# CNN Reporter: "I don't know what part of Neverland Senator McCain is talking about.." **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 28, 2007, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-reporter-i-dont-know-what-part-of-neverland-senator-mccain-is-talking-about/397773 "2007-03-28T01:41:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2007, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-reporter-i-dont-know-what-part-of-neverland-senator-mccain-is-talking-about/397773/41 "2007-03-28T14:31:24Z")
[QUOTE=Squink] [McCaffrey Paints Gloomy Picture of Iraq](http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/27/AR2007032701923.html) > [@](#): > > “The population is in despair,” retired Gen. Barry McCaffrey wrote in an eight-page document compiled in his capacity as a professor at West Point. “Life in many of the urban areas is now desperate.” [/QUOTE] Maybe if McCain went over there dressed up as Quinn the Eskimo… ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2007, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-reporter-i-dont-know-what-part-of-neverland-senator-mccain-is-talking-about/397773/42 "2007-03-28T14:39:39Z")
[QUOTE=Quiddity Glomfuster] If people would watch it rather than choosing to believe that it’s ‘another Fox’, they would have seen that, for quite a while, Blitzer, Cafferty, and a few others have been calling the Administration’s bluff at every opportunity. They also invite the righties on to parrot the Pubbie talking points, but it was a CNN panel that Novak walked off when he was called on his BS. [/QUOTE] You are a dipshit. (By the way, did you yet figure out which Dawkins book it was that you’ve read? I’ve been waiting in the other thread for your answer.) It wasn’t a panel that Novak walked off of, it was one of their he said/she said shows. If you think these shows have any bearing on describing what has been the bias of CNN, you’re even more of a dipshit. Blitzer hasn’t been calling them on anything. Cafferty has, through his little window over Blitzer’s shoulder. When he does, Blitzer pretty much has nothing to say, or will make some modifying (and mollifying) sort of comment. ---
**Author:** ![Quiddity\_Glomfuster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/c4cdca/32.png) [@Quiddity\_Glomfuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quiddity_Glomfuster)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2007, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-reporter-i-dont-know-what-part-of-neverland-senator-mccain-is-talking-about/397773/43 "2007-03-28T14:48:11Z")
**Barbarian** , you do realize that your saying things are so doesn’t actually make them true? :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2007, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-reporter-i-dont-know-what-part-of-neverland-senator-mccain-is-talking-about/397773/44 "2007-03-28T14:50:58Z")
I just want to chime in as someone who just finished another year outside of the green zone (what we called the pussy zone) in Baghdad to state once and for all: Baghdad is crazy dangerous, outrageously dangerous, I knew an American who spoke fluent arabic and traveled around by cab in Baghdad and we called him dead man walking, he very nearly earned his nickname and doesn’t do that anymore.\ No unarmed or unprotected American is going for a stroll in Baghdad outside of the pussy zone, it is fantasy. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2007, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-reporter-i-dont-know-what-part-of-neverland-senator-mccain-is-talking-about/397773/45 "2007-03-28T14:51:53Z")
[QUOTE=RTFirefly] Maybe if McCain went over there dressed up as Quinn the Eskimo… [/QUOTE] Hold off on that. We may not get to say the “E” word anymore. > **[So, are racial slurs in usernames OK now?](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=414278)** > > Would it be OK for someone to register “Nigger Boy” or “Kike Queen”? I somehow don’t think so. So I wish to protest the username Venus Hottentot. Hottentot’s a racial slur to my people, and I’d appreciate it if something’s done about it, please. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2007, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-reporter-i-dont-know-what-part-of-neverland-senator-mccain-is-talking-about/397773/46 "2007-03-28T14:56:22Z")
[QUOTE=madmonk28] Baghdad is crazy dangerous, outrageously dangerous [/QUOTE] And this, coming from someone with your location listing! :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2007, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-reporter-i-dont-know-what-part-of-neverland-senator-mccain-is-talking-about/397773/47 "2007-03-28T15:04:49Z")
[QUOTE=Elsie] Maybe, but apart from that McCain is spot on. [/QUOTE] "All right, but _aside from that,_ what have the Romans done for us? ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2007, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-reporter-i-dont-know-what-part-of-neverland-senator-mccain-is-talking-about/397773/48 "2007-03-28T15:13:00Z")
[QUOTE=Quiddity Glomfuster] **Barbarian** , you do realize that your saying things are so doesn’t actually make them true? :rolleyes: [/QUOTE] You might want to refer to me as **Hentor** or HtB or some such, like most people do, in order that you don’t confuse me with **Barbarian** (who is less so than I am). And as to your “point,” yeah, I’m expressing my opinion. (Except that I think it’s a pretty solid fact that you’re a dipshit.) What, do you think you are stating facts when you talk of the bias (or lack thereof) of CNN? Still no idea which Dawkins book it was that you read? To tell the truth, I doubted that you did read one, and I think you’re avoiding a response because of the embarrassment that would follow from acknowledging as much. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2007, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-reporter-i-dont-know-what-part-of-neverland-senator-mccain-is-talking-about/397773/49 "2007-03-28T15:32:30Z")
[Here’s](http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/28/roberts-cnn-mccain-iraq/) CNN’s John Roberts piling on McCain in an interview. Again, I don’t mind them actually questioning the validity of such claims, but I do hope to see them challenging and following up on all such claims, not just those from certain people. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2007, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-reporter-i-dont-know-what-part-of-neverland-senator-mccain-is-talking-about/397773/50 "2007-03-28T15:40:30Z")
[QUOTE=BrightNShiny] I say we invade Neverland. [/QUOTE] Madman. You would dare the wrath of the Lost Boys? Incite the anger of Pan? That would be utter folly. ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2007, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-reporter-i-dont-know-what-part-of-neverland-senator-mccain-is-talking-about/397773/51 "2007-03-28T16:16:20Z")
Isn’t Peter Pan the Queen of spades in the USA Most Wanted deck of cards? ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2007, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-reporter-i-dont-know-what-part-of-neverland-senator-mccain-is-talking-about/397773/52 "2007-03-28T16:28:42Z")
> [@Richard Parker](#): > > …if your complaint is that, as a reporter, (Ware) should limit himself to a certain set of facts (i.e. not facts about the credibility of politicians), that’s an entirely different point altogether (and I think also wrong). Read my post again. If as a reporter you can refute something using facts, do it…it’s your job. Punctuating your report with editorial comments is unprofessional, even if part of your audience wants to hear it and thinks that public opinion won’t be swayed unless viewers are led by the hand to a set of beliefs. > [@](#): > > The conclusion that therefore (McCain’s) credibility suffers is hardly flamboyant editorial. And in other news, a Hollywood starlet is a little bit pregnant. Believe it- this incident will be used by the Right to undermine _CNN’s_ credibility. ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2007, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-reporter-i-dont-know-what-part-of-neverland-senator-mccain-is-talking-about/397773/53 "2007-03-28T16:32:54Z")
[QUOTE=Jackmannii] .And in other news, a Hollywood starlet is a little bit pregnant. [/QUOTE] Ah, this is the problem. You think that fact/editorial is a clean binary. I don’t think so. It’s a little gray. And the comment that being way off-base on the basic facts of the situation in Iraq hurts McCain’s credibility is far closer to the side of fact than editorial. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2007, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-reporter-i-dont-know-what-part-of-neverland-senator-mccain-is-talking-about/397773/54 "2007-03-28T16:34:55Z")
[QUOTE=Jackmannii] Believe it- this incident will be used by the Right to undermine _CNN’s_ credibility. [/QUOTE] Since when did the Right become selective in what it regarded as evidence of a liberal bias? ---
**Author:** ![David\_Simmons](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9de053/32.png) [@David\_Simmons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/David_Simmons)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2007, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-reporter-i-dont-know-what-part-of-neverland-senator-mccain-is-talking-about/397773/55 "2007-03-28T16:39:45Z")
[QUOTE=Squink] [McCaffrey Paints Gloomy Picture of Iraq](http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/27/AR2007032701923.html) [/QUOTE] The cite reports that McCaffrey talked to Petraeus and 15 other Iraq commanders to get the facts for his report. He also briefed people in the White House yesterday. His assessment was bleak, presumeably based on the word from Petraeus _et al_. Yet this morning Bush gave his usual “we are making good progress” blather, presumeably based on word from Petraeus _et al._ I’m reminded of Herbert Hoover in 1931 continuing to insist that “Prosperity is just around the corner.” ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2007, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-reporter-i-dont-know-what-part-of-neverland-senator-mccain-is-talking-about/397773/56 "2007-03-28T16:58:47Z")
[QUOTE=Richard Parker] Ah, this is the problem. You think that fact/editorial is a clean binary. I don’t think so. It’s a little gray. And the comment that being way off-base on the basic facts of the situation in Iraq hurts McCain’s credibility is far closer to the side of fact than editorial. [/QUOTE] When a reporter makes cracks about a politician’s credibility and suggests that he is coming from Neverland, it’s not a “gray area”. Unless you’re in Neverland yourself. Have a good time there. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2007, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-reporter-i-dont-know-what-part-of-neverland-senator-mccain-is-talking-about/397773/57 "2007-03-28T17:01:01Z")
[QUOTE=David Simmons] I’m reminded of Herbert Hoover in 1931 continuing to insist that “Prosperity is just around the corner.” [/QUOTE] or Kevin Bacon’s character in _Animal House_ at the end saying “all is well, remain calm” ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2007, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-reporter-i-dont-know-what-part-of-neverland-senator-mccain-is-talking-about/397773/58 "2007-03-28T17:01:10Z")
[QUOTE=Jackmannii] When a reporter makes cracks about a politician’s credibility and suggests that he is coming from Neverland, it’s not a “gray area”. Unless you’re in Neverland yourself. Have a good time there. [/QUOTE] So, under what factual circumstance can a reporter say that a politician has said something that is entirely fantasy? None? ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2007, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-reporter-i-dont-know-what-part-of-neverland-senator-mccain-is-talking-about/397773/59 "2007-03-28T17:07:40Z")
[QUOTE=BrightNShiny] I say we invade Neverland. [/QUOTE] What have the Dutch done to us? (I’m joking, but all this banter about invading Neverland reminded me of this: We often get Dutch visitors to our office. On one occasion, in regards to a woman from Holland, one of the women in our office left a note for our IT guy - “That girl from the Neverlands needs help with her computer.”) ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2007, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-reporter-i-dont-know-what-part-of-neverland-senator-mccain-is-talking-about/397773/60 "2007-03-28T17:10:38Z")
[QUOTE=Jackmannii] Believe it- this incident will be used by the Right to undermine _CNN’s_ credibility. [/QUOTE] The right already thinks CNN is a liberal outlet. I also know people who say MSNBC is a liberal outlet, and probably any other news source you can think of. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-reporter-i-dont-know-what-part-of-neverland-senator-mccain-is-talking-about/397773.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-reporter-i-dont-know-what-part-of-neverland-senator-mccain-is-talking-about/397773.md?page=4)