# Clothahump, and others... **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 2, 2016, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465 "2016-11-02T18:35:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/141 "2016-11-04T15:38:44Z")
Clothahump, I wonder if you’d be so good to address a couple of points… since you are obviously very, VERY concerned with the increase to the debt under Obama, as well as embassy security. As has been pointed out, > [@](#): > > Bush added $5.849 trillion, a \*\*101% increase \*\*to the $5.8 trillion debt level at the end of Clinton’s last budget, FY 2001. > > Ronald Reagan added $1.86 trillion, \*\*a 186% increase \*\*in the $998 billion debt level at the end of Carter’s last budget, FY 1981. > > However, > Barack Obama added $7.917 trillion, \*\*a 68% increase \*\*in the $11.657 trillion debt level attributable to President Bush by the end of his last budget, FY 2009. So I expect you will admit now that Obama’s increase to the debt was not A DISASTER! Also, it has been pointed out that under Bush, there were 13 attacks on embassies and 60 deaths. So I’m sure you will admit now that Benghazi was not A DISASTER! for the country. Alternatively, you could tell me to fuck off, since this seems to be your go-to strategy. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/142 "2016-11-04T15:48:11Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Kim Kardashian occurred entirely during his administration. > > He made us all get gay abortions. > > The two worst years in terms of number of large natural disasters occurred during his administration (probably God being mad at the gay abortions). > > The Republicans nominated Trump during his administration. > > The Democrats nominated Hillary during his administration. > > The cubs won the world series. > > Oh and he’s black. Obama’s biggest crime is the one he can’t talk his way out of and no one else can explain away either: Being President while black. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/143 "2016-11-04T15:52:20Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Obama’s biggest crime is the one he can’t talk his way out of and no one else can explain away either: Being President while black. I blame his parents on the latter. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/144 "2016-11-04T15:54:01Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > I blame his parents on the latter. Well, one of them at least. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/145 "2016-11-04T15:56:45Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Oh, how cutesy-poo. How many times, give or take, would you say your mother dropped you on your head while you were a child? The difference is that you’re still getting kicked in the head while Vinyl’s mom, presumably, has stopping picking him up and dropping him ---
**Author:** ![bump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7c8e57/32.png) [@bump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bump)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/146 "2016-11-04T16:37:56Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > So… DON’T grab it by the cloaca? Am I the only one who read that in Dr. Zoidberg’s voice? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/147 "2016-11-04T16:46:30Z")
Does anyone find this ok? I think it is dickish and maybe some sort of pathological. > [@Talk Me Off the Ledge](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/talk-me-off-the-ledge/770408/117): > > > [@Talk Me Off the Ledge](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/talk-me-off-the-ledge/770408/1): > > > > OK, I admit it. I am starting to freak a little bit… really worrying me that somehow he’s going to pull it off… > > > > Tell me it won’t happen- please… > > It’s going to happen… **OldOlds** is on the ledge and fuckwit is leaning out the window telling him he ought to jump. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/148 "2016-11-04T16:48:18Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Do you consider it a sign of success? Let’s assume I have no opinion on whether or not it is disastrous. You said it WAS disastrous - I’m asking if it would be a disastrous indicator for _any_ presidency. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/149 "2016-11-04T17:03:28Z")
> [@YogSothoth](#): > > The difference is that you’re still getting kicked in the head while Vinyl’s mom, presumably, has stopping picking him up and dropping him It stopped by the time I outweighed her. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/150 "2016-11-04T17:52:25Z")
I’m assuming that Clothy is actually pretty good at martial arts. If so, that does support my longstanding belief that you should dump your lowest stat in Intelligence when making a D&D fighter. ---
**Author:** ![BeeGee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b5a626/32.png) [@BeeGee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeeGee)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/151 "2016-11-04T18:01:15Z")
[QUOTE=Finagle;19747535 I’m not sure what kind of optics you need to be wearing in order to see the US in 2016 as an actual hellhole, rather than a fairly successful work in progress that could use considerable work on the employment and healthcare fronts.[/QUOTE] You can buy them on Alex Jones website. $49.95 plus shipping to your secret bunker. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/152 "2016-11-04T18:05:37Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > I’m assuming that Clothy is actually pretty good at martial arts. If so, that does support my longstanding belief that you should dump your lowest stat in Intelligence when making a D&D fighter. Those who can’t do, teach. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/153 "2016-11-04T18:16:54Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > I’m assuming that Clothy is actually pretty good at martial arts. If so, that does support my longstanding belief that you should dump your lowest stat in Intelligence when making a D&D fighter. Martial Artists are D&D Monks, but Int is still a dump stat for them. ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/154 "2016-11-04T18:47:16Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > All servers are unsecured to one degree or another. And remember, **the real secret stuff is on a totally independent system run by the Department of State**. If you’re reading the highly confidential stuff all day at work, an email that comes through someone’s yahoo account complaining about the New York Times article on our secret drone activities might not hit you as classified, although it technically would be… [My emphasis] Quoted for motherfuckin’ truth. This is the fundamental factual error that, I believe, underpins every right-wing outrage about Clinton’s email: they think she exclusively communicated by emails on her private server, which meant that all of her confidential communications were run through an unsecure email service. That is NOT true. There are special means by which secret information is communicated. As noted by **Procrustus** , the types of “classified” materials that ended up being found on the server were things like newspaper articles (because over-classification is a very serious and real problem in our government), and NOT the good stuff, like military targets or counter-intelligence. Which is why it’s a tempest in a teapot, but the low-information Right is well and truly outraged. ---
**Author:** ![aldiboronti](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc348/32.png) [@aldiboronti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aldiboronti)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/155 "2016-11-04T19:00:07Z")
I bear no malice to Obama. In my eyes he was an affable and intelligent President. Foreign policy was not however his strong suit. After 8 years in office Russia is now a powerful player in the Middle East and the alliance of Russia, Iran, Shi’ite Syria and Iraq, along with Hezbollah looks to be dictating affairs in that region for the foreseeable future. Even Israel is cozying up to Putin, with Israeli-American relations in the worst state they’ve been in for a long, long time. Not all of this is Obama’s fault but some of it can certainly be laid at his door. You have to look pretty hard for any foreign policy successes in his administration. At least Hillary will quickly mend fences with Israel and I feel she will be a far more capable President than Obama when it comes to foreign policy (although her campaign bluster about no-fly zones and the possibility of shooting Russian planes out of the sky scares the hell out of me. I trust that she’ll come to her senses when she’s in the Oval Office.) ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/156 "2016-11-04T19:08:45Z")
Ending two wars he didn’t start, opening Cuba, treaty with Iran… Those are just a couple of things off the top of my head. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/157 "2016-11-04T19:34:47Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > I bear no malice to Obama. In my eyes he was an affable and intelligent President. Foreign policy was not however his strong suit. After 8 years in office Russia is now a powerful player in the Middle East and the alliance of Russia, Iran, Shi’ite Syria and Iraq, along with Hezbollah looks to be dictating affairs in that region for the foreseeable future. Even Israel is cozying up to Putin, with Israeli-American relations in the worst state they’ve been in for a long, long time. > > Not all of this is Obama’s fault but some of it can certainly be laid at his door. You have to look pretty hard for any foreign policy successes in his administration. Obviously, allowing Russia to become a powerful player in the ME is a bad idea. After all, they are half a globe away from the Middle East, while the US is right next door. Wait … No, your post is just about every kind of wrong, plus a few new ones that have yet to be imagined. You got it backwards on the foreign policy: he has done almost everything right and only a few things wrong (Libya, perhaps). Loud-mouth blustering morons might not get it, but we simply cannot afford to act like the world’s biggest asshole. Comes the day we cannot put up (and it will), having pissed everybody off will not work to our advantage. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/158 "2016-11-04T19:37:58Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > I bear no malice to Obama. In my eyes he was an affable and intelligent President. Foreign policy was not however his strong suit. After 8 years in office Russia is now a powerful player in the Middle East and the alliance of Russia, Iran, Shi’ite Syria and Iraq, along with Hezbollah looks to be dictating affairs in that region for the foreseeable future. Even Israel is cozying up to Putin, with Israeli-American relations in the worst state they’ve been in for a long, long time. Let Russia try to play peacemaker there for a while, and catch all the flak from both sides when it doesn’t work. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/159 "2016-11-04T19:45:04Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Sigh. Prin, let me try to explain it to you. I’ll type real slow, so you can follow along without moving your lips too much. > > She kept them on an unsecure server. That was intentional, because she was trying to avoid FOIA disclosure. It was also grossly negligent, because she opened that confidential information up to the world. Therefore, each one of those messages is a separate offense. Therefore, 110 felonies committed. > > Let’s repeat this: **She kept them on an unsecure server.** What part of that is so damn difficult to understand? If you don’t think that is a serious issue, then you are part of the problem, not part of the solution. You don’t know anything about this issue. I’ve worked with dozens or even hundreds of people who have mishandled controlled and classified information in this exact way. None of them were prosecuted. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/160 "2016-11-04T19:58:50Z")
But the reaction is typical. “But… But this time we know she actually did something! We have PROOF! We were told she should be in jail! We’ve been promised this for over 25 years! How is she not in jail when we know that, this time for sure, she actually did something wrong???” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465.md?page=9)