# CNN doesn't like the US 1st amendment **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 22, 2014, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-doesnt-like-the-us-1st-amendment/691392 "2014-06-22T21:59:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2014, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-doesnt-like-the-us-1st-amendment/691392/121 "2014-06-25T17:51:13Z")
> [@jfreakofkorn](#): > > its their policy ( and not hers ) and management said that it was a requirement According to Visa and Mastercard’s agreement, the retailer can ask for ID if they want to. They just can’t _require_ it for the transaction. A signature is enough and requiring more is in breach of their merchant agreement. That said, it doesn’t seem to me that merchant agreements are very well-policed as, before they changed a year or two ago, retailers used to enforce “minimum purchase” requirements for credit cards and credit card surcharges, which were also expressly forbidden by these agreements. ---
**Author:** ![jfreakofkorn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ecc23a/32.png) [@jfreakofkorn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jfreakofkorn)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2014, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-doesnt-like-the-us-1st-amendment/691392/122 "2014-06-25T18:29:22Z")
> [@Darth\_Panda](#): > > I’m touchy with big words? Are you implying something untoward? > > you don’t even understand why I’m insulting you. because i dont give a flying fuck … 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2014, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-doesnt-like-the-us-1st-amendment/691392/123 "2014-06-25T18:42:56Z")
> [@WWhiskey](#): > > Why does it matter that your vote is not? > I guess you didn’t read my statement or chose to,ignore the reason already posted! > Why does it matter if I show ID to buy a gun? Yet owning guns is constitutionally protected. > > I’m not asking for my vote to be protected in anyway other than it has a fair chance at counting as one, the only way I know to do so is to make sure no one else votes more than once or that the dead don’t continue to vote , that someone who is not eligible to vote does so, if you have a better way, by all means enlighten us. You are arguing that there is no right to vote, yes? Voting is merely a privilege which you may be lucky enough to enjoy - or not. If that’s the case, then you don’t get to complain about the manner in which you enjoy it. If other people can’t vote at all, then you have no claim to “a fair chance” that your vote is counted. ---
**Author:** ![Club\_33](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/df705f/32.png) [@Club\_33](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Club_33)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2014, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-doesnt-like-the-us-1st-amendment/691392/124 "2014-06-25T19:00:03Z")
> [@jfreakofkorn](#): > > because i dont give a flying fuck … 😃 This post suggests that you might not even be old enough (emotionally, at least) to post on this board. Perhaps showing your ID would help to convince us. ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Panda](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ee7513/32.png) [@Darth\_Panda](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Panda)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2014, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-doesnt-like-the-us-1st-amendment/691392/125 "2014-06-25T19:17:10Z")
> [@jfreakofkorn](#): > > because i dont give a flying fuck … 😃 Your least stupid post to date, at least in my book. It’s a low bar though. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2014, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-doesnt-like-the-us-1st-amendment/691392/126 "2014-06-25T19:19:50Z")
> [@UncaThomas](#): > > It’s not just non-citizens either. > > How would one know it is not broken if no one ever checked to see if it was working? > > How about a few examples of voter fraud in general? > > The '08 Franken/Coleman Senate race was investigated by Minnesota Majority; they found that 1,099 felons had voted in the race. Over 170 have been convicted with 50+ awaiting trial. This was a close race; a thousand felons could fraudulently have tipped it one way or the other. [Kinda](http://www.minnpost.com/politics-policy/2010/07/franken-coleman-senate-recount-flap-over-felon-votes-shows-gop-playing-fast-) [bullshit propaganda from the GOP.](http://electionlawblog.org/archives/016434.html) > [@](#): > > An NAACP official in Mississippi is in jail for fraudulently casting absentee ballots. Same for two people in Indiana, one that was a candidate for Mayor. She cast 10 whole votes. She got caught. She will spend years in prison. Big haul, huh? She should have O’keefe as a cellmate. > [@](#): > > James O’Keefe/Project Veritas easily obtaining ballots in DC claiming to be Bill Maher. O’Keefe got a ballot by pretending to be someone else. He never voted and there were several landmines he could have encountered had he tried using that ballot (#1 being if the person whose ballot he took had come out to vote.) ---
**Author:** ![WWhiskey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f9ae1b/32.png) [@WWhiskey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WWhiskey)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2014, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-doesnt-like-the-us-1st-amendment/691392/127 "2014-06-25T19:31:19Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > You are arguing that there is no right to vote, yes? Voting is merely a privilege which you may be lucky enough to enjoy - or not. If that’s the case, then you don’t get to complain about the manner in which you enjoy it. If other people can’t vote at all, then you have no claim to “a fair chance” that your vote is counted. you have no Right to drive, yet you are allowed to do so once you have been vetted and found to be eligible to do so, We do many things in this country that we have no constitutional right to do, the constitution is a list of limitations on government,or at least it was, the bill of rights is a list of unalienable rights, the rights of the people are not limited to those, this government however chooses to qualify us before some rights are established, IE a drivers license, the governments other responsibilities include protection from fraud and in every case but voting it does so by ID. some people are not allowed to vote either because of state or possibly federal regulations IE felons are not allowed to vote in many states, fair or not, it is the law, I haven’t seen the SC strike that down yet! if my rights violate yours, then we have a problem but my will to have an ID presented before voting in no way limits your right to vote, it harms you in no way, voters are not disenfranchised by voter ID laws, some might argue that they would be but as of yet none have done so on any grounds other than failure to afford the Id in question, so yes, it should be free and yes, it should be mandatory if you argue that a federal Id is unconstitutional then refuse to receive one, the only thing you give up, is the right to vote, refuse to get a drivers license and the only consequence is, you give up the right to drive! ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2014, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-doesnt-like-the-us-1st-amendment/691392/128 "2014-06-25T22:48:55Z")
I guess it’s a good thing we no longer allow literacy tests. ---
**Author:** ![WWhiskey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f9ae1b/32.png) [@WWhiskey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WWhiskey)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2014, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-doesnt-like-the-us-1st-amendment/691392/129 "2014-06-25T23:31:18Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > I guess it’s a good thing we no longer allow literacy tests. Yes it is, otherwise I might not have the ability to vote. is it a problem for you that an uneducated black man does have that right? ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2014, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-doesnt-like-the-us-1st-amendment/691392/130 "2014-06-26T00:01:19Z")
> [@WWhiskey](#): > > I’m a firm believer in the equal right to exorcize your rights as granted in the constitution, voting or owning guns, the op ( or the original op at least )is simply pointing out that voting is not an explicit right granted under it, owning guns is, yet we must jump threw numerous hoops to do one while nearly none to do the other, I’d propose equal qualifications for both ! Anyone with an argument to equal ability to exercise rights? Actually, that part of the quote in the OP is incorrect, which may be why it was removed. I refer you to amendments XV, XIX (how could one miss that famous one), XXIV and XXVI. These are in fact very explicit about a right to vote. The only way to ignore their validity is if you refuse to recognize any amendments that were passed after 1800. ---
**Author:** ![WWhiskey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f9ae1b/32.png) [@WWhiskey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WWhiskey)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2014, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-doesnt-like-the-us-1st-amendment/691392/131 "2014-06-26T00:32:39Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Actually, that part of the quote in the OP is incorrect, which may be why it was removed. I refer you to amendments XV, XIX (how could one miss that famous one), XXIV and XXVI. These are in fact very explicit about a right to vote. The only way to ignore their validity is if you refuse to recognize any amendments that were passed after 1800. Limitations on the ability of state to restrict voting on the basis of color,XV ,sex,XIX, poll tax,XXIV, or age, XXVI, is not a right to vote, it is a restriction on the ability to restrict it, none of which has anything to do with voter ID You could easily argue that the state doesn’t have the right to restrict you ability to obtain a drivers license under the same amendments, except XXIV ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2014, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-doesnt-like-the-us-1st-amendment/691392/132 "2014-06-26T01:15:22Z")
> [@WWhiskey](#): > > Limitations on the ability of state to restrict voting on the basis of color,XV ,sex,XIX, > poll tax,XXIV, or age, XXVI, is not a right to vote, it is a restriction on the ability to restrict it, none of which has anything to do with voter ID > You could easily argue that the state doesn’t have the right to restrict you ability to obtain a drivers license under the same amendments, except XXIV But each if those amendments literally (in the literal sense of “literally”) say _The right of citizens to vote shall not be abridged …_ There is nothing implicit in that, they state that there is a right to vote in no uncertain terms. You cannot even sort of compare that to the privilege to operate a motor vehicle (which in no state is described as a right). ---
**Author:** ![WWhiskey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f9ae1b/32.png) [@WWhiskey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WWhiskey)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2014, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-doesnt-like-the-us-1st-amendment/691392/133 "2014-06-26T01:17:33Z")
Well find the right in the constitution, not the qualifier but be aware, the SC says your wrong! ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2014, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-doesnt-like-the-us-1st-amendment/691392/134 "2014-06-26T01:43:52Z")
> [@WWhiskey](#): > > is it a problem for you that an uneducated black man does have that right? Hardly. Uneducated black people are among those _most_ likely to be disenfranchised by voter ID laws. ---
**Author:** ![UncaThomas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/c77e96/32.png) [@UncaThomas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncaThomas)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2014, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-doesnt-like-the-us-1st-amendment/691392/135 "2014-06-26T02:18:44Z")
> [@OurLordPeace](#): > > Most Americans don’t realize how many people out there cannot fulfill the voter ID requirements. It’s a question of privilege; people are often blind to their own, and blind to others’ lack of privilege. It’s not a question of privilege at all. It’s a question of opportunity. All citizens of the US are privileged to have the opportunity to become whatever they choose to become. It’s a country where anyone willing to work for it can do well. It’s a country where a black kid can grow up to be a multimillionaire sports star, top trial lawyer, famous neurosurgeon or even President of the United States. Kids of any color or background and aspire to and achieve those same goals if they pursue them. > [@](#): > > Besides, Republicans have openly stated that these voter-ID schemes are part of a broader plan to suppress Democratic turnout, in order to swing close elections their way. Cite? Funny then that a majority of Democrats support Voter ID to keep the ineligible from voting. It’s in various polls; here’s one. > **[Public Opinion on Voter ID Laws: Strong Support, Shaky Foundation](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/public-opinion-on-voter-i_b_1683873)** > > The latest public opinion poll I've conducted with colleagues at the University of Delaware's Center for Political Communication (CPC) finds that Americans strongly support voter identification laws. But we also find that support for the laws depends... ---
**Author:** ![UncaThomas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/c77e96/32.png) [@UncaThomas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncaThomas)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2014, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-doesnt-like-the-us-1st-amendment/691392/136 "2014-06-26T02:40:09Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > So, national ID card, amirite? > > Meanwhile, how about a few citations for the assertions above? I mean, I’m sure you’re describing these events perfectly accurately, but you know, formalities and all that. You’ll find these and more at: [High Pagerank Domains for Sale](http://www.electionintegritywatch.com/be-informed/news-stories/) But here you go. Franken/Coleman: Book, Who’s Counting John Fund & Hans von Spakovsky Mississippi: Lessadolla Sowers was jailed. Easy to find on web. Indiana: [http://www.courier-journal.com/article/20120501/NEWS02/305010088/Austin-mayor-sanitation-chief-arrested-on-voter-fraud-charges?odyssey=tab|mostpopular|text|FRONTPAGE](http://www.courier-journal.com/article/20120501/NEWS02/305010088/Austin-mayor-sanitation-chief-arrested-on-voter-fraud-charges?odyssey=tab%7Cmostpopular%7Ctext%7CFRONTPAGE) O’Keefe: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IA1k2h8qtBc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IA1k2h8qtBc) John Paul Stevens: [http://www.scotusblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/07-21.pdf](http://www.scotusblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/07-21.pdf) WaPo Voter ID Poll: [http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/polling/voter-identification-laws-washington-post-poll/2012/08/13/13829cb0-e419-11e1-89f7-76e23a982d06\_page.html](http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/polling/voter-identification-laws-washington-post-poll/2012/08/13/13829cb0-e419-11e1-89f7-76e23a982d06_page.html) ---
**Author:** ![UncaThomas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/c77e96/32.png) [@UncaThomas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncaThomas)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2014, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-doesnt-like-the-us-1st-amendment/691392/137 "2014-06-26T02:44:20Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Minnesota Majority is a nonprofit advocacy group whose stated goal was to get an initiative passed requiring voter ID. I’m sure their “investigation” and “findings” are completely impartial. Isn’t that good enough for you? 😉 Well 177 were convicted with more awaiting trial. I sure the court “investigation” and “findings” were completely impartial, aren’t you? Isn’t that good enough for you? In Who’s Counting, the book dealing with this incident, the authors point out that: > [@](#): > > “The numbers aren’t greater,” the authors say, “because the standard for convicting someone of voter fraud in Minnesota is that they must have been both ineligible, and ‘knowingly’ voted unlawfully.” The state has to prove they KNOWINGLY voted unlawfully. Tough requirement but they got 177 already. Pretty amazing right there. ---
**Author:** ![UncaThomas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/c77e96/32.png) [@UncaThomas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncaThomas)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2014, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-doesnt-like-the-us-1st-amendment/691392/138 "2014-06-26T02:48:22Z")
> [@Mr.Miskatonic](#): > > [Kinda](http://www.minnpost.com/politics-policy/2010/07/franken-coleman-senate-recount-flap-over-felon-votes-shows-gop-playing-fast-) [bullshit propaganda from the GOP.](http://electionlawblog.org/archives/016434.html) > > She cast 10 whole votes. She got caught. She will spend years in prison. Big haul, huh? She should have O’keefe as a cellmate. She is just ONE of the ones that got caught and rightly so. You support her imprisonment don’t you? You want more examples? [High Pagerank Domains for Sale](http://www.electionintegritywatch.com/be-informed/news-stories/) > [@](#): > > O’Keefe got a ballot by pretending to be someone else. He never voted and there were several landmines he could have encountered had he tried using that ballot (#1 being if the person whose ballot he took had come out to vote.) Exactly. Proof of just how easy it is to get a ballot without being the person you say you are. There’s no proof either way on whether or not he could have cast a ballot. He may have been able, he may not have been able. But why should he get a ballot by impersonating someone else in the first place? Shouldn’t our system catch people like that BEFORE they even get a ballot? ---
**Author:** ![UncaThomas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/c77e96/32.png) [@UncaThomas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncaThomas)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2014, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-doesnt-like-the-us-1st-amendment/691392/139 "2014-06-26T02:54:41Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Actually, that part of the quote in the OP is incorrect, which may be why it was removed. I refer you to amendments XV, XIX (how could one miss that famous one), XXIV and XXVI. These are in fact very explicit about a right to vote. The only way to ignore their validity is if you refuse to recognize any amendments that were passed after 1800. The OP is correct. You do understand the difference between EXPLICIT and IMPLICIT, do you not? An EXPLICIT right to vote would say something like: An inclusive electorate being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to vote shall not be infringed. An IMPLICIT right to vote would say something like Amendment XIX: The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any state on account of sex. The 19th IMPLIES a right to vote that shall not be denied or abridged on account of sex. Explicit would be something like Citizens of the United States of either sex have a right to vote. See the difference yet? ---
**Author:** ![WWhiskey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f9ae1b/32.png) [@WWhiskey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WWhiskey)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2014, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-doesnt-like-the-us-1st-amendment/691392/140 "2014-06-26T03:14:30Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Hardly. Uneducated black people are among those _most_ likely to be disenfranchised by voter ID laws. Most likely, the opposite would be true, having to obtain an ID would be another step toward voting rather than a one day deal, so long as they aren’t cost prohibitive , it would also be an easy way to prove if someone actually was disenfranchised, voting information could more easily be found as well as locations yet what you actually did in the voting booth would still only be known to you. IDs could be issued during the census upon request of those who otherwise couldn’t afford to make an extra trip to town. If needing to have ID was racist , why would it only be racist during elections? At all other times and in almost all other aspects in life, ID is needed if not required, the government tells poor people who need assistance to get a bank account and get direct deposit, you can’t do that without ID, is the Fed being racist? Or more likely are they trying to protect the rights and property of the poor? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-doesnt-like-the-us-1st-amendment/691392.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-doesnt-like-the-us-1st-amendment/691392.md?page=8)