# Clothahump, and others... **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 2, 2016, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465 "2016-11-02T18:35:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2016, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/41 "2016-11-03T00:28:24Z")
I am not a law talkin’ guy by any means, but I’m fairly certain to be a felon, one must first be convicted of a felony. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2016, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/42 "2016-11-03T00:30:17Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Oh, wow - I got pitted. It’s been a while, and it’s weak sauce like the rest. > > Disasters in the last 8 years? Have you been living under a rock? Just to start with, do the words Benghazi and Obamacare ring a bell of any kind with you? How about the fact that it took us over 200 years to run up a debt of over 10 trillion dollars, and Obama nearly doubled that in only 8 years? > > As far as Hillary’s felonies - did you not listen to, or read, the statement from the FBI Director where he pointed out that Hillary committed at least 110 felonies with her email server? Read it for yourself, highlighting mine. > But she got a walk on it because she’s the ghodess Hillary and all that. Hopefully, with the re-opening of the investigation, there’s still a chance she’ll go down in flames. > > Look, I know you guys would rather close your eyes to reality and simply whine about the fact that I don’t. I don’t care. Pit me all you want, it won’t change the fact that Hillary is a felon and Obama is a fuckup. Emails that were not marked as being classified. At any rate, he said that what she did was not criminal, she had not tried to sell or deliberately turn over materials to unauthorized persons. Eight Benghazi investigations, all led by Republicans who were aching to pin something on her, turned up _nothing._ Millions have health insurance that didn’t before. Yes, there are problems that need fixing. That’s no reason to pull the rug out without something to take it’s place. So far, all I see is repeal with no replacement in sight. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2016, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/43 "2016-11-03T00:30:48Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > I am not a law talkin’ guy by any means, but I’m fairly certain to be a felon, one must first be convicted of a felony. The rules are looser in Wet Dreamland. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2016, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/44 "2016-11-03T00:31:33Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > How many times, give or take, would you say you’ve been kicked in the head over the course of your martial arts career? Probably none. Do you really think he’d compete against someone who can reach his head? ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2016, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/45 "2016-11-03T00:40:25Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Millions have health insurance that didn’t before. Yes, there are problems that need fixing. That’s no reason to pull the rug out without something to take it’s place. > So far, all I see is repeal with no replacement in sight. I believe the Trump plan is to repeal it, and replace it with “pay for healthcare yourself, you bunch of losers”. I especially like how **Clothahump** says that Benghazi was a disaster for the country. I guess the 13 embassy attacks and 60 deaths under Bush were just a minor inconvenience though. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2016, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/46 "2016-11-03T00:43:20Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Disasters in the last 8 years? Have you been living under a rock? Just to start with, do the words Benghazi and Obamacare ring a bell of any kind with you? How about the fact that it took us over 200 years to run up a debt of over 10 trillion dollars, and Obama nearly doubled that in only 8 years? Is this one of your goalposts for a disastrous presidency - the doubling of the National Debt over two terms of office? I’d just like to be sure what standards are in place and once set, they be applied fairly. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2016, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/47 "2016-11-03T00:44:56Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > I believe the Trump plan is to repeal it, and replace it with “pay for healthcare yourself, you bunch of losers”. > I especially like how **Clothahump** says that Benghazi was a disaster for the country. I guess the 13 embassy attacks and 60 deaths under Bush were just a minor inconvenience though. Don’t forget how Reagan was hounded to his dying day for the deaths of 241 Marines. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2016, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/48 "2016-11-03T00:46:57Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > I believe the Trump plan is to repeal it, and replace it with “pay for healthcare yourself, you bunch of losers”. > I especially like how **Clothahump** says that Benghazi was a disaster for the country. I guess the 13 embassy attacks and 60 deaths under Bush were just a minor inconvenience though. They never had a catchy slur, like the Hag of Benghazi. Nobody’s blood is riled by “the Doofus of Karachi.” ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2016, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/49 "2016-11-03T00:50:48Z")
If Benghazi rises to the level of national catastrophe, what percentage of presidents haven’t had a catastrophe in their terms? ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2016, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/50 "2016-11-03T00:51:24Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > I especially like how **Clothahump** says that Benghazi was a disaster for the country. I guess the 13 embassy attacks and 60 deaths under Bush were just a minor inconvenience though. But of course. After all, Bush was a Republican. **Clothy** is also an idiot. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2016, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/51 "2016-11-03T00:54:01Z")
[Look at this.](http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/apr/09/rand-paul/rand-paul-debt-has-tripled-bush-took-office/) _Bush_ doubled the national debt. Obama has only managed 1.7 times (as of April 2015 when this article was written) > [@](#): > > When Bush’s term started Jan. 20, 2001, the gross federal debt was $5.73 trillion. At the end of his term, Jan. 20, 2009, the gross federal debt was $10.63 trillion. This means that the debt just about doubled under Bush. > > The gross federal debt under Obama – as of April 7, 2015 – is $18.15 trillion. Some context. > [@](#): > > For example, the debt has increased so dramatically in Obama’s term – particularly in the first couple years – largely due to the recession, which unfolded before Obama took office, said Neil Buchanan, an expert in law, economics and the national debt at George Washington University Law School. > > “The gross debt increase in 2009 was huge, because of the decreased tax revenues and increased benefit payments caused by the Great Recession,” he said. > > Two other large contributors to debt since 2009 are the government’s continued borrowing to fund military operations in the Middle East and increasing costs of the health system, said Linda Bilmes, an expert in national budgetary issues at Harvard University. Both of these were a result of previous administrative policies and external factors. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2016, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/52 "2016-11-03T00:57:06Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > How many times, give or take, would you say you’ve been kicked in the head over the course of your martial arts career? Bacon! No, Tuesday. What was the question? ---
**Author:** ![Baker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bb73d2/32.png) [@Baker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baker)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2016, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/53 "2016-11-03T01:05:06Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > #8 He turned me into a newt! Not a zucchini? Thanks Death Tongue! ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2016, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/54 "2016-11-03T01:06:29Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > As far as Hillary’s felonies - did you not listen to, or read, the statement from the FBI Director where he pointed out that Hillary committed at least 110 felonies with her email server? Read it for yourself, highlighting mine. Read more carefully. It would only have been a felony if the mishandling was intentional or grossly negligent. The mere presence of the 110 was not a felony. Detail is _so_ important, except when you don’t want to know, right **Clothy**? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2016, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/55 "2016-11-03T01:34:18Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Just to start with, do the words Benghazi and Obamacare ring a bell of any kind with you? Four people killed is a disaster? Then I guess every president ever has had dozens of disasters – Obama having far, far fewer than most. Obama has been nigh-infinitely less disastrous than Bush, who got thousands of Americans killed for nothing, by this measure. As far as Obamacare, millions of Americans have health coverage that didn’t before. That’s a great thing for America – America is stronger and better because of it. It’s not a perfect bill, and could be improved to help control costs, but Republicans have blocked all attempts to do that. > [@](#): > > How about the fact that it took us over 200 years to run up a debt of over 10 trillion dollars, and Obama nearly doubled that in only 8 years? Unlike any recent Republican president, Obama lowered the deficit almost every year. That’s kind of rule since 1980 – Republican presidents greatly increase the deficit, and Democrats reduce it. Republicans aren’t fiscally responsible, and Democrats are, based on the last handful of presidencies. > [@](#): > > As far as Hillary’s felonies - did you not listen to, or read, the statement from the FBI Director where he pointed out that Hillary committed at least 110 felonies with her email server? Read it for yourself, highlighting mine. Comey did not say that she committed any felonies. Mishandling classified information is unfortunately very common, and never prosecuted unless done purposefully for treason or profit. In my military and civilian-military career, I’ve known dozens or even hundreds of people who made the same mistakes Hillary did, and none of them were prosecuted. Not a single one. > [@](#): > > Look, I know you guys would rather close your eyes to reality and simply whine about the fact that I don’t. I don’t care. Pit me all you want, it won’t change the fact that Hillary is a felon and Obama is a fuckup. The facts don’t support your claims. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2016, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/56 "2016-11-03T02:05:24Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > The facts don’t support your claims. Oooohhh, someone’s aiming to get told to fuck off. Seriously, though; as long I’ve been aware of his presence here, **Clothahump** has always behaved as though every single silly thing he says is self-evident, and seems to have a pathological aversion to supporting his opinions with factual argument. Kudos to the OP for (for once) getting him to at least attempt to justify his bullshit, as weak a justification as it may be. Now, back to something worthwhile (Cubs-Indians). ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2016, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/57 "2016-11-03T02:17:04Z")
One might think, might one, that Clothy would relish the opportunity to tell the heathens where exactly we have the wrong end of the stick. Instead, he seems to just resort to childish attacks and ridiculous statements. I mean, you’d expect - nay hope - for actual cogent arguments. But one never knows, do one? ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2016, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/58 "2016-11-03T02:17:29Z")
It ain’t over 'til the fat lady sings, but in the bottom of the 6th I hear her warming up. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2016, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/59 "2016-11-03T02:20:44Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > It ain’t over 'til the fat lady sings, but in the bottom of the 6th I hear her warming up. Actually, it’s the top of the sixth and the Cubs lead, 6-3. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2016, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/60 "2016-11-03T02:24:01Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > Oooohhh, someone’s aiming to get told to fuck off. > > Seriously, though; as long I’ve been aware of his presence here, **Clothahump** has always behaved as though every single silly thing he says is self-evident, and seems to have a pathological aversion to supporting his opinions with factual argument. Kudos to the OP for (for once) getting him to at least attempt to justify his bullshit, as weak a justification as it may be. Have you ever seen him try to explain why he’s an atheist? It’s an embarrassingly pathetic exercise, _and I say that as an atheist._ Even when he reaches a correct (by my lights) conclusion, it’s largely by accident. I don’t think he’s actually capable of reasoning his way through an argument. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465.md?page=4)