# Clothahump, and others... **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 2, 2016, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465 "2016-11-02T18:35:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/121 "2016-11-04T14:25:34Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Is this one of your goalposts for a disastrous presidency - the doubling of the National Debt over two terms of office? Do you consider it a sign of success? ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/122 "2016-11-04T14:33:19Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > You would be incorrect. A felon is one who commits a felony. Nowhere in that definition does it say anything about conviction. > > felon 1 > [fel-uh n] > Spell Syllables > Examples Word Origin > See more synonyms on [Thesaurus.com](http://Thesaurus.com) > noun > 1. > Law. a person who has committed a felony. Ah, you wish to live in a society of guilty until… no just guilty. How well do you think that’ll work out? ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/123 "2016-11-04T14:34:01Z")
> [@Princhester](#): > > Read more carefully. It would only have been a felony if the mishandling was intentional or grossly negligent. The mere presence of the 110 was not a felony. > > Detail is _so_ important, except when you don’t want to know, right **Clothy**? Sigh. Prin, let me try to explain it to you. I’ll type real slow, so you can follow along without moving your lips too much. She kept them on an unsecure server. That was intentional, because she was trying to avoid FOIA disclosure. It was also grossly negligent, because she opened that confidential information up to the world. Therefore, each one of those messages is a separate offense. Therefore, 110 felonies committed. Let’s repeat this: **She kept them on an unsecure server.** What part of that is so damn difficult to understand? If you don’t think that is a serious issue, then you are part of the problem, not part of the solution. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/124 "2016-11-04T14:35:32Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Do you consider it a sign of success? Of course not. Reagan tripled the debt. Bush doubled the debt. Obama hasn’t quite reached _that_ level of success yet. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/125 "2016-11-04T14:37:22Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Do you consider it a sign of success? [Link](https://www.thebalance.com/us-debt-by-president-by-dollar-and-percent-3306296) Then Bush 43 was a disaster > [@](#): > > Added $5.849 trillion, a 101% increase to the $5.8 trillion debt level at the end of Clinton’s last budget, FY 2001. Reagan was a disaster > [@](#): > > Ronald Reagan: Added $1.86 trillion, 186% increase in the $998 billion debt level at the end of Carter’s last budget, FY 1981. Obama was not a disaster > [@](#): > > Barack Obama: Added $7.917 trillion, a 68% increase in the $11.657 trillion debt level attributable to President Bush by the end of his last budget, FY 2009. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/126 "2016-11-04T14:38:22Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Sigh. Prin, let me try to explain it to you. I’ll type real slow, so you can follow along without moving your lips too much. > > She kept them on an unsecure server. That was intentional, because she was trying to avoid FOIA disclosure. It was also grossly negligent, because she opened that confidential information up to the world. Therefore, each one of those messages is a separate offense. Therefore, 110 felonies committed. > > Let’s repeat this: **She kept them on an unsecure server.** What part of that is so damn difficult to understand? If you don’t think that is a serious issue, then you are part of the problem, not part of the solution. Then why did Comey decline to recommend prosecution? ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/127 "2016-11-04T14:39:04Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > One does know, one does. **Clothahump** is nothing if not perfectly predictable. > > Arguing with **Clothahump** is like trying to argue with a parrot. The only reasonable course is ridicule. Arguing with liberals is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter how good a chess player you are, the pigeon will simply strut around, knock over the pieces, then shit on the chessboard and flap off. You’re a perfect example, **Colibri.** Rather than address the issues I’ve pointed out, you’d rather whine about the fact that _I_ brought them up. Perhaps one of these days, you might learn that ad hominem responses are an open admission that you can’t refute what was said originally. So I guess I should thank you for your open admission that I was correct. ---
**Author:** ![Randolph](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Randolph](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Randolph)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/128 "2016-11-04T14:39:56Z")
Somehow the conservative crew here has gradually morphed into some kind of special-needs superhero team in my head. **Clothahump** is their muscle. **DerekMichaels00** is their intern. Nobody is their brains. (They do have a lawyer, though…) ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/129 "2016-11-04T14:41:16Z")
> [@Randolph](#): > > Nobody is their brains. Nobody undoubtedly likes to poke people’s eyes out, tho. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/130 "2016-11-04T14:42:30Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Have you ever seen him try to explain why he’s an atheist? It’s an embarrassingly pathetic exercise, _and I say that as an atheist._ Even when he reaches a correct (by my lights) conclusion, it’s largely by accident. I don’t think he’s actually capable of reasoning his way through an argument. Miller, newsflash for you, bro. I have never tried to explain that I am an atheist, because I’m not. I’m agnostic. Nice try, though. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/131 "2016-11-04T14:45:29Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Miller, newsflash for you, bro. I have never tried to explain that I am an atheist, because I’m not. I’m agnostic. > > Nice try, though. Fence-sitter. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/132 "2016-11-04T14:45:45Z")
> [@Penfeather](#): > > [To be fair, he’s also been hit in the head with sticks.](http://www.nouilles.info/illustrations/sdmb_portraits/6642.jpg) Your eyes must be better than mine. I was there when that picture was taken, you weren’t. Can you please point out to me where I am being hit in the head with a stick? You can’t? Then fuck off. I cannot begin to tell you how tiresome you bozos get with your petty, childish bullshit like this. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/133 "2016-11-04T14:51:18Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > You’re a perfect example, **Colibri.** Rather than address the issues I’ve pointed out,… You mean like you’re addressing deficits and fiscal responsibility? ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/134 "2016-11-04T14:54:34Z")
> [@](#): > > Originally Posted by Clothahump > Sigh. Prin, let me try to explain it to you. I’ll type real slow, so you can follow along without moving your lips too much. > > She kept them on an unsecure server. That was intentional, because she was trying to avoid FOIA disclosure. It was also grossly negligent, because she opened that confidential information up to the world. Therefore, each one of those messages is a separate offense. Therefore, 110 felonies committed. > > Let’s repeat this: She kept them on an unsecure server. What part of that is so damn difficult to understand? If you don’t think that is a serious issue, then you are part of the problem, not part of the solution. All servers are unsecured to one degree or another. And remember, the real secret stuff is on a totally independent system run by the Department of State. If you’re reading the highly confidential stuff all day at work, an email that comes through someone’s yahoo account complaining about the New York Times article on our secret drone activities might not hit you as classified, although it technically would be. And lastly, assuming the worst about this conduct, how would it effect her presidency? She’s not going to have a home server if she’s in the White House. She is going to work towards programs and policies I favor 1000 times more than those of Mr. Trump, so even if I were troubled by this server issue, she’d have my vote. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/135 "2016-11-04T14:55:52Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Your eyes must be better than mine. I was there when that picture was taken, you weren’t. **Can you please point out to me where I am being hit in the head with a stick?** > > You can’t? Then fuck off. I cannot begin to tell you how tiresome you bozos get with your petty, childish bullshit like this. You don’t remember? That’s a sign of concussion. You wouldn’t know that since [you object to first-aid training.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13708574&postcount=1) ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/136 "2016-11-04T15:01:04Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Sigh. Prin, let me try to explain it to you. I’ll type real slow, so you can follow along without moving your lips too much. > > She kept them on an unsecure server. That was intentional, because she was trying to avoid FOIA disclosure. It was also grossly negligent, because she opened that confidential information up to the world. Therefore, each one of those messages is a separate offense. Therefore, 110 felonies committed. > > Let’s repeat this: **She kept them on an unsecure server.** What part of that is so damn difficult to understand? If you don’t think that is a serious issue, then you are part of the problem, not part of the solution. Okay, now let me explain this to you using a larger font and shorter words. Not accused of felony. Not indicted. Not convicted. Because no evidence of intent of treason. You fucking putz. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/137 "2016-11-04T15:04:07Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Your eyes must be better than mine. I was there when that picture was taken, you weren’t. Can you please point out to me where I am being hit in the head with a stick? > > You can’t? Then fuck off. I cannot begin to tell you how tiresome you bozos get with your petty, childish bullshit like this. It is clear that you are just being willfully obtuse here. In context (and I had 3 years of training in tea-kwan-do) they are talking about what can happen in regular training. If you are telling us that a person being trained in martial arts has not ever been hit on the head (being sticks or punches or kicks) the conclusion I get is that you either are just a big liar and you only posed for the nice pictures, or more likely you did also trained people **but they and you really never learned anything outside kicking people in your pajamas.**. 🙂 I say that because my master did teach me that while the training was not usually dangerous it had some risks while learning how to fall and when training how to react when confronting an attacker, and I learned also how more trained students can be jerks too and even with the occasional hits (many not made on purpose by the opponents, but mistakes made in training) one learned also that we need to persevere. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/138 "2016-11-04T15:17:49Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > You would be incorrect. A felon is one who commits a felony. Nowhere in that definition does it say anything about conviction. > > felon 1 > [fel-uh n] > Spell Syllables > Examples Word Origin > See more synonyms on [Thesaurus.com](http://Thesaurus.com) > noun > 1. > Law. a person who has committed a felony. So all it takes to make her a felon is for you to say so? In that case, you are now officially a blithering idiot. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/139 "2016-11-04T15:24:31Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Do you consider it a sign of success? It’s meaningless as a metric for success unless you drill down to _why_ the debt increased. In the case of the last eight years the primary drivers were: 1. Two huge, very expensive wars 2. Decreased revenues due to the Great Recession 3. Decreased revenues due to long-term tax cuts 4. The stimulus package. Given that the first three were inherited from the previous administration there’s a limit to how much of that you can blame Obama for. He did sign off on extending the tax cuts but then those not suffering from brain damage may recall whose idea that was and how far they were willing to harm the country to achieve it. And the stimulus is still generally seen as having been a good idea. Plus he has reduced the deficit year-on-year in the last few years. Now, if he’d inherited a budget surplus and then started two wars (off the books, no less) AND cut taxes despite the need to pay for increased spending AND gone on about how deficits didn’t matter, you might have reason to condemn him. But he didn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Wolf333](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolf333/32/3460_2.png) [@Wolf333](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wolf333)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/140 "2016-11-04T15:25:38Z")
> [@Randolph](#): > > Somehow the conservative crew here has gradually morphed into some kind of special-needs superhero team in my head. **Clothahump** is their muscle. **DerekMichaels00** is their intern. Nobody is their brains. (They do have a lawyer, though…) Doorhinge is the sphincter. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465.md?page=8)