# CNN doesn't like the US 1st amendment **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 22, 2014, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-doesnt-like-the-us-1st-amendment/691392 "2014-06-22T21:59:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2014, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-doesnt-like-the-us-1st-amendment/691392/301 "2014-07-07T00:37:18Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > No, he fosters fear like: Oh no, I don’t understand it! I’m afraid of it! Where’s my pills! You all should be afraid of it, too! Yeah, that “I don’t get it, it don’t make no sense to normal Joes like me and you!” attitude is something I’ve always found personally disturbing. ---
**Author:** ![WWhiskey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f9ae1b/32.png) [@WWhiskey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WWhiskey)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2014, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-doesnt-like-the-us-1st-amendment/691392/302 "2014-07-07T01:42:22Z")
The one thing you can’t argue is how voter ID infringes on your rights, unless your one of those who refuses to gain some sort of ID in order to vote, while my position as a voter in an area where ID is required can argue that it isn’t fair that I must show it while others do not, well you can argue it. But you wouldn’t win in court! ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2014, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-doesnt-like-the-us-1st-amendment/691392/303 "2014-07-07T01:52:19Z")
> [@WWhiskey](#): > > The one thing you can’t argue is how voter ID infringes on your rights, unless your one of those who refuses to gain some sort of ID in order to vote, while my position as a voter in an area where ID is required can argue that it isn’t fair that I must show it while others do not, well you can argue it. But you wouldn’t win in court! Actually, I specifically cited a court case where voter ID lost. [Here’s another one](http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Federal-judges-reject-Texas-Voter-ID-law-3827727.php), which _specifically_ brings up how onerous it is for some to acquire photo ID. > [@](#): > > “Texas, seeking to implement its voter ID law, bears the burden of proof and must therefore show that SB 14 lacks retrogressive effect,” the judges wrote. "But as we have found, everything Texas has submitted as affirmative evidence is unpersuasive, invalid, or both. Moreover, uncontested record evidence conclusively shows that the implicit costs of obtaining SB 14-qualifying ID will fall most heavily on the poor and that a disproportionately high percentage of African Americans and Hispanics in Texas live in poverty. We therefore conclude that SB 14 is likely to lead to “retrogression in the position of racial minorities with respect to their effective exercise of the electoral franchise.” > > State Sen. Carlos Uresti, D-San Antonio, testified that some of his constituents in a sweeping border district between San Antonio and El Paso would have to drive up to 120 miles to receive Department of Public Safety-issued driver’s license or identification card. > > About 80 Texas counties have no DPS driver’s license office, which could make it difficult for Texans without a driver’s license to get a Voter ID card. Low income neighborhoods in metro areas also have few DPS offices. 120 miles. Yeah, that’s real easy - especially for people with jobs. Personally, I don’t care that voter ID infringes on rights. That’s the tricky part about it - it puts an undue and unnecessary burden on the poor, but it’s easy enough to argue, “Well, if they _really_ wanted to vote, they would have done something 9/10 Americans did already and got ID”. It makes it easy to reframe it into a “those lazy poor people, can’t be bothered to put in the tiny bit of work needed to get ID, why should we care if they can vote or not?” Never mind that for many, getting ID is a gigantic pain in the ass. It may be constitutional, but that doesn’t make it a good law, and that doesn’t make it any less of a partisan attack on voting rights. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2014, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-doesnt-like-the-us-1st-amendment/691392/304 "2014-07-07T01:53:17Z")
> [@WWhiskey](#): > > The one thing you can’t argue is how voter ID infringes on your rights, unless your one of those who refuses to gain some sort of ID in order to vote, while my position as a voter in an area where ID is required can argue that it isn’t fair that I must show it while others do not, well you can argue it. But you wouldn’t win in court! Are you running your posts through Google Translate or something? ---
**Author:** ![WWhiskey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f9ae1b/32.png) [@WWhiskey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WWhiskey)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2014, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-doesnt-like-the-us-1st-amendment/691392/305 "2014-07-07T02:23:07Z")
I don’t use Google! ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2014, 8:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-doesnt-like-the-us-1st-amendment/691392/306 "2014-07-07T08:42:18Z")
> [@WWhiskey](#): > > I don’t use Google! Obviously. ---
**Author:** ![WWhiskey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f9ae1b/32.png) [@WWhiskey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WWhiskey)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2014, 9:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-doesnt-like-the-us-1st-amendment/691392/307 "2014-07-07T09:15:53Z")
It’s a new program to help infuriate ex school teachers and such while distracting them from the actual topic of conversation, it’s called the Acyrologia protocol ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2014, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-doesnt-like-the-us-1st-amendment/691392/308 "2014-07-07T14:20:17Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Yeah, that “I don’t get it, it don’t make no sense to normal Joes like me and you!” attitude is something I’ve always found personally disturbing. El Rushbo’s been swiping at some low-hanging World Cup fruit with that very angle. “Oh, the US lost, but it still won! So a loss is a win and a tie is a win! Numbers are confusing, this game is stoopid huhr huhr!” I mean, it’s a level of deliberate ignorance on the level of “mototherfuckin magnets, how do they work,” except Rush only cultivates it for the sake of his listener base. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2014, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-doesnt-like-the-us-1st-amendment/691392/309 "2014-07-07T14:40:07Z")
> [@WWhiskey](#): > > Voter impersonation fraud is so rare as to be negligible > > I still am not buying this as an excuse! An excuse for what? Voter ID laws disenfranchise other people. If you want to fix a problem, _you must first establish whether the problem exists_. Let’s say I decided that killer penguins are a serious problem in Florida and that the government should do something about it. I call my state legislators and demand that they pass legislation to protect me from killer penguins. They introduce a bill in the legislature. Now, let’s say somebody doesn’t want to pay for the proposed killer penguin defense program. They start asking my legislators whether there have been any killer penguin attacks. Of course, they are unable to provide any evidence, because the problem doesn’t exist. In the sensible world, that would be the end of my anti-killer elephant program. But in the world of those who’ve been suckered in by Limbaugh and company, it wouldn’t be. Instead, it would be evidence of a conspiracy to cover up killer penguin attacks. They’ll start asking opponents questions like “why are you defending killer penguins?” and “why would anybody possibly oppose legislation that protects us from deadly killer penguins?” “What are they _really_ protecting?” Suddenly, to anyone that hasn’t really paid attention, the people asking difficult questions about the killer penguin program are The Enemy. So they back off. The legislation passes (the Florida legislature being Republican-dominated), and the killer penguins are stopped. You, **WWhiskey** , are _the victim_. You’ve heard just enough about killer penguins to make them seem plausible, and you can’t see a down side to killer penguin defense. By the time people give you facts, you’re so married to the anti-killer penguin side that you are no longer able to rationally consider the issue. But you’re safe from killer penguins, even if they never existed in the first place. ---
**Author:** ![WWhiskey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f9ae1b/32.png) [@WWhiskey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WWhiskey)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2014, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-doesnt-like-the-us-1st-amendment/691392/310 "2014-07-07T15:23:48Z")
Damn killer penguins! ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2014, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-doesnt-like-the-us-1st-amendment/691392/311 "2014-07-07T15:50:26Z")
Penguin defense can be adequately addressed by personal concealed-carry laws. “Taste my Magnum, Opus!” ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2014, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-doesnt-like-the-us-1st-amendment/691392/312 "2014-07-07T15:59:58Z")
Indictment pending. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2014, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-doesnt-like-the-us-1st-amendment/691392/313 "2014-07-07T17:44:53Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > \ killer penguins\ killer penguins. \ killer penguin \killer penguin… **anti-killer elephant program**. \ killer penguin attacks\killer penguins\ killer penguins\ killer penguin\ killer penguins\ killer penguins\killer penguin \anti-killer penguin \killer penguins. You’re bringing a killer _elephant_ to a killer penguin fight? Snipping and emphasis mine ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2014, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-doesnt-like-the-us-1st-amendment/691392/314 "2014-07-07T20:51:16Z")
> [@Superdude](#): > > You’re bringing a killer _elephant_ to a killer penguin fight? > > Snipping and emphasis mine That’s like bringing a Ganondorf to a Super Smash Bros Brawl fight. You just. Don’t. Do. It. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2014, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-doesnt-like-the-us-1st-amendment/691392/315 "2014-07-08T16:43:38Z")
> [@Superdude](#): > > You’re bringing a killer _elephant_ to a killer penguin fight? > > Snipping and emphasis mine Originally it was killer elephants, but I thought penguins sounded better. Apparently I should have “find and replace”-d. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2014, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-doesnt-like-the-us-1st-amendment/691392/316 "2014-07-08T16:49:58Z")
So you missed an elephant, huh? Not something they’re used to, I’m sure. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2014, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-doesnt-like-the-us-1st-amendment/691392/317 "2014-07-08T17:00:27Z")
A killer elephant, no less. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2014, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-doesnt-like-the-us-1st-amendment/691392/318 "2014-07-08T17:02:17Z")
No one talks about elephants when they’re in the room. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-doesnt-like-the-us-1st-amendment/691392.md?page=15)