# CNN Reports people claiming Warren was told by Sanders that a woman can't win. **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 13, 2020, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-reports-people-claiming-warren-was-told-by-sanders-that-a-woman-cant-win/846369 "2020-01-13T21:01:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2020, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-reports-people-claiming-warren-was-told-by-sanders-that-a-woman-cant-win/846369/141 "2020-01-17T02:25:45Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Exactly. The test did not prove she had a Native American ancestor. The test results stated that she had a Native American ancestor. Some other people said that those test results were stated overconfidently. Even if this is true, and it may well be, that doesn’t indicate that Elizabeth Warren was dishonest. Speaking of stating things overconfidently… > [@CarnalK](#): > > You’ve said this a couple times and I think I should loint out that it’s not really true. > [@CarnalK](#): > > It’s not true. Those are miles away from what your cite actually said. Tsosie and Anderson do not say anything that supports your interpretation. ---
**Author:** ![DWMarch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dwmarch/32/1010_2.png) [@DWMarch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DWMarch)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2020, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-reports-people-claiming-warren-was-told-by-sanders-that-a-woman-cant-win/846369/142 "2020-01-17T03:06:22Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > The test results stated that she had a Native American ancestor. > > Some other people said that those test results were stated overconfidently. Even if this is true, and it may well be, that doesn’t indicate that Elizabeth Warren was dishonest. I don’t think she was being dishonest. However, the issue with the DNA test is that the Cherokee Nation does not recognize it. It’s not theirs, they didn’t contribute samples for the sake of accuracy and they have their own system for determining who is and is not a Cherokee. If one is not feeling particularly charitable you can characterize Warren’s use of a DNA test to prove her heritage as a lie but I think it is more along the lines that she spoke too soon. If she really wants to know about her heritage she needs to sit down with the Cherokee Nation and see what they have to say about it. But if she shows up waving her DNA test around like it means something and says “hey guys, I’m home!” the response is going to be “there’s a crazy white lady outside and she must have hit her head or something because she thinks she’s one of us.” In any case, the only reason why any of this gets talked about is because Donald Trump is a racist bully who likes to call people racist names inasmuch as he can get away with it. I wish that was the focus rather than a petty squabble between Warren and Sanders. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2020, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-reports-people-claiming-warren-was-told-by-sanders-that-a-woman-cant-win/846369/143 "2020-01-17T23:33:58Z")
> [@DWMarch](#): > > I don’t think she was being dishonest. However, the issue with the DNA test is that t **he Cherokee Nation does not recognize it.** It’s not theirs, they didn’t contribute samples for the sake of accuracy and they have their own system for determining who is and is not a Cherokee. If one is not feeling particularly charitable you can characterize Warren’s use of a DNA test to prove her heritage as a lie but I think it is more along the lines that she spoke too soon. If she really wants to know about her heritage **she needs to sit down with the Cherokee Nation** and see what they have to say about it. Your argument here relies on a claim that Warren has said she was a member of the Cherokee Nation. I’ve seen no evidence to support that claim. Do you have some? (my emphasis in quote) ---
**Author:** ![RioRico](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f04885/32.png) [@RioRico](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RioRico)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2020, 6:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-reports-people-claiming-warren-was-told-by-sanders-that-a-woman-cant-win/846369/144 "2020-01-18T06:34:16Z")
A reminder: What family lore says, and what genetic tests say, may not match for many reasons, possibly religious, social, political, whatever. My family lore excludes many names that genealogical sources confirm, but I don’t feel like dropping those names. I’ve not voluntarily submitted DNA anywhere so I have no idea of, nor desire to know, my alleged bio-heritage. Quakers, Cherokees, Honkies, Crackers - they’re all back there somewhere, with no stake in my here-and-now. Go back enough generations and we’re all cousins. And kissing cousins, yum-yum! ---
**Author:** ![DMC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dmc/32/18049_2.png) [@DMC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DMC)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2020, 12:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-reports-people-claiming-warren-was-told-by-sanders-that-a-woman-cant-win/846369/145 "2020-01-18T12:29:51Z")
> [@Unreconstructed\_Man](#): > > That’s a terribly stupid thing to post. Having NA ancestry in the distant upper branches of your family tree doesn’t make you an ‘American Indian’. It often does, depending on tribe. My blood quantum is either 1/16th or 1/32nd Cherokee, but I have ancestors on the Dawes Rolls, so I’m a citizen of Cherokee Nation. This is true of many of my fellow elder Oklahomans. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2020, 8:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-reports-people-claiming-warren-was-told-by-sanders-that-a-woman-cant-win/846369/146 "2020-01-19T08:51:07Z")
> [@DMC](#): > > It often does, depending on tribe. My blood quantum is either 1/16th or 1/32nd Cherokee, but I have ancestors on the Dawes Rolls, so I’m a citizen of Cherokee Nation. This is true of many of my fellow elder Oklahomans. My great-grandmother was full-blooded Cherokee, as well. Or so the family lore goes. I’ve been told that she’s listed in the Rolls, too. I’ve never looked for myself, and, at this point (with that entire side of the family having died off - Mom, her mother, and her grandmother), I’m not even sure of what name she would have used, or how to spell it, so I’ve never actually made a serious attempt to research it. ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2020, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-reports-people-claiming-warren-was-told-by-sanders-that-a-woman-cant-win/846369/147 "2020-01-21T18:59:41Z")
Well, I’m glad to see that whatever that weird bullshit was all about, it seems to have blown over. Good for them. [Democratic Contenders Link Arms at MLK March; Sanders and Warren shake hands.](https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-01-20/2020-democratic-contenders-link-arms-in-king-day-march) ---
**Author:** ![orcenio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/orcenio/32/1036_2.png) [@orcenio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/orcenio)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2020, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-reports-people-claiming-warren-was-told-by-sanders-that-a-woman-cant-win/846369/148 "2020-01-21T19:10:37Z")
Can you imagine the headlines if they had a full blown row during a MLK peace march. This is a truce; they are both still hungry opponents. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2020, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-reports-people-claiming-warren-was-told-by-sanders-that-a-woman-cant-win/846369/149 "2020-01-22T15:43:29Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > Not only is it the presidency at stake, you (the nominee) gets to be the one who goes down in history as\* the one who took down Trump. > \* > > Add to that the additional boost for Warren that she’d go down as the first woman president in history, and she has absolutely no reason not go all knives-out from here on out. Or, more likely, she’s fighting for the chance to go down in history as the second woman candidate to lose to Donald Trump. Regards, Shodan [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn-reports-people-claiming-warren-was-told-by-sanders-that-a-woman-cant-win/846369.md?page=7)