# CNN doesn't like the US 1st amendment **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 22, 2014, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-doesnt-like-the-us-1st-amendment/691392 "2014-06-22T21:59:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2014, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-doesnt-like-the-us-1st-amendment/691392/261 "2014-07-03T15:24:03Z")
> [@andros](#): > > No apologies necessary. > > I was kinda hoping our friend might explain why having had friends KIA is relevant to anything, and if there’s some sort of point-scoring system. Well, you could try - ask him for a serious no-bullshit adult coherent spell-checked clarification. Or maybe that’ll just overstimulate his “herpity-derp!” reflex. Maybe ask him to say something really really funny, and out of robotic spite he’ll respond with something coherent and straightforward. ---
**Author:** ![WWhiskey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f9ae1b/32.png) [@WWhiskey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WWhiskey)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2014, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-doesnt-like-the-us-1st-amendment/691392/262 "2014-07-03T17:32:09Z")
> [@andros](#): > > No apologies necessary. > > I was kinda hoping our friend might explain why having had friends KIA is relevant to anything, and if there’s some sort of point-scoring system. That’s a lot, from the “huh?” you posted, I would like to know who could extrapolate that question from “Huh?” why is it we send troops to distant shit holes to die for others right to vote, all the while not vetting the people who vote for politicians that send them there in the first place? But you didn’t want a question, you wanted an answer I suppose, well I typed it all out, then decided not to post it, to many delicate creatures around here that like to call me names and say stuff like > [@](#): > > Boy, that’s some USDA, prime bullshit right there. or this beauty > [@](#): > > I guess it’s a good thing we no longer allow literacy tests. , > [@](#): > > then you’re a moron > [@](#): > > you’re a complete and total fuckwit. I will say that the last reference was to insure that someone would get the meaning, my mistake was that anyone here would be able to see it for what it really was, I do apologize! Now to go back and read that list of rules again! ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2014, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-doesnt-like-the-us-1st-amendment/691392/263 "2014-07-03T17:54:39Z")
You’re taking offense at a little name-calling…and _they’re_ the “delicate creatures?” How does that work? ---
**Author:** ![OurLordPeace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/e8c25b/32.png) [@OurLordPeace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OurLordPeace)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2014, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-doesnt-like-the-us-1st-amendment/691392/264 "2014-07-03T17:59:48Z")
> [@WWhiskey](#): > > That’s a lot, from the “huh?” you posted, I would like to know who could extrapolate that question from “Huh?” > > why is it we send troops to distant shit holes to die for others right to vote, all the while not vetting the people who vote for politicians that send them there in the first place? > But you didn’t want a question, you wanted an answer I suppose, well I typed it all out, then decided not to post it, to many delicate creatures around here that like to call me names and say stuff like or this beauty , > > I will say that the last reference was to insure that someone would get the meaning, my mistake was that anyone here would be able to see it for what it really was, I do apologize! > Now to go back and read that list of rules again! Troops are sent to “distant shit holes” to kill, and occasionally die, for various reasons, but others’ right to vote has nothing to do with it. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2014, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-doesnt-like-the-us-1st-amendment/691392/265 "2014-07-03T18:49:13Z")
> [@WWhiskey](#): > > why is it we send troops to distant shit holes to die for others right to vote, all the while not vetting the people who vote for politicians that send them there in the first place? Why is it that you refuse to address the points I - or anyone else - have made? Again, let me quote from [ABCnews.com](http://ABCnews.com): > [@](#): > > Out of the 197 million votes cast for federal candidates between 2002 and 2005, only 40 voters were indicted for voter fraud, according to a Department of Justice study outlined during a 2006 Congressional hearing. Only 26 of those cases, or about .00000013 percent of the votes cast, resulted in convictions or guilty pleas. So how would IDs prevent voter fraud? The majority of fraud were either genuine mistakes, or concerned absentee ballots. How would ID have prevented that? ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2014, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-doesnt-like-the-us-1st-amendment/691392/266 "2014-07-03T19:08:43Z")
> [@Superdude](#): > > So how would IDs prevent voter fraud? The majority of fraud were either genuine mistakes, or concerned absentee ballots. How would ID have prevented that? Because, Freedom isnt free ---
**Author:** ![WWhiskey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f9ae1b/32.png) [@WWhiskey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WWhiskey)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2014, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-doesnt-like-the-us-1st-amendment/691392/267 "2014-07-03T19:39:47Z")
> [@Superdude](#): > > Why is it that you refuse to address the points I - or anyone else - have made? Again, let me quote from [ABCnews.com](http://ABCnews.com): > > So how would IDs prevent voter fraud? The majority of fraud were either genuine mistakes, or concerned absentee ballots. How would ID have prevented that? I don’t believe your premise. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2014, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-doesnt-like-the-us-1st-amendment/691392/268 "2014-07-03T19:57:58Z")
Facts, are. Inconvenient. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2014, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-doesnt-like-the-us-1st-amendment/691392/269 "2014-07-03T20:09:00Z")
> [@WWhiskey](#): > > I don’t believe your premise. I’m with ya there, man. Start believing facts and who knows far down the rabbit hole that may lead? ---
**Author:** ![WWhiskey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f9ae1b/32.png) [@WWhiskey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WWhiskey)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2014, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-doesnt-like-the-us-1st-amendment/691392/270 "2014-07-03T21:08:55Z")
> [@](#): > > only 40 voters were indicted for voter fraud, according to a Department of Justice study out . So how many drunk drivers are their in the US? And how many are indicted? How many shoplifters are there? How many are indicted? How many underage smokers are there? How many are indicted? How many underage drinkers? How many have been indicted? Now tell me how all the instances of voter fraud were reported and 40 is the final number? ---
**Author:** ![Debillw3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3bc359/32.png) [@Debillw3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Debillw3)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2014, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-doesnt-like-the-us-1st-amendment/691392/271 "2014-07-03T21:21:17Z")
> [@Phatzo](#): > > OK I got the title wrong as CNN are a private corporation and I’m an Aussie and we don’t really know squat about the US constitution or Bill of Rights. But don’t you agree that removing the post seems to imply that they have their own dog in this somewhere? Of all the posts in this thread, **this one** confuzzled me the most. I understand not understanding the First Amendment if you’re not an American. But for the love of all things cheddar cheese and pork sausage, why would you call something a violation of a law you admittedly know nothing about? And then your first reaction after seeing what you perceive as a total disregard of the First Amendment (about which, again, you admittedly know nothing) isn’t to read the First Amendment, but rather to publicly accuse someone of violating it. Can someone explain this logic to me? I’m not actually capable of comprehending it as it’s written here. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2014, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-doesnt-like-the-us-1st-amendment/691392/272 "2014-07-03T21:33:57Z")
Hey. it’d be great if every person who commits voter fraud could be instantly identified and efficiently prosecuted _with no chance whatsoever that a legitimate voter will lose their vote in the process_. As it is, people who are not driving drunk do occasionally get falsely arrested for it. People who are not shoplifters get accused of shoplifting. People who look too young and drink are asked for ID even if they are over 18 or 21 or whatever. It’s acceptable since drunk driving, shoplifting and underage smoking and drinking are all more serious than voter fraud, in their scales and effects. ---
**Author:** ![WWhiskey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f9ae1b/32.png) [@WWhiskey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WWhiskey)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2014, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-doesnt-like-the-us-1st-amendment/691392/273 "2014-07-03T22:15:48Z")
The last part is were we differ, I think voting is easily as important as anything you can do, just my opinion tho. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2014, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-doesnt-like-the-us-1st-amendment/691392/274 "2014-07-03T23:34:32Z")
Voting IS important. But why would someone risk that kind of penalty (prison) for _one_ vote? On a small scale, voter fraud isn’t even effective. What do you find to disbelieve in my premise? Is it the [ABCnews.com](http://ABCnews.com) story? Should I cite others? Because I can. But what does it take for you to at least attempt to believe my premise? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2014, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-doesnt-like-the-us-1st-amendment/691392/275 "2014-07-03T23:59:01Z")
> [@WWhiskey](#): > > The last part is were we differ, I think voting is easily as important as anything you can do, just my opinion tho. Great, but I wasn’t talking about voting, I was talking about voting fraud. ---
**Author:** ![WWhiskey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f9ae1b/32.png) [@WWhiskey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WWhiskey)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2014, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-doesnt-like-the-us-1st-amendment/691392/276 "2014-07-04T00:27:51Z")
> [@Superdude](#): > > Voting IS important. But why would someone risk that kind of penalty (prison) for _one_ vote? On a small scale, voter fraud isn’t even effective. > > What do you find to disbelieve in my premise? Is it the [ABCnews.com](http://ABCnews.com) story? Should I cite others? Because I can. But what does it take for you to at least attempt to believe my premise? You can’t just accept that I don’t ? Your not going to sell me that not having ID is better than having it, and I’m not going to sell you on voter iD either, you can also trivialize my point as long as you want but your right to vote is not , in theory or fact, lost by voter ID, you have one vote, no one is stoping you from making it count by demanding ID. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2014, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-doesnt-like-the-us-1st-amendment/691392/277 "2014-07-04T01:34:46Z")
And no one is stealing your vote now. No one. No one. No. One. ---
**Author:** ![UncaThomas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/c77e96/32.png) [@UncaThomas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncaThomas)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2014, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-doesnt-like-the-us-1st-amendment/691392/278 "2014-07-04T17:08:12Z")
[quote=“Bryan\_Ekers, post:194, topic:691392”] I understand “well-regulated” (it’s not a particularly complex concept, after all), [quote] Interestingly enough, some people think “well-regulated” means supervised by and authorized by the government. They are probably unaware of the “well-regulated” militias formed independently by colonists such as George Mason that were actually opposed to the government of the time. > [@](#): > > I have no problem with such laws recognizing and imposing a limitation to the 2nd as a matter of public safety, akin to the 1st Amendment not covering certain kinds of speech. Following your logic then, if someone were convicted of yelling “Fire!” in a crowded theater then their right to free speech would be permanently abridged. Someone convicted of voter fraud would have their implicit right to vote permanently suspended. Is there any other inalienable right that is never restored to a person convicted of violating a common sense restriction on that right? I am not aware of any. > [@](#): > > I see a potential problem with letting ex-felons buy guns, and am unbemused by people who agree. . Is there any doubt that a convicted felon intent on procuring a firearm could not easily do so within 48 hours of release from prison? Theft, black market firearms, straw purchases or getting a firearm from a fellow criminal are all possibilities. Now it’s possible to 3d print a serviceable handgun that will shoot long enough to do a job. They used to make zip guns out of car antennae in the bad old NYC gang days. Seems smarter to have an ex-felon go through the normal Form 4473 procedure. At least that way you know what he has. ---
**Author:** ![UncaThomas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/c77e96/32.png) [@UncaThomas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncaThomas)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2014, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-doesnt-like-the-us-1st-amendment/691392/279 "2014-07-04T17:09:25Z")
> [@Mr.Miskatonic](#): > > You really are not very good at this, are you? Admittedly, I am not that good at Snark. I should leave it to professionals such as yourself. ---
**Author:** ![UncaThomas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/c77e96/32.png) [@UncaThomas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncaThomas)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2014, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-doesnt-like-the-us-1st-amendment/691392/280 "2014-07-04T17:10:33Z")
> [@andros](#): > > Aw, be kind. The poor feller has a great big hammer, and everything looks like a nail. Or this fellow. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-doesnt-like-the-us-1st-amendment/691392.md?page=13) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-doesnt-like-the-us-1st-amendment/691392.md?page=15)