# Clueless Idiots:  The Nobel Committee

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**Category:** The BBQ Pit\
**Created:** [October 9, 2009, 10:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clueless-idiots-the-nobel-committee/513175 "2009-10-09T10:53:34Z")\
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**Author:** ![anu-la1979](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/47e85d/32.png) [@anu-la1979](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/anu-la1979)\
**Post date:** [October 9, 2009, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clueless-idiots-the-nobel-committee/513175/81 "2009-10-09T15:58:56Z")

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> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#):
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> He won the Presidency because he beat his opponents on substance, character, temperment, intelligence and judgement.
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> For all those whining about this perfectly meritorious and appropriate decision by the Nobel Committee, who do you think SHOULD have won?
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> By the way, giving Obama the award just to spite GWB is an absolutely valid and commendable all by itself.

Is this a joke? My answer would be Aung San Suu Kyi.

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**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\
**Post date:** [October 9, 2009, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clueless-idiots-the-nobel-committee/513175/82 "2009-10-09T16:00:06Z")

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> [@ivylass](#):
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> In case anyone is interested, [here](http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2009/10/meet_the_people_who_were_passe.asp) are the other nominees.

The list of nominees is a secret. Those are just people who are believed to have been nominated.

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**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\
**Post date:** [October 9, 2009, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clueless-idiots-the-nobel-committee/513175/83 "2009-10-09T16:02:50Z")

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For what? Being a prisoner? Anybody can be a prisoner.

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**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\
**Post date:** [October 9, 2009, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clueless-idiots-the-nobel-committee/513175/84 "2009-10-09T16:03:28Z")

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Geez the Republicans cannot et out of their own way. When our President gets awarded the Nobel Peace Prize it is a moment of great pride, or should be. But not if it is Obama…

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> The real question Americans are asking is, ‘What has President Obama actually accomplished?’ It is unfortunate that the president’s star power has outshined tireless advocates who have made real achievements working towards peace and human rights. One thing is certain – President Obama won’t be receiving any awards from Americans for job creation, fiscal responsibility, or backing up rhetoric with concrete action.

That’s from the RNCC. Now as citizen’s I think it is ok if folks want to question it. But to mock the selection and to demean the award for political purposes is just bad form. Kind of like cheering when the USA gets dumped by the IOC because you want to portray it as an Obama failure.

They should just shut up, really.

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**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\
**Post date:** [October 9, 2009, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clueless-idiots-the-nobel-committee/513175/85 "2009-10-09T16:03:51Z")

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The Weekly Standard is a right wing fish wrap anyway.

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**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\
**Post date:** [October 9, 2009, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clueless-idiots-the-nobel-committee/513175/86 "2009-10-09T16:07:46Z")

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How about Stephen Colbert? 😃

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**Author:** ![SecondJudith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@SecondJudith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SecondJudith)\
**Post date:** [October 9, 2009, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clueless-idiots-the-nobel-committee/513175/87 "2009-10-09T16:07:47Z")

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> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#):
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> For what? Being a prisoner? Anybody can be a prisoner.

Uh.

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**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\
**Post date:** [October 9, 2009, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clueless-idiots-the-nobel-committee/513175/88 "2009-10-09T16:07:57Z")

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> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#):
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> For what? Being a prisoner? Anybody can be a prisoner.

This is a phenomenally stupid thing to say, even for you.

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**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\
**Post date:** [October 9, 2009, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clueless-idiots-the-nobel-committee/513175/89 "2009-10-09T16:08:51Z")

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> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#):
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> For what? Being a prisoner? Anybody can be a prisoner.

Edited because I violated the rules. Either way, **Dio** , that’s an extremely shitty thing to say – go to hell.

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**Author:** ![anu-la1979](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/47e85d/32.png) [@anu-la1979](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/anu-la1979)\
**Post date:** [October 9, 2009, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clueless-idiots-the-nobel-committee/513175/90 "2009-10-09T16:08:53Z")

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> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#):
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> For what? Being a prisoner? Anybody can be a prisoner.

If you’re talking to me-she helped found the democratic movement in her country and refused to leave even after she was offered the chance for freedom. Since 1989. She lost her husband while sitting in prison and hasn’t seen her children in years. She’s a living symbol of ahimsa, Diogenes. And no, there aren’t very many people that can do that, actually.

But seriously, go ahead and mock her. It just reflects on you.

Hey, it turns out she already won-and used the money to establish a non-profit to help people. While in prison. That’s awesome.

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**Author:** ![Nzinga\_Seated](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b5ac83/32.png) [@Nzinga\_Seated](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nzinga_Seated)\
**Post date:** [October 9, 2009, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clueless-idiots-the-nobel-committee/513175/91 "2009-10-09T16:09:02Z")

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> [@Death\_of\_Rats](#):
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> Still Tiger Woods

The black guy with the hot wife with the bangin’ booty and the mean underbite?

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**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Joe\_Meager](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/bb73d2/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Joe\_Meager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Joe_Meager)\
**Post date:** [October 9, 2009, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clueless-idiots-the-nobel-committee/513175/92 "2009-10-09T16:11:12Z")

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> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#):
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> He won the Presidency because he beat his opponents on substance, character, temperment, intelligence and judgement.
> 
> For all those whining about this perfectly meritorious and appropriate decision by the Nobel Committee, who do you think SHOULD have won?
> 
> By the way, giving Obama the award just to spite GWB is an absolutely valid and commendable all by itself.

And y’all call me crazy? At my worst I don’t come anywhere near this level of detachment from reality.

**Dio** , you are motherfucking nuts.

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**Author:** ![Lightnin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightnin/32/180_2.png) [@Lightnin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightnin)\
**Post date:** [October 9, 2009, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clueless-idiots-the-nobel-committee/513175/93 "2009-10-09T16:11:18Z")

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> [@Gangster\_Octopus](#):
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> Geez the Republicans cannot et out of their own way. When our President gets awarded the Nobel Peace Prize it is a moment of great pride, or should be. But not if it is Obama…

It is rather telling, I think, that in the space of two weeks the Republicans have both cheered the fact that America won’t be hosting the Olympics \*and \*protested an American President winning the Nobel.

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**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\
**Post date:** [October 9, 2009, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clueless-idiots-the-nobel-committee/513175/94 "2009-10-09T16:11:46Z")

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> [@yojimbo](#):
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> I actually would have been plesently surprised it they had gave it to “The people of America” for going with Obama. It would have been great fun seeing the right react to that.

It would be cool for me to add it to my resume, along with winning Time’s Person of the Year a few years back.

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**Author:** ![I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/i_love_me_vol.i/32/521_2.png) [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/I_Love_Me_Vol.I)\
**Post date:** [October 9, 2009, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clueless-idiots-the-nobel-committee/513175/95 "2009-10-09T16:18:09Z")

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> [@Jimmy\_Joe\_Meager](#):
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> Hell, this is how he won the presidency to begin with. You are now reaping what you have sown, people.

Run along.

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**Author:** ![Malthus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/85f322/32.png) [@Malthus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malthus)\
**Post date:** [October 9, 2009, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clueless-idiots-the-nobel-committee/513175/96 "2009-10-09T16:18:13Z")

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> [@Gangster\_Octopus](#):
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> Geez the Republicans cannot et out of their own way. When our President gets awarded the Nobel Peace Prize it is a moment of great pride, or should be. But not if it is Obama…
> 
> That’s from the RNCC. Now as citizen’s I think it is ok if folks want to question it. But to mock the selection and to demean the award for political purposes is just bad form. Kind of like cheering when the USA gets dumped by the IOC because you want to portray it as an Obama failure.
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> They should just shut up, really.

I’m not an American, and don’t care all that much about the partisan politics of America, but to my mind this prize is doing no favours to Obama politically.

Reason is simple: the greater the expectations, the greater the dissapointment if he fails to live up to them.

Right now, it would be a great accomplishment merely to be a 'caretaker" president, successfully navagating the grave economic, domestic and foriegn policy challenges facing America and the world today without making things worse than they are. Giving him the Nobel prize feeds into the expectation that he’ll do more than that. If he fails to, I suspect many will feel that they have been sold a bill of goods, that Obama is fine with the speeches and charisma but short on substance.

I’m not of course talking about the batshit crazy partisan hacks that think he’s the devil himself, but of the swing type voters he’ll need for a second term.

Of course none of this will matter unless the Republicans get their shit together and offer a real challenger, so far no signs of that. Nor, unfortunately, are there any signs of Obama having the skill that seems to matter most in a US president once he’s actually elected - the ability to charm, bamboozle, and threaten a fractious Congress into actually getting important stuff done.

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**Author:** ![MovieMogul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f08c70/32.png) [@MovieMogul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MovieMogul)\
**Post date:** [October 9, 2009, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clueless-idiots-the-nobel-committee/513175/97 "2009-10-09T16:18:45Z")

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> [@PrettyVacant](#):
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> It’s like the Oscars folks, overrated, pompous and self-aggrandizing.

But with fewer musical numbers.

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**Author:** ![I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/i_love_me_vol.i/32/521_2.png) [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/I_Love_Me_Vol.I)\
**Post date:** [October 9, 2009, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clueless-idiots-the-nobel-committee/513175/98 "2009-10-09T16:19:11Z")

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> [@Jimmy\_Joe\_Meager](#):
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> Are you kidding? Glenn’s going to be giggling like a schoolgirl for the next umpteen hours.

He’s always like that after he sniffs his mother’s panties.

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**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\
**Post date:** [October 9, 2009, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clueless-idiots-the-nobel-committee/513175/99 "2009-10-09T16:20:30Z")

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> [@anu-la1979](#):
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> If you’re talking to me-she helped found the democratic movement in her country and refused to leave even after she was offered the chance for freedom. Since 1989. She lost her husband while sitting in prison and hasn’t seen her children in years. She’s a living symbol of ahimsa, Diogenes. And no, there aren’t very many people that can do that, actually.
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> But seriously, go ahead and mock her. It just reflects on you.
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> Hey, it turns out she already won-and used the money to establish a non-profit to help people. While in prison. That’s awesome.

I didn’t mock her. I asked what’s she done to promote world peace. She a political prisoner. What has her imprisonment done to promote world peace?

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**Author:** ![Henrichek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/5daacb/32.png) [@Henrichek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Henrichek)\
**Post date:** [October 9, 2009, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clueless-idiots-the-nobel-committee/513175/100 "2009-10-09T16:21:58Z")

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> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#):
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> The list of nominees is a secret. Those are just people who are believed to have been nominated.

That, and this year’s list of nominees had a record of 205 names, out of which 33 were organizations.

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