# Clothahump, and others... **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 2, 2016, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465 "2016-11-02T18:35:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 22
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2016, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/421 "2016-11-15T03:07:31Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > The Prez has to sign off on it. If Congress doesn’t have the headcount to override a veto, he can send the budget back with suggested cuts. > > This is why the President should have line item veto authority. You should probably avoid talking out your ass. The President (mostly his team) submits the budget proposal for the upcoming FY (starting in the 3rd quarter) to Congress. The House reviews it and tinkers with it, then passes it over to the Senate, which does the same. Then they go to reconciliation and ultimately both houses of Congress pass the HJR. The president _cannot veto a JR_, so _the line item veto would accomplish nothing_. Passing the budget through Congress amounts to allocation of funds. Once that is done, the President (mostly the executive departments and agencies) are at liberty to disperse the allocated funds. They are not _required_ to do so, as far as I can tell. If line 6129 is $1million for research into kittens’ reactions to _Rule 34 Kittehs_, the department that would handle that (Education?) may decide that only $100,000 is needed to support that project, but I do not believe that they are permitted to divert the remaining $900,000 to some other pet project (without some clever chicanery). In other words, [ul] [li]the President tells congress, “_I need this much_”[/li][li]Congress tells the President, “_you can have_ this _much_”[/li][li]the President hands what he is given, limited by the bracketing of the HJR[/li][/ul] He can selectively hand out less, if it seems appropriate and will not piss off important members of Congress too badly. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2016, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/422 "2016-11-15T03:33:05Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > You should probably avoid talking out your ass. > > The President (mostly his team) submits the budget proposal for the upcoming FY (starting in the 3rd quarter) to Congress. The House reviews it and tinkers with it, then passes it over to the Senate, which does the same. Then they go to reconciliation and ultimately both houses of Congress pass the HJR. The president _cannot veto a JR_, so _the line item veto would accomplish nothing_. You should follow your own advice. > [@](#): > > In the United States Congress, a joint resolution is a legislative measure that requires approval by the Senate and the House and is **presented to the President for his approval or disapproval.** However, joint resolutions used to propose amendments to the United States Constitution do not require the approval of the President. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2016, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/423 "2016-11-15T04:27:54Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > This is why the President should have line item veto authority. Line item veto was found to be unconstitutional. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2016, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/424 "2016-11-15T14:30:25Z")
Why do you hate the Constitution, Clothy? ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2016, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/425 "2016-11-15T15:38:48Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Let me educate you once again, BPC - we do not live in a democracy. Oh God, are you actually trotting out the silly - and entirely stupid - theory that the United States isn’t a democracy because it’s a republic? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2016, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/426 "2016-11-15T16:08:03Z")
It’s a democratic republic. So it’s a [del]floor wax AND a dessert topping[/del] democracy AND a republic. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2016, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/427 "2016-11-15T16:25:27Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > It’s a democratic republic. So it’s a [del]floor wax AND a dessert topping[/del] democracy AND a republic. Unlike the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea, which is actually none of those first 3 words. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2016, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/428 "2016-11-15T16:40:32Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > Oh God, are you actually trotting out the silly - and entirely stupid - theory that the United States isn’t a democracy because it’s a republic? Well, it beats his usual logical argument of “fuck off”. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2016, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/429 "2016-11-15T16:43:54Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > I’m a Veteran too. I 'd also like some answers from all these “Ted Nugent” types out there. I, for one, am not a Veteran. I do, however, believe that the words “Veteran” and “Ted Nugent” do not belong anywhere near each other. “Ted Nugent” and “shit yer pants” are a nice fit. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 7:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/430 "2016-11-16T07:25:41Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > I, for one, am not a Veteran. I do, however, believe that the words “Veteran” and “Ted Nugent” do not belong anywhere near each other. “Ted Nugent” and “shit yer pants” are a nice fit. Absolutely. Don’t get me started on THAT son of a bitch. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2016, 1:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/431 "2016-11-16T13:02:49Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > Absolutely. Don’t get me started on THAT son of a bitch. > [@bobot](#): > > I, for one, am not a Veteran. I do, however, believe that the words “Veteran” and “Ted Nugent” do not belong anywhere near each other. “Ted Nugent” and “shit yer pants” are a nice fit. How about “Ted Nugent had the shit beaten out of him by veterans.?” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465.md?page=21)