# c'mon someone else liked ST:Nemesis, right??.... **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 24, 2003, 9:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cmon-someone-else-liked-st-nemesis-right/209284 "2003-10-24T09:21:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![AndrewL](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3d9bf3/32.png) [@AndrewL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AndrewL)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2003, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cmon-someone-else-liked-st-nemesis-right/209284/21 "2003-10-24T23:23:57Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by torie \* > \*\*I for one thought the message was brilliant. But im a big dork st fan. \*\* It had a message? (scratches head) Oh, I remember. “If you have a ship with a cloaking device and a super-weapon that can destroy anything, and you can fire when cloaked, never turn your cloaking device off!” ---
**Author:** ![FabioClone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5f8ce5/32.png) [@FabioClone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FabioClone)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2003, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cmon-someone-else-liked-st-nemesis-right/209284/22 "2003-10-24T23:30:53Z")
Yeah, I was just talking about the Star Trek movies. But since you bring it up, was the scene in Star Wars really that similar to the Nemesis one? I just remember Anakin flying into the docking bay, not flying through corridors and stuff. Of course, it is possible that I wasn’t paying close attention to what was going on. The movie had lost my interest by that point. ---
**Author:** ![Fern\_Forest](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/71c47a/32.png) [@Fern\_Forest](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fern_Forest)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2003, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cmon-someone-else-liked-st-nemesis-right/209284/23 "2003-10-24T23:33:35Z")
It was OK. The script just felt really rushed. I don’t like thinking “Now wait just a minute!” while I’m watching a movie. And they did absolutely no justice to the death of Data. I mean he was the best character I should have been in tears but I didn’t even work up a sniffle. ---
**Author:** ![torie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/77aa72/32.png) [@torie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/torie)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2003, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cmon-someone-else-liked-st-nemesis-right/209284/24 "2003-10-24T23:55:07Z")
I was sad…oh well guess i am in a minority here. ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2003, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cmon-someone-else-liked-st-nemesis-right/209284/25 "2003-10-25T00:10:37Z")
I appreciated it more on a second viewing. ---
**Author:** ![sturmhauke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e47c2d/32.png) [@sturmhauke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sturmhauke)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2003, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cmon-someone-else-liked-st-nemesis-right/209284/26 "2003-10-25T00:17:13Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by torie \* > **as far as prime directive violation goes…phah. the prime directive states that there will be no DIRECT INTERFERENCE with pre warp societies. the dune buggy scene was questionable but not what i would call flagrent.** What do you call firing on the natives? A friendly game of tag? ---
**Author:** ![torie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/77aa72/32.png) [@torie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/torie)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2003, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cmon-someone-else-liked-st-nemesis-right/209284/27 "2003-10-25T02:08:03Z")
in many episodes Picard has been faced with the question of whether or not to defend himself in a situation in which doing so would violate the prime directive. Now the Dune Buggy scene is questionable but it just means picard made what may have been an unwise desicion. He’s not perfect. He can do that. That’s the way i interpret it. Picard made an unwise decision in the heat of the moment and that doesent make the movie bad. Now whether John Logan thinks of it that way is anyone’s guess. But that’s what’s so cool about ST and one of the reasons i like it so much. Alot of the decisions the characters make are open to descussion and interpretation. There’s no one breathing down your neck saying “this was right, that is what you are supposed to think about that character’s action…” but i digress…i think alot of people are nitpicking so much they are missing the real meat and bones of the plot. i.e. the question the movie asks. What makes you YOU? This movie made me think alot about that issue and that to me is more important then any of the minor plot holes. ---
**Author:** ![Odinoneeye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/97f17d/32.png) [@Odinoneeye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odinoneeye)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2003, 5:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cmon-someone-else-liked-st-nemesis-right/209284/28 "2003-10-25T05:25:24Z")
I liked it. One of the best Trek films IMO. Of course, I hated the stupid whales one that everyone seems to love. Besides it holds sentimental value for me. It’s the first Star Trek film I took my kids to see. The torch has been passed. ---
**Author:** ![ddgryphon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/8c91f0/32.png) [@ddgryphon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ddgryphon)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2003, 5:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cmon-someone-else-liked-st-nemesis-right/209284/29 "2003-10-25T05:39:26Z")
I had the same problem with it that I’ve had with other ST films – indifference. I just found it mildly interesting, but not engaging. ---
**Author:** ![friedo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8edcca/32.png) [@friedo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/friedo)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2003, 6:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cmon-someone-else-liked-st-nemesis-right/209284/30 "2003-10-25T06:59:18Z")
The stupid whales one was good because, while the plot was silly, the movie itself was _funny_. It had good jokes and decent comic actors. But _Nemesis_ takes itself far too seriously, while at the same time trying to force jokes into an otherwise stilted script. But _First Contact_ kicked ass. ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2003, 7:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cmon-someone-else-liked-st-nemesis-right/209284/31 "2003-10-25T07:03:15Z")
I liked it when I saw it in the theatre and I admit to sniffling when Data died but when I rented it about six months later and rewatched it, I was indifferent. Not too bad, but not great either. Like most Trek movies. ---
**Author:** ![sturmhauke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e47c2d/32.png) [@sturmhauke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sturmhauke)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2003, 7:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cmon-someone-else-liked-st-nemesis-right/209284/32 "2003-10-25T07:07:33Z")
My main problem with the dune buggy scene wasn’t the breaking of the Prime Directive, although that whole planet sequence was handled badly. The problem was Picard runnin’ and gunnin’ like he was Kirk. Picard doesn’t act like that. And like FabioClone said, why even have the buggy in the first place? The main theme with Shinzon could have been interesting, but they did a total hack job on it. “Mua-ha-ha, I’m evil, I’m going to destroy!!! I r00lz0rz!!!11!!11! Join me, and together we can rule the galaxy as father and son… or something.” And how exactly did he manage to build the Scimitar? Sure, the Remans had the physical resources, but they were bunch of slave miners. That they should have the mental resources is completely implausible. And Fern Forest is dead on about Data dying. There was zero emotional impact. And the whole B4 thing is ridiculous. ---
**Author:** ![Rainbowthief](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/4bbf92/32.png) [@Rainbowthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rainbowthief)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2003, 7:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cmon-someone-else-liked-st-nemesis-right/209284/33 "2003-10-25T07:14:34Z")
It blows. I bought the DVD anyway because I love Trek, but _Nemesis_ killed the Trek movie franchise, or at least put it on long term hold. I really hope DS9 gets the next movie. ---
**Author:** ![FilmGeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/b19c9b/32.png) [@FilmGeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FilmGeek)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2003, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cmon-someone-else-liked-st-nemesis-right/209284/34 "2003-10-26T03:46:22Z")
I liked it. I had a friend who misquoted it, and used _that_ as her reason for disliking it. I hate that. ---
**Author:** ![Spudo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbce88/32.png) [@Spudo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spudo)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2003, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cmon-someone-else-liked-st-nemesis-right/209284/35 "2003-10-26T13:49:08Z")
I liked almost all of it. The dune buggy thing was really stupid. ---
**Author:** ![drewbert](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drewbert/32/15890_2.png) [@drewbert](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drewbert)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2003, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cmon-someone-else-liked-st-nemesis-right/209284/36 "2003-10-26T14:20:24Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Rainbowthief \* > \*\*I really hope DS9 gets the next movie. \*\* I hope _not_, if the same people are going to write/produce it. I’d rather have no DS9 movie than a bad one. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2003, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cmon-someone-else-liked-st-nemesis-right/209284/37 "2003-10-26T14:22:28Z")
Just in case it’s not clear what I thought about it… I liked it better the first time I saw it. When I got the DVD, I realised I was a little disappointed in it. Still fun, tho. ---
**Author:** ![friedo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8edcca/32.png) [@friedo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/friedo)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2003, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cmon-someone-else-liked-st-nemesis-right/209284/38 "2003-10-26T19:10:02Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by drewbert \* > \*\*I hope _not_, if the same people are going to write/produce it. I’d rather have no DS9 movie than a bad one. \*\* What the hell you talkin’ about, Willis? DS9 had some of the best writing in the entire franchise. ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2003, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cmon-someone-else-liked-st-nemesis-right/209284/39 "2003-10-26T19:12:13Z")
I assume he meant the same people writing for a DS9 movie that wrote for Nemesis. One thing that doesn’t bode well for a good DS9 movie being made is Ira Steveh Behr no longer being in the fold. He was one of the driving forces behind the greatness of the series. ---
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2003, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cmon-someone-else-liked-st-nemesis-right/209284/40 "2003-10-26T19:28:29Z")
It was okay. I was miffed that the plot was basically a reworked ST: TWoK and there were a _lot_ of things in it which could have been done better. Of course, I also don’t hate the _Star Trek film that none dare name_ and didn’t enjoy _First Contact_ at all. The best part, though (besides the trailer), IMHO, was the shot of Data leaping from one ship to the other. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cmon-someone-else-liked-st-nemesis-right/209284.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cmon-someone-else-liked-st-nemesis-right/209284.md?page=3)