# Clothahump, and others... **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 2, 2016, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465 "2016-11-02T18:35:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![quimper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/7c8e57/32.png) [@quimper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/quimper)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/161 "2016-11-04T20:14:15Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > I bear no malice to Obama. In my eyes he was an affable and intelligent President. Foreign policy was not however his strong suit. After 8 years in office Russia is now a powerful player in the Middle East and the alliance of Russia, Iran, Shi’ite Syria and Iraq, along with Hezbollah looks to be dictating affairs in that region for the foreseeable future. Even Israel is cozying up to Putin, with Israeli-American relations in the worst state they’ve been in for a long, long time. > > Not all of this is Obama’s fault but some of it can certainly be laid at his door. You have to look pretty hard for any foreign policy successes in his administration. At least Hillary will quickly mend fences with Israel and I feel she will be a far more capable President than Obama when it comes to foreign policy (although her campaign bluster about no-fly zones and the possibility of shooting Russian planes out of the sky scares the hell out of me. I trust that she’ll come to her senses when she’s in the Oval Office.) Without a doubt, Obama has been absolutely terrible at maintaining _Pax Americana_ (“Red line? What red line?” is probably going to go down as the moment when NATO lost the Syrian War to the Russians, and let’s not mention that Libya has devolved into George Miller’s Wasteland.) But to many (most?) Americans that’s a feature, not a bug. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/162 "2016-11-04T20:52:11Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > And lastly, assuming the worst about this conduct, how would it effect her presidency? She’s not going to have a home server if she’s in the White House. She is going to work towards programs and policies I favor 1000 times more than those of Mr. Trump, so even if I were troubled by this server issue, she’d have my vote. You’re not concerned about her stupidity/arrogance in doing this in the first place? You’re not concerned about the fact that she did it deliberately to avoid FOIA requests? Apparently not. I am. I don’t want someone like that as POTUS. Trump wasn’t my first choice, nor my second or even third. But I would vote for a one-legged leper to keep Hillary out of the White House. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/163 "2016-11-04T20:55:22Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > You’re not concerned about her stupidity/arrogance in doing this in the first place? You’re not concerned about the fact that she did it deliberately to avoid FOIA requests? > > Apparently not. I am. I don’t want someone like that as POTUS. Trump wasn’t my first choice, nor my second or even third. But I would vote for a one-legged leper to keep Hillary out of the White House. You go ahead and vote however you want, because he isn’t going to win. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/164 "2016-11-04T20:56:31Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > Ah, you wish to live in a society of guilty until… no just guilty. > > How well do you think that’ll work out? Did you read the definition? Do you not understand the concept that one does not have to be tried and convicted to be referred to as a felon. They simply have to have committed a felony. Same as a bigamist, who commits bigamy. Same as a burglar, who commits burglary. Same as a robber, who commits robbery. Etc., etc. Deal with it. ---
**Author:** ![BigAppleBucky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigapplebucky/32/178_2.png) [@BigAppleBucky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigAppleBucky)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/165 "2016-11-04T21:04:06Z")
> [@yanceylebeef](#): > > In [this](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=808938) thread **Clothahump** says this… > To keep from hijacking that thread, I’ll open one here. What are the disasters that have befell our nation in the last 8 years? What are her felonies? Please tell me, I really want to know what has happened that I have missed. > > Anyone who can point out the disastrous bullshit is welcome. > > Please, put up or shut up. For starters, 55% of Americans are glad we’ve had President Obama. Perhaps because unemployment has fallen from 7.2% under Bush to 4.9% now. Or maybe because the S&P 500 has gone from 850.12 up to 2,111.72. (It fell from 1,342.52 (Clinton I) to that 850 number under Bush.) Price of gas is down from 8 years ago. (Average price in 2008 was $3.24, it’s now about a buck under that.) 23 million more Americans now have health insurance Iran has shipped off tons of processed uranium and closed two thirds of its centrifuges. 100,000 US troops have come home. The US has “suffered” the longest period of sustained economic growth in its history. Let that sink in. Longest ever. Four people killed at a US embassy in Benghazi - terrible. But under Bush 60 people were killed in ten attacks on US embassies and consulates. Obama could have had Bush, and especially Cheney, investigated for starting the war in Iraq and then profiting by it. Instead, for the sake of healing, he instructed the justice department to look away and not pursue the matter. Trump is the opposite. He hates and burns for revenge. I know, facts, facts facts - they tend to have a liberal bias. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/166 "2016-11-04T21:04:17Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Did you read the definition? Do you not understand the concept that one does not have to be tried and convicted to be referred to as a felon. They simply have to have committed a felony. Same as a bigamist, who commits bigamy. Same as a burglar, who commits burglary. Same as a robber, who commits robbery. Etc., etc. Deal with it. Which is why I can call you a blithering idiot, because of the above blithering idiocy, right? ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/167 "2016-11-04T21:05:41Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Did you read the definition? Do you not understand the concept that one does not have to be tried and convicted to be referred to as a felon. They simply have to have committed a felony. Same as a bigamist, who commits bigamy. Same as a burglar, who commits burglary. Same as a robber, who commits robbery. Etc., etc. Deal with it. Coupla things, clothy… (you know, the books that you stole your name from were some of my favorite, I should pit you just for ruining that childhood memory) First, your definition came after my post, so chiding me for not knowing how you were defining words is pretty fucking stupid on your part, but it is to be expected. You can call anyone anything you want, but in order to be taken seriously, your words should have some relation to reality. I could call you a felon. I could call you a murderer. I have no proof that you did these things, but I have my suspicions, and you know, people are saying… I have as much proof that you are a murderer a rapist and a burglar as you have that Clinton is a felon, in other words, none. If you do not wish to be considered a criminal in all future interactions with anyone, maybe you should consider having some level of proof before accusing. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/168 "2016-11-04T21:13:47Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Did you read the definition? Do you not understand the concept that one does not have to be tried and convicted to be referred to as a felon. They simply have to have committed a felony. Same as a bigamist, who commits bigamy. Same as a burglar, who commits burglary. Same as a robber, who commits robbery. Etc., etc. Deal with it. And yet, she’s allowed to buy a gun, vote, serve on a jury,travel abroad, live in public housing(includes The White House), etc. Care to revise your bullshit definition? If she actually committed a felony, why did Comey decline to prosecute? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/169 "2016-11-04T21:19:31Z")
Let’s put **Clothahump’s** little theory to the test. He thinks that if people believe that Clinton is a felon, then she must be a felon, whereas I think that if he acts like a blithering idiot he must be a blithering idiot. I think this can be decided democratically with an informal poll: Do you think that Clinton is an actual felon, or do you think that **Clothahump** is a blithering idiot? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/170 "2016-11-04T21:28:19Z")
[And there’s this.](http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-pol-clinton-email-legal-analysis-20160705-snap-story.html) > [@](#): > > But none of those cases fit the peculiar situation whereby the secretary of State chose to bypass the department’s non-classified email system and instead \*\*relied on a personal server to handle her regular communications with her staff. > \*\* > > **Hillary Clinton also used the department’s secure email system for transmitting classified information,** but the FBI found that some of the regular communications with her staff on the personal server involved facts and details that she should have known were classified. In a few cases, the emails bore markings to indicate they contained classified information. If I remember the numbers correctly, there were 110 emails that contained classified information that **were not marked in any way**. There were three further emails that contained classified information\*\* but only had portion markings\*\*, not header markings. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/171 "2016-11-04T21:29:24Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Did you read the definition? Do you not understand the concept that one does not have to be tried and convicted to be referred to as a felon. They simply have to have committed a felony. Same as a bigamist, who commits bigamy. Same as a burglar, who commits burglary. Same as a robber, who commits robbery. Etc., etc. Deal with it. So, you agree that Trump is a felon because of his repeated instances of sexual assault. Sentence first, trial later, right? Just say this crap if you are ever up for jury duty, and I guarantee you that you’ll get off, since the court wants people with some fucking clue about the law. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/172 "2016-11-04T21:29:24Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > And yet, she’s allowed to buy a gun, vote, serve on a jury,travel abroad, live in public housing(includes The White House), etc. > Care to revise your bullshit definition? > > If she actually committed a felony, why did Comey decline to prosecute? He’s afraid of the Clintons, duh. REMEMBER FOSTER! ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/173 "2016-11-04T21:30:17Z")
A blithering idiot who has gotten kicked in the head one too many times ---
**Author:** ![HeweyLogan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heweylogan/32/547_2.png) [@HeweyLogan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HeweyLogan)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/174 "2016-11-04T21:30:51Z")
> [@yanceylebeef](#): > > What are the disasters that have befell our nation in the last 8 years? What are her felonies? Please tell me, I really want to know what has happened that I have missed. > > Anyone who can point out the disastrous bullshit is welcome. > > Please, put up or shut up. > [@marshmallow](#): > > Conservatives are alarmed by the ballooning debt and stagnant economic growth. They think ACA is a colossal disaster and have been working to destroy it since it was enacted. They think liberals are chasing pipe dreams with failed green economic policies that don’t replace fossil fuel industry. … > [@yanceylebeef](#): > > I know what conservatives are alarmed about. I do pay attention. But thanks for the condescending tone. It really helps the conversation > > The fact of the matter is that none of the things you have listed is a disaster. None. I’m still waiting to here from actual conservatives what has been so bad. Bunch of mewling quims can’t back up their apocalyptic talk with anything substantive. Why would anyone in their right mind engage you? You’re dishonest to the core. And raving to boot. This whole thread is a bait and switch where you get to bitch at the people coming in to answer a presumably legitimate question that you yourself asked. Sad. ---
**Author:** ![Translucent\_Daydream](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/translucent_daydream/32/16170_2.png) [@Translucent\_Daydream](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Translucent_Daydream)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/175 "2016-11-04T21:55:22Z")
I’m still waiting… is there really any disasters yet? I’m honestly wondering, I’m not the smartest dude and I’m completely open to any if they could be explained maybe. I kinda thought that Obama gave the red line to congress so they could vote to go to war, and they chose not to. How is it his fault again? I’m not that swift with politics, so I’m for real asking, not trying to add to the snarky tire fire… ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/176 "2016-11-04T22:01:22Z")
> [@BigAppleBucky](#): > > (Clinton I) Seeing this for the first time cheered me up for some reason, but out of consistency, I suggest the nomenclature be Clinton42 and Clinton45 (or possibly Clinton and Rodham-Clinton), following the convention established by Bush41 and Bush43. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/177 "2016-11-04T22:17:28Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Seeing this for the first time cheered me up for some reason, but out of consistency, I suggest the nomenclature be Clinton42 and Clinton45 (or possibly Clinton and Rodham-Clinton), following the convention established by Bush41 and Bush43. If we’re going to respect precedent, I prefer Bush the Elder and Bush the Younger. Doesn’t help for the Clintons, though. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/178 "2016-11-04T22:26:15Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > If we’re going to respect precedent, I prefer Bush the Elder and Bush the Younger. Doesn’t help for the Clintons, though. Male Clinton and Female Clinton. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/179 "2016-11-04T22:40:36Z")
> [@YogSothoth](#): > > A blithering idiot who has gotten kicked in the head one too many times I think it must be several dozen to have done that much damage. ---
**Author:** ![MindsEye\_Watering](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mindseye_watering/32/3619_2.png) [@MindsEye\_Watering](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MindsEye_Watering)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/180 "2016-11-04T22:41:00Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Let’s put **Clothahump’s** I think this can be decided democratically with an informal poll: > Do you think that Clinton is an actual felon, or do you think that **Clothahump** is a blithering idiot? I was going to suggest that he’s a gutless coward and a drooling moron, but I’ll go with blithering idiot. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465.md?page=10)