# CNN doesn't like the US 1st amendment **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 22, 2014, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-doesnt-like-the-us-1st-amendment/691392 "2014-06-22T21:59:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2014, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-doesnt-like-the-us-1st-amendment/691392/81 "2014-06-24T02:47:59Z")
Eh, the guy appealed to _Heller._ Heller was a revisionist decision, and I’m afraid I cannot, for political as well as common-sense reasons, give it the respect people want it to have. ---
**Author:** ![jfreakofkorn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ecc23a/32.png) [@jfreakofkorn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jfreakofkorn)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2014, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-doesnt-like-the-us-1st-amendment/691392/82 "2014-06-24T13:50:01Z")
the Constitution in a living breathing document, so with anyone in Office, **needs** to protect and obey it its for the people and to the people of this nation … it has a set of laws that were made for a reason and not to be rewritten for ones self and with the ID question, when you go pay a bill or cash a cheque or use a credit card. what do they ask for …?? should be the same in voting … and plus the DMV issues IDs to anyone that can prove that they are a resident of a state … ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Panda](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ee7513/32.png) [@Darth\_Panda](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Panda)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2014, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-doesnt-like-the-us-1st-amendment/691392/83 "2014-06-24T13:58:21Z")
> [@jfreakofkorn](#): > > the Constitution in a living breathing document, so with anyone in Office, **needs** to protect and obey it Not sure what you’re going for here, but let’s move on. > [@jfreakofkorn](#): > > its for the people and to the people of this nation … To the people? Kind of new, but whatever. > [@jfreakofkorn](#): > > it has a set of laws that were made for a reason and not to be rewritten for ones self Umm, OK - actually, they are meant to be rewritten, that’s why there’s a process for amendment. But it does need to be for more than 1 person, hence the voting. > [@jfreakofkorn](#): > > and with the ID question, when you go pay a bill or cash a cheque or use a credit card. what do they ask for …?? should be the same in voting … A signature is what is typically what is asked for when paying by credit card - so I agree with you here. > [@jfreakofkorn](#): > > and plus the DMV issues IDs to anyone that can prove that they are a resident of a state … This isn’t really true, but it’s irrelevant since you don’t think an ID should be required. ---
**Author:** ![jfreakofkorn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ecc23a/32.png) [@jfreakofkorn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jfreakofkorn)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2014, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-doesnt-like-the-us-1st-amendment/691392/84 "2014-06-24T14:07:23Z")
heck, i am for IDs and if you can not prove or provide one … exit out of the door that you came in at ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Panda](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ee7513/32.png) [@Darth\_Panda](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Panda)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2014, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-doesnt-like-the-us-1st-amendment/691392/85 "2014-06-24T14:16:30Z")
> [@jfreakofkorn](#): > > heck, i am for IDs and if you can not prove or provide one … exit out of the door that you came in at I thought you said voting should have the same requirements as paying for something by credit card? Why the sudden change of heart? ---
**Author:** ![jfreakofkorn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ecc23a/32.png) [@jfreakofkorn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jfreakofkorn)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2014, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-doesnt-like-the-us-1st-amendment/691392/86 "2014-06-24T14:22:13Z")
should be the same as in showing ID ID is requirement to cash a cheque or using a major credit card at a retailer ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2014, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-doesnt-like-the-us-1st-amendment/691392/87 "2014-06-24T14:54:13Z")
Must be an American thing. I’ve used major credit cards at multiple retailers for decades. Only rarely does a clerk even go so far as to glance at the signature on the card. Now with PIN technology and tap technology, even that’s falling away. ---
**Author:** ![Cyros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a698b9/32.png) [@Cyros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cyros)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2014, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-doesnt-like-the-us-1st-amendment/691392/88 "2014-06-24T15:05:26Z")
While retailers can ask for ID [Mastercard and VISA](http://www.creditcards.com/credit-card-news/can-retailers-ask-id-with-credit_card-1282.php) expressly forbid requiring it to complete the transaction as long as the card is signed. Discover allows a retailer to require an ID but who uses Discover anyway. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2014, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-doesnt-like-the-us-1st-amendment/691392/89 "2014-06-24T15:42:18Z")
> [@jfreakofkorn](#): > > heck, i am for IDs and if you can not prove or provide one … exit out of the door that you came in at 😕 I’ll mention it to my mom, but I’m much bigger now. I don’t think she’ll be happy about it. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2014, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-doesnt-like-the-us-1st-amendment/691392/90 "2014-06-24T15:51:07Z")
It’s ridiculous that a major political party needs to actively discourage and prevent people from voting in order to stay in power. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2014, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-doesnt-like-the-us-1st-amendment/691392/91 "2014-06-24T16:04:00Z")
> [@jfreakofkorn](#): > > heck, i am for IDs and if you can not prove or provide one … exit out of the door that you came in at As mentioned above, here are the requirements to vote in a [federal election](http://www.elections.ca/content.aspx?section=vot&dir=ids&document=index&lang=e) in Canada: > [@](#): > > Option 1 > > Show one original piece of identification with your photo, name and address. It must be issued by a government agency. > > Examples > •Driver’s Licence > •Health Card (with photo and address) > •Provincial/Territorial Identification Card > > Option 2 > > Show two original pieces of authorized identification. Both pieces must have your name and one must also have your address. > > Identity Cards > •Driver’s Licence > •Health Card > •Canadian Passport > •Certificate of Canadian Citizenship (Citizenship Card) > •Birth Certificate > •Certificate of Indian Status (Status Card) > •Social Insurance Number Card > •Old Age Security Card > •Student ID Card > •Provincial/Territorial Identification Card > •Liquor Identification Card > •Hospital/Medical Clinic Card > •Credit/Debit Card > •Employee Card > •Public Transportation Card > •Library Card > •Canadian Forces Identity Card > •Veterans Affairs Canada Health Card > •Canadian Blood Services/Héma-Québec Card > •CNIB ID Card > •Firearm Possession and Acquisition Licence or Possession Only Licence > •Fishing, Trapping or Hunting Licence > •Outdoors or Wildlife Card/Licence > •Hospital bracelet worn by residents of long-term care facilities > •Parolee Identification Card > > Original documents > (with name and address) > •Utility Bill (telephone, TV, public utilities commission, hydro, gas or water) > •Bank/Credit Card Statement > •Vehicle Ownership/Insurance > •Correspondence issued by a school, college or university > •Statement of Government Benefits (employment insurance, old age security, social assistance, disability support or child tax benefit) > •Attestation of Residence issued by the responsible authority of a First Nations band or reserve > •Government Cheque or Cheque Stub > •Pension Plan Statement of Benefits, Contributions or Participation > •Residential Lease/Mortgage Statement > •Income/Property Tax Assessment Notice > •Insurance Policy > •Letter from a public curator, public guardian or public trustee > •One of the following, issued by the responsible authority of a shelter, soup kitchen, student/senior residence, or long-term care facility: Attestation of Residence, Letter of Stay, Admission Form or Statement of Benefits > > Notes: > 1.For electors residing in seniors’ residences and long-term care facilities, a photocopy of an item on the list is acceptable. This exception is made to address the fact that when residents are admitted, they routinely transfer their original ID to the administrator or to members of their family. > > 2.A document with an address may be used as proof of the elector’s residential address only if it was written by the issuer of the document. For example, a passport cannot be used as proof of address because the address is filled in by the passport holder. A passport can still be used to prove your name. > > 3.No document other than those included on this list may be accepted to establish the name and address of an elector. > Option 3 > > Take an oath and have an elector who knows you vouch for you (both of you will be required to make a sworn statement). This person must have authorized identification and their name must appear on the list of electors in the same polling division as you. This person can only vouch for one person and the person who is vouched for cannot vouch for another elector. > > Examples: a neighbour, your roommate. I have no problem with similar requirements in this country. I don’t see why this wouldn’t also satisfy you. ---
**Author:** ![A\_nice\_guy\_with\_an\_opinion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/76d3ee/32.png) [@A\_nice\_guy\_with\_an\_opinion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/A_nice_guy_with_an_opinion)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2014, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-doesnt-like-the-us-1st-amendment/691392/92 "2014-06-24T16:07:03Z")
If Luis Gutiérrez is against something, isn’t it obvious it is something most Americans would support? ---
**Author:** ![A\_nice\_guy\_with\_an\_opinion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/76d3ee/32.png) [@A\_nice\_guy\_with\_an\_opinion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/A_nice_guy_with_an_opinion)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2014, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-doesnt-like-the-us-1st-amendment/691392/93 "2014-06-24T16:09:46Z")
He makes a great case for voter ID here. Of course he doesn’t realize it though. He doesn’t want people that look like Selena gomez or Justin Beiber to have to show ID, but he proves that you can’t tell by looking. ID is the right thing to do. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/DZbMdFUFAro/hqdefault.jpg "Gutierrez: "Pick Out The Immigrant" Speech on Arizona Law w/ Justin Bieber + Selena Gomez") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZbMdFUFAro) ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2014, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-doesnt-like-the-us-1st-amendment/691392/94 "2014-06-24T16:16:54Z")
> [@jfreakofkorn](#): > > and with the ID question, when you go pay a bill or cash a cheque or use a credit card. what do they ask for …?? should be the same in voting … This appears to presuppose that no one is disenfranchised from participating in the economy, or that if anyone is, it’s acceptable for such persons to be politically disenfranchised as well. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2014, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-doesnt-like-the-us-1st-amendment/691392/95 "2014-06-24T16:21:02Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > This appears to presuppose that no one is disenfranchised from the economy, or that if anyone is, it’s acceptable for such persons to be politically disenfranchised as well. Exactly. See: check cashing businesses. See also: credit card application denials. See also: when was the last time you were asked for an ID to use a credit card? And not at a hotel or overseas? It’s been at least a few years for me. Swipe and go. The issuing bank is expected to sort out identity fraud issues these days. ---
**Author:** ![A\_nice\_guy\_with\_an\_opinion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/76d3ee/32.png) [@A\_nice\_guy\_with\_an\_opinion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/A_nice_guy_with_an_opinion)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2014, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-doesnt-like-the-us-1st-amendment/691392/96 "2014-06-24T16:36:43Z")
You trust the “bank”? ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2014, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-doesnt-like-the-us-1st-amendment/691392/97 "2014-06-24T16:45:49Z")
nm ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2014, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-doesnt-like-the-us-1st-amendment/691392/98 "2014-06-24T17:23:29Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > See also: when was the last time you were asked for an ID to use a credit card? And not at a hotel or overseas? It’s been at least a few years for me. Swipe and go. The issuing bank is expected to sort out identity fraud issues these days. Never at a major retailer, but all the time and smaller ma & pop places or local chains. It annoys me and I sometimes feel like pointing out it’s against their merchant agreement to require ID, but I know that’s not going to get me anywhere, so I just shut up and show my ID. ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Panda](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ee7513/32.png) [@Darth\_Panda](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Panda)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2014, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-doesnt-like-the-us-1st-amendment/691392/99 "2014-06-24T17:32:00Z")
> [@Cyros](#): > > Discover allows a retailer to require an ID but who uses Discover anyway. Apparently, not illegal immigrants 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Panda](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ee7513/32.png) [@Darth\_Panda](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Panda)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2014, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-doesnt-like-the-us-1st-amendment/691392/100 "2014-06-24T17:36:07Z")
> [@jfreakofkorn](#): > > should be the same as in showing ID > > ID is requirement to cash a cheque or using a major credit card at a retailer So you’re saying that if using a credit requires an ID, then obviously voting and credit card are similar enough that they should have the same requirements. But if it turns out that you don’t need an ID to use a credit card, then obviously you can’t compare those two things when it comes to what should be needed because they’re totally different. Basically, you’re a disingenuous piece of shit who doesn’t think things through at all and just hopes that the facts will work out to fit his preconceived notions because you’re too fucking stupid to reason your way toward an outcome that makes sense, let alone come with any kind of argument with an ounce of logic behind it . [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-doesnt-like-the-us-1st-amendment/691392.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-doesnt-like-the-us-1st-amendment/691392.md?page=6)