# c'mon someone else liked ST:Nemesis, right??.... **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 24, 2003, 9:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cmon-someone-else-liked-st-nemesis-right/209284 "2003-10-24T09:21:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2003, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cmon-someone-else-liked-st-nemesis-right/209284/41 "2003-10-26T19:35:30Z")
You aren’t the only one, **Tuckerfan**. [Star Trek: The Final Frontier has a bum rep!](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=191844) ---
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2003, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cmon-someone-else-liked-st-nemesis-right/209284/42 "2003-10-26T20:08:36Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Aesiron \* > \*\*You aren’t the only one, **Tuckerfan**. > > [Star Trek: The Final Frontier has a bum rep!](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=191844) \*\* Psst! Check out the 10th post after the OP! ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2003, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cmon-someone-else-liked-st-nemesis-right/209284/43 "2003-10-26T20:11:06Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by vivalostwages \* > \*\*Have you guys found my ST5 marshmelon dispenser yet? \*\* :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2003, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cmon-someone-else-liked-st-nemesis-right/209284/44 "2003-10-26T20:16:20Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Aesiron \* > \*\*:dubious: \*\* You counted the OP as one, didn’t you? I said the 10th post **after** the OP. Not the 10th post in the thread! ---
**Author:** ![friedo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8edcca/32.png) [@friedo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/friedo)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2003, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cmon-someone-else-liked-st-nemesis-right/209284/45 "2003-10-26T20:17:07Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Aesiron \* > I assume he meant the same people writing for a DS9 movie that wrote for Nemesis. Oh, nebbermind. ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2003, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cmon-someone-else-liked-st-nemesis-right/209284/46 "2003-10-26T20:47:19Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Tuckerfan \* > \*\*You counted the OP as one, didn’t you? I said the 10th post **after** the OP. Not the 10th post in the thread! \*\* Nope. Your post is the twelfth. Or eleventh, going by your method. ---
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2003, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cmon-someone-else-liked-st-nemesis-right/209284/47 "2003-10-26T21:39:16Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Aesiron \* > \*\*Nope. Your post is the twelfth. Or eleventh, going by your method. \*\* Hmmm. I double and triple counted it. Wonder where I screwed up. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2003, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cmon-someone-else-liked-st-nemesis-right/209284/48 "2003-10-26T21:52:34Z")
Logging on. ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2003, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cmon-someone-else-liked-st-nemesis-right/209284/49 "2003-10-26T23:16:47Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Aesiron \* > \*\*:dubious: \*\* Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in! ---
**Author:** ![torie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/77aa72/32.png) [@torie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/torie)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2003, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cmon-someone-else-liked-st-nemesis-right/209284/50 "2003-10-26T23:22:00Z")
yup tuckerfan’s post is 11th. ---
**Author:** ![godzillatemple](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/49beb7/32.png) [@godzillatemple](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/godzillatemple)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2003, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cmon-someone-else-liked-st-nemesis-right/209284/51 "2003-10-27T00:31:33Z")
The dune buggy scene was as jarringly awful as the scene in ST VI (Undiscovered Country) where they showed all the pots and pans being used in the galley (Replicators? What replicators?) However, the single worst moment for me was when Data took a running jump out of the hole in the enterprise hull and managed to somehow reach the distant Scimitar (which was, what – 1/2 mile away? 1 mile?) in under 2 minutes. As for the “theme” of the movie, I’m afraid it just didn’t resonate with me very much. First, because the Shinzon character was too darn evil (in a comic booky way), second, because they covered the same ground previously in the ST:TNG episode where Commander Riker found out he had a “transporter clone,” and third, because it just isn’t that original of a concept to begin with. Barry ---
**Author:** ![Achernar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e274bd/32.png) [@Achernar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Achernar)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2003, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cmon-someone-else-liked-st-nemesis-right/209284/52 "2003-10-27T00:54:02Z")
I liked it too, though I agree with a couple of the ways it could have been improved. > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by godzillatemple \* > However, the single worst moment for me was when Data took a running jump out of the hole in the enterprise hull and managed to somehow reach the distant Scimitar (which was, what – 1/2 mile away? 1 mile?) in under 2 minutes. There was also a bunch of air that got expelled with him. I figured they were using that as a propellant. When he hit the other ship it easily looked to me like he could have been going 15 MPH. ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2003, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cmon-someone-else-liked-st-nemesis-right/209284/53 "2003-10-27T01:23:47Z")
I didn’t hate _Nemesis_. I enjoyed it just fine, although I thought the dune buggy scene didn’t really seem to fit or add much. And there was really no explanation why people just suddenly turned up and attacked them. I’m not sure I was too crazy about the B4 angle – when they found the head, I first thought it was going to be Lore, and he would end up put back together… Maybe if they’d developed the B4 bits better. ---
**Author:** ![Diceman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Diceman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diceman)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2003, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cmon-someone-else-liked-st-nemesis-right/209284/54 "2003-10-27T03:57:04Z")
It was an OK movie. I’ll admit to being upset by Data’s death, but later I realized that they’re probably planning to “reincarnate” Data thru B4, which ruined the emotional impact of Data’s death. Frankly, I hope that they realize their mistake and kill off B4 in the next movie (assuming another Trek movie gets made.) The dune buggy scene was cool, but from a Trek standpoint it was ridiculous. Not only did they flagrantly violate the Prime Directive, but there was no reason for them use the dune buggy. The mission would have been faster, easier, and safer if they stayed in the shuttle. ---
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2003, 6:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cmon-someone-else-liked-st-nemesis-right/209284/55 "2003-10-27T06:46:03Z")
Oh yeah, I completely forgot this: The dune buggy scene was basically product placement. If you watch the end credits, there’s a whole bunch of info about the company that built them. ---
**Author:** ![Gamaliel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b487fb/32.png) [@Gamaliel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gamaliel)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2003, 7:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cmon-someone-else-liked-st-nemesis-right/209284/56 "2003-10-27T07:44:35Z")
It freaked me out hearing the leather creaking in theater stereo whenever Shinzon walked around. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cmon-someone-else-liked-st-nemesis-right/209284.md?page=2)