# CNN Reports people claiming Warren was told by Sanders that a woman can't win. **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 13, 2020, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-reports-people-claiming-warren-was-told-by-sanders-that-a-woman-cant-win/846369 "2020-01-13T21:01:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2020, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-reports-people-claiming-warren-was-told-by-sanders-that-a-woman-cant-win/846369/81 "2020-01-15T19:09:43Z")
Now Trump has been weighing in on Bernie’s side - not exactly what Bernie wants: > **[Trump takes Sanders' side in tiff with Warren over prospect of female U.S....](https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-takes-sanders-side-tiff-024137675.html)** > > U.S. President Donald Trump threw his support, welcome or not, behind Democratic presidential contender Bernie Sanders in his back-and-forth with rival Elizabeth Warren, saying he did not believe Sanders would suggest a woman could not win the 2020... ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2020, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-reports-people-claiming-warren-was-told-by-sanders-that-a-woman-cant-win/846369/82 "2020-01-15T19:18:17Z")
> **[Sanders camp admits anti-Warren script was deployed in multiple early states](https://www.politico.com/amp/news/2020/01/14/sanders-admits-anti-warren-script-early-states-098786)** > > Sanders initially attributed the talking points to rogue staffers, and supporters launched an online campaign to convince people the document was fake. A canvass script with anti-Warren taking points was used last weekend in a few early voting states. At first, the defenders of Bernie said it was rogue actors saying things without authorization, then some defenders said the script was faked. Then they admitted it was real and created by the campaign, not rogue actors. This, apparently, was the act that ended the non-aggression pact between the two camps. ETA: in response to QuickSilver ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2020, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-reports-people-claiming-warren-was-told-by-sanders-that-a-woman-cant-win/846369/83 "2020-01-15T19:24:53Z")
T/Y. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2020, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-reports-people-claiming-warren-was-told-by-sanders-that-a-woman-cant-win/846369/84 "2020-01-15T19:40:34Z")
Just to add one more point in my defense of Warren’s handling of this, here are her words from the debate last night: “It’s time for us to attack it head-on. Look, don’t deny that the question is there. Back in the 1960s, people asked, ‘Could a Catholic win?’ Back in 2008, people asked if an African-American could win. In both times the Democratic Party stepped up and said yes, got behind their candidate and we changed America. That’s who we are.” This isn’t about trying to paint Bernie as a sexist pig. It’s an aggressive move to convince voters that she, a woman, is electable against Trump in 2020 That’s really been the elephant in the room for the past year (or more). I’ll admit I even said (on these boards and IRL) that a man would probably do better than a woman against Trump, and I know both women and men who have said the same thing. I’ve changed my tune, although I still haven’t settled on which candidate I support. She took the words that Bernie could very likely have said to her (not making this assumption as an attack on him) and words that many of us have also said, or at least thought, and tackled them to the ground, very eloquently too, imo. ---
**Author:** ![SuntanLotion](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suntanlotion/32/16165_2.png) [@SuntanLotion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuntanLotion)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2020, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-reports-people-claiming-warren-was-told-by-sanders-that-a-woman-cant-win/846369/85 "2020-01-15T20:14:12Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > This would be true of most politicians–but Bernie’s main selling point is that he hasn’t changed his tune since 1888. > . Hes older than I thought ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2020, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-reports-people-claiming-warren-was-told-by-sanders-that-a-woman-cant-win/846369/86 "2020-01-15T21:29:37Z")
The CNN treatment of Bernie was laughable and horrid. The moderator asked Bernie why he told Warren a woman couldn’t get elected. Bernie replied by denying he’d ever said that. The moderator then turned to Warren, "What did you think _ **when Bernie told you a woman couldn’t win the election?"** _ ---
**Author:** ![UnwittingAmericans](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/d9b06d/32.png) [@UnwittingAmericans](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UnwittingAmericans)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2020, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-reports-people-claiming-warren-was-told-by-sanders-that-a-woman-cant-win/846369/87 "2020-01-16T01:48:50Z")
A pox on both their houses. Believe women, that’s what you’re stuck with, you morons. The best thing about the Parnas interview is the flag pin. ---
**Author:** ![UnwittingAmericans](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/d9b06d/32.png) [@UnwittingAmericans](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UnwittingAmericans)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2020, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-reports-people-claiming-warren-was-told-by-sanders-that-a-woman-cant-win/846369/88 "2020-01-16T01:52:16Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > Personally, I’ve been impressed with how she’s handled it, both in the debate last night and the overall kneecapping ruthlessness with which she’s taken Bernie on. > > In presidential politics, winners are the candidates who fight like hell to win. Ruthless. I want someone who will scrap and fight, with every ounce of venom he or she has. If anyone thought Bernie and Liz would just hold hands and eat ice cream together through this whole campaign, they were naive. > > Bernie is a barrier to her winning the nomination. Bernie’s campaign had volunteers directly attack Warren on the doors last week, so she said “Fuck it,” and went for it. > > Is Bernie a sexist? No. Does he believe a woman can’t be president? No. Did he try talking Warren out of running by telling her 2020 might not be the right time for a woman to be the nominee? Sure, I could see it. And Warren has every right to use that against him now. How is she gonna kneecap Trump, accuse him of rape, or something really crazy like conspiring with a foreign government to subvert an election? ---
**Author:** ![UnwittingAmericans](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/d9b06d/32.png) [@UnwittingAmericans](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UnwittingAmericans)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2020, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-reports-people-claiming-warren-was-told-by-sanders-that-a-woman-cant-win/846369/89 "2020-01-16T02:06:55Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > Just to add one more point in my defense of Warren’s handling of this, here are her words from the debate last night: > > “It’s time for us to attack it head-on. Look, don’t deny that the question is there. Back in the 1960s, people asked, ‘Could a Catholic win?’ Back in 2008, people asked if an African-American could win. In both times the Democratic Party stepped up and said yes, got behind their candidate and we changed America. That’s who we are.” > > This isn’t about trying to paint Bernie as a sexist pig. It’s an aggressive move to convince voters that she, a woman, is electable against Trump in 2020 That’s really been the elephant in the room for the past year (or more). I’ll admit I even said (on these boards and IRL) that a man would probably do better than a woman against Trump, and I know both women and men who have said the same thing. I’ve changed my tune, although I still haven’t settled on which candidate I support. > > She took the words that Bernie could very likely have said to her (not making this assumption as an attack on him) and words that many of us have also said, or at least thought, and tackled them to the ground, very eloquently too, imo. Who says shit like this with straight face? Clinton won 3 million more votes. 3 YEARS AGO. What’s next, how about Buttigieg waits until Warren’s locked up in the impeachment trial and then makes something up about Warren? ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2020, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-reports-people-claiming-warren-was-told-by-sanders-that-a-woman-cant-win/846369/90 "2020-01-16T02:10:40Z")
They never should have had a non-aggression pact in the first place - like what the hell is that anyway? It’s a primary in which there were initially 20+ candidates. Personally I think both Warren and Sanders look a little weak from this episode. Maybe now Bernie Bros can shove their holier-than-thou “He’s not a real politician” crap, but Warren still should have shook his hand and faked a smile. ---
**Author:** ![UnwittingAmericans](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/d9b06d/32.png) [@UnwittingAmericans](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UnwittingAmericans)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2020, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-reports-people-claiming-warren-was-told-by-sanders-that-a-woman-cant-win/846369/91 "2020-01-16T02:16:14Z")
Wake me up on Feb 12th. I’ve been paying no attention and it’s still too much. ---
**Author:** ![Boycott](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boycott/32/6741_2.png) [@Boycott](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boycott)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2020, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-reports-people-claiming-warren-was-told-by-sanders-that-a-woman-cant-win/846369/92 "2020-01-16T02:51:52Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > They never should have had a non-aggression pact in the first place - like what the hell is that anyway? It’s a primary in which there were initially 20+ candidates. > > Personally I think both Warren and Sanders look a little weak from this episode. Maybe now Bernie Bros can shove their holier-than-thou “He’s not a real politician” crap, but Warren still should have shook his hand and faked a smile. I guess the non-aggression pact was made on the thinking they agree much more than they disagree so one could support the other being the eventual nominee — but Joe Biden stood in the way therefore the two “progressives” had to knock off the “centrist”. Unfortunately Biden has proved a tougher nut to crack than they or many in the media thought. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2020, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-reports-people-claiming-warren-was-told-by-sanders-that-a-woman-cant-win/846369/93 "2020-01-16T03:02:55Z")
> [@Boycott](#): > > I guess the non-aggression pact was made on the thinking they agree much more than they disagree so one could support the other being the eventual nominee — but Joe Biden stood in the way therefore the two “progressives” had to knock off the “centrist”. Unfortunately Biden has proved a tougher nut to crack than they or many in the media thought. I’m not a fan of Bernie but Sanders didn’t call her a liar. I don’t pretend to know what all dems are thinking but from my vantage point, it seems like a classic case of a candidate who’s panicking and desperate to stay relevant. I say this as someone who has supported Warren more than Sanders up to this point. But this was just a low-blow. The solution for Warren is obvious: if Sanders campaign staffers are saying Warren is unelectable, then she should just flip it around and make the case that Bernie’s not electable. She’s using her woman card, and it’s unfortunate because if Bernie really wants to go into the gutter he can do it and he wouldn’t even look like a douchebag (Pocahontas anyone?). ---
**Author:** ![MyFootsZZZ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/myfootszzz/32/12580_2.png) [@MyFootsZZZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MyFootsZZZ)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2020, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-reports-people-claiming-warren-was-told-by-sanders-that-a-woman-cant-win/846369/94 "2020-01-16T04:08:42Z")
This is all very unfortunate. It was probably one big misunderstanding. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2020, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-reports-people-claiming-warren-was-told-by-sanders-that-a-woman-cant-win/846369/95 "2020-01-16T04:35:42Z")
The overheard mic stuff certainly sounds like they both feel they are being truthful and the other not. ---
**Author:** ![MyFootsZZZ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/myfootszzz/32/12580_2.png) [@MyFootsZZZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MyFootsZZZ)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2020, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-reports-people-claiming-warren-was-told-by-sanders-that-a-woman-cant-win/846369/96 "2020-01-16T05:02:08Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > The overheard mic stuff certainly sounds like they both feel they are being truthful and the other not. I saw that. Hard to watch. ---
**Author:** ![Lantern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/d26b3c/32.png) [@Lantern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lantern)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2020, 5:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-reports-people-claiming-warren-was-told-by-sanders-that-a-woman-cant-win/846369/97 "2020-01-16T05:50:52Z")
_Sigh_ I can’t help feeling that a lot of Democratic politics from here on in is going to be: “You’re a sexist!”, “You’re a racist!”,“You’re a sexist and a racist!”. It’s not a good trend… I would also note that while Obama conspicuously refrained from playing the race card, Warren and Klobuchar (and Hillary before them) can’t seem to stop playing the gender card. And guess who was elected President twice. And AFAIK Margaret Thatcher and Angela Merkel, the two most successful female politicians in the Western world, did not play the gender card either. ---
**Author:** ![UnwittingAmericans](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/d9b06d/32.png) [@UnwittingAmericans](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UnwittingAmericans)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2020, 6:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-reports-people-claiming-warren-was-told-by-sanders-that-a-woman-cant-win/846369/98 "2020-01-16T06:12:39Z")
I’m ruling Warren out after this cheap stunt and I hope she gets primaried. ---
**Author:** ![Unreconstructed\_Man](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/76d3ee/32.png) [@Unreconstructed\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unreconstructed_Man)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2020, 6:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-reports-people-claiming-warren-was-told-by-sanders-that-a-woman-cant-win/846369/99 "2020-01-16T06:31:52Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Apart from the one you’re determined to grossly misrepresent, what other “integrity problems” does Warren have? I’m not misrepresenting anything. I’m just not bending over backwards to be charitable to her. ---
**Author:** ![str8cashhomie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7cd45c/32.png) [@str8cashhomie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/str8cashhomie)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2020, 12:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-reports-people-claiming-warren-was-told-by-sanders-that-a-woman-cant-win/846369/100 "2020-01-16T12:46:38Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > She’s using her woman card, and it’s unfortunate because if Bernie really wants to go into the gutter he can do it and he wouldn’t even look like a douchebag (Pocahontas anyone?). I think if Bernie went the “Pocahontas” route it would hurt him among Dem primary voters. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-reports-people-claiming-warren-was-told-by-sanders-that-a-woman-cant-win/846369.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-reports-people-claiming-warren-was-told-by-sanders-that-a-woman-cant-win/846369.md?page=6)