# Clothahump, and others... **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 2, 2016, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465 "2016-11-02T18:35:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 21
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2016, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/401 "2016-11-13T00:52:13Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Fuck off. Care to address an actual veteran who disagrees with you? Or are you comfortable without any information from those who might actually know? ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2016, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/402 "2016-11-13T01:24:09Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Fuck off. YOU fuck off. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2016, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/403 "2016-11-13T01:27:03Z")
Clothy, the fact your vote is worth as much as mine gives me pause when considering democracy as an ideal method. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2016, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/404 "2016-11-13T01:32:49Z")
> [@D\_Odds](#): > > Anyone who is so stupid to believe that one party has that much more corrupt clout over the other party, then I have a bridge in Brooklyn I’d like to sell you. That goes both ways. I would hope so. I can’t even imagine a bridge that _doesn’t_ go both ways. How would that even work? OTOH, if you could _make_ it work, you could sell the bridge _twice_! That would be cool. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2016, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/405 "2016-11-13T01:33:50Z")
I do appreciate Clothahump having the honesty to say flat out, in my query thread in Elections, that he thinks homosexuality and transgenderism are mental illnesses. I just hope they don’t influence his undoubtedly rare contact with such people. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2016, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/406 "2016-11-13T01:42:40Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > The reason he’s pissed is his previous world was destroyed in a catastrophe that he tried to prevent. > > He needed the services of an engineer, something that did not exist in his world. He cast a spell, searching other planes of existence for an engineer. > > Unfortunately, he reeled in a janitor (whose job title was "Sanitation Engineer). Lacking the strength to cast again, he barely escaped to our world where he lives out his life consumed in bitterness. > > And that’s why he hates “political correctness”. > > P.S. The janitor, who was an aspiring rock singer, died. That would explain quite a lot about the history of the _Summon Perfect Warlord_ spell in [Erfworld.](http://archives.erfworld.com/Book%201/1) ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2016, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/407 "2016-11-13T01:49:50Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Oooh, acknowledgement… now for the follow-up question: > > Was it a disaster when Reagan and Bush43 doubled the national debt in their 8 years? I hate to bring a dose of reality to a pit thread…buttttt there is big difference in doubling or tripling something depending on what the starting number was. 1 trillion to 2 trillion is one thing. 10 trillion to 20 trillion is another. Random example numbers used. ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2016, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/408 "2016-11-13T03:12:41Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > The reason he’s pissed is his previous world was destroyed in a catastrophe that he tried to prevent. > > He needed the services of an engineer, something that did not exist in his world. He cast a spell, searching other planes of existence for an engineer. > > Unfortunately, he reeled in a janitor (whose job title was "Sanitation Engineer). Lacking the strength to cast again, he barely escaped to our world where he lives out his life consumed in bitterness. > > And that’s why he hates “political correctness”. > > P.S. The janitor, who was an aspiring rock singer, died. Damn. What was that turtle`s name? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2016, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/409 "2016-11-13T04:10:01Z")
> [@billfish678](#): > > I hate to bring a dose of reality to a pit thread…buttttt there is big difference in doubling or tripling something depending on what the starting number was. > > 1 trillion to 2 trillion is one thing. 10 trillion to 20 trillion is another. > > Random example numbers used. The “disaster” criteria Clothahump described was specifically that the debt doubled, not that it increased by X amount. If he cares to rethink his position, he’s free to do so. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2016, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/410 "2016-11-13T16:08:50Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > The “disaster” criteria Clothahump described was specifically that the debt doubled, not that it increased by X amount. > > If he cares to rethink his position, he’s free to do so. Nitpick: to **rethink** a position implies that thinking was involved in arriving at the position in the first place. So, while he’s _free_ to do so, whether he’s _capable_ of doing so is another matter entirely. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2016, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/411 "2016-11-13T16:16:30Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Care to address an actual veteran who disagrees with you? Or are you comfortable without any information from those who might actually know? I’m a Veteran too. I 'd also like some answers from all these “Ted Nugent” types out there. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2016, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/412 "2016-11-13T16:21:13Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > So, over a year after Obama’s election and months after ACA was drafted, Obama shut down some of McCain’s whining. That does nothing to support your erroneous belief that the Democratic leadership told the Republicans to go away from the very beginning. It simply means that when the Republicans continued their \*\*obstructionist policies for over a year \*\*after the inauguration, Obama finally told them to pull up their big boy pants and stop whining. > > If your little video had been shot in february 2009, you would have had a point. **It was not and you do not.** > > Only **after months of refusing to work with** the Democrats. > It was not the chairman of the DNC that was forced by his members to [make a public apology to Limbaugh for claiming that Limbaugh was not the head of the Republican Party](http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/03/02/rnc-chairman-apologizes-to-limbaugh-in-flap-over-his-role/). Limbaugh does not set policy, but his nonsense has had a frequent effect on causing Republican politicians (who do set policy) to fall in line behind his idiotic rhetoric. > > No. the other amendments that came out of Dodd’s committee and the other portions of the ACA mentioned in the link provided by Fear Itself. I remembered “more than 150,” but there were 161. > > No, **you are writing shit to re-write history**. Lie, rewrite history, never be responsible for anything. Nothing ever changes. That’s why I get sick of this shit and disappear so often. It never fucking stops. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2016, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/413 "2016-11-13T16:24:09Z")
> [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](#): > > Obamacare is a fucking disaster. It’s amazing how no one seems to remember “ **If you like your plan, you can keep your plan** ” or how “Obamacare would bend the cost curve downwards and save the average American family $2,500 a year”-- both of which were outright lies and acknowledged as lies. You pay more for less, and many (most?) exchanges are failing if they haven’t already. At this point, you have to be extremely partisan to even bother defending it. I liked my plan, and guess what, fucknuts, I KEPT IT. I’m in a health plan with Kaiser. Have been for years. I KEPT IT. My rates stayed the same too. Lie some more. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2016, 5:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/414 "2016-11-14T05:17:25Z")
If you find yourself frequently accusing the people around you of lying, perhaps some self re-evaluation is in order. ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2016, 5:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/415 "2016-11-14T05:59:16Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > Because you’re a stupid child and you live in a fantasy world. I can understand that Clothalump might be wishing himself elsewhere right now. Yes, Trump won nationally. [Locally:](https://www.texastribune.org/2016/11/11/harris-county-turned-blue/) > [@](#): > > Ending a streak of thin electoral margins, Harris County — the biggest battleground in ruby red Texas with a population larger than 25 other states — turned solidly blue on Tuesday with the largest presidential margin of victory in more than a decade. > > The blue wave was apparent up and down the ballot on a banner night for the county’s Democrats. > > They swept up every single countywide seat, including the district attorney and sheriff’s offices. They flipped a Texas House district in Pasadena. And with a presidential fight at the top of the ticket, Democrats shored up their lead in the fight for the typically purple county with Hillary Clinton beating Donald Trump by more than 160,000 votes — up from the 971 votes with which Obama took the county in 2012… > > In emails to supporters, prominent local conservatives called it “the worst defeat for Republicans” in the 71-year history of the county’s Republican party. Citing losses in Dallas and Houston, Abbott in a Thursday email to supporters said “the threats to the Lone Star State remain very real.” And discussing a need to focus on down-ballot races after tough losses, Republican Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick, whose son lost his judgeship in Harris, said Republicans must continue reaching out to Hispanic voters. Anthony Bourdain’s latest _Parts Unknown_ t[ook him to Houston](http://www.eater.com/2016/10/30/13456452/anthony-bourdain-parts-unknown-houston-recap). He seemed surprised to really enjoy his visit. The main reason–and a reason for the electoral changes? _Diversity!_ ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2016, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/416 "2016-11-14T22:36:18Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > Clothy, the fact your vote is worth as much as mine gives me pause when considering democracy as an ideal method. Let me educate you once again, BPC - we do not live in a democracy. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2016, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/417 "2016-11-14T22:39:02Z")
So, Clothahump, doubling the debt…? Only a disaster if a Democrat’s in the White House? For that matter, since Congress controls spending, does it even _matter_ who’s in the White House? ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2016, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/418 "2016-11-15T00:40:46Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > So, Clothahump, doubling the debt…? Only a disaster if a Democrat’s in the White House? > > For that matter, since Congress controls spending, does it even _matter_ who’s in the White House? The Prez has to sign off on it. If Congress doesn’t have the headcount to override a veto, he can send the budget back with suggested cuts. This is why the President should have line item veto authority. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2016, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/419 "2016-11-15T00:43:09Z")
And since everyone who voted for Trump seems fine with Steve Bannon and his role in the administration, I think that just proves the point, doesn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2016, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/420 "2016-11-15T01:03:49Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > The Prez has to sign off on it. If Congress doesn’t have the headcount to override a veto, he can send the budget back with suggested cuts. > > This is why the President should have line item veto authority. Very insightful, but it ducks the question again. Was it a disaster when it happened under Reagan and Bush43? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465.md?page=20) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465.md?page=22)