# CNN **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 28, 2017, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn/790065 "2017-06-28T17:17:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Silver\_lining](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aca169/32.png) [@Silver\_lining](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_lining)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2017, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn/790065/1 "2017-06-28T17:17:36Z")
With three CNN employees resigning over retracted story on Russia ties, a lawsuit of 100 million dollars against, and being caught giving Hillary Clinton the debate questions in advance what is the future of this network? ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2017, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn/790065/2 "2017-06-28T17:21:17Z")
It will die and take liberalism, the democratic party and gays with it. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2017, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn/790065/3 "2017-06-28T17:22:49Z")
Poor journalism made Fox News successful. I predict CNN will have YUUUUGE profits this year. Winning! ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2017, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn/790065/4 "2017-06-28T17:23:08Z")
They’ll continue to report the news in as unbiased a way as possible, and will probably make mistakes. But don’t worry, you’ll still have Breitbart and Faux News to maintain the standard of lack of journalistic integrity. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2017, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn/790065/5 "2017-06-28T17:32:07Z")
Not about elections and only tangentially related to politics. I think this is better in Great Debates so I’m moving it there. [/moderating] ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2017, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn/790065/6 "2017-06-28T17:39:18Z")
I hate to cast a cloud over the OP, but [the debate question controversy is a bit overblown.](http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2016/oct/17/10-misleading-trump-attack-lines-wikileaks-email-d/) > [@](#): > > The emails do show that the Clinton campaign got information that was similar to a voter’s town hall question. (The emails do not show Clinton got all of the questions before the event.) > > On March 12, 2016, Democratic strategist Donna Brazile sent an email to Clinton team members with the subject line, “From time to time I get the questions in advance.” The email included a question about whether states should abolish the death penalty. > > The next day, at a CNN presidential town hall with Clinton and her primary opponent, Sen. Bernie Sanders, an audience member asked Clinton about her position on the death penalty. Sanders was not presented with the same question. It’s possible that Danna Brazile may have gotten a question or two before the CNN debate and passed the info to the Clinton campaign. I don’t think there’s much question that the DNC was in the tank for Hillary. But this is not nearly as scandalous as leaking intel to the Russians inside the Oval Office. ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_lining](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aca169/32.png) [@Silver\_lining](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_lining)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2017, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn/790065/7 "2017-06-28T17:42:50Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > Poor journalism made Fox News successful. > > I predict CNN will have YUUUUGE profits this year. Winning! I suggest anyone learning journalism should read the boy who cried wolf. You might get an increase in ratings with these fake news stories, but the cost will be your credibility and over time which means your ratings will drop. CNN might be around in the future, but I suspect they will have to change their format. ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2017, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn/790065/8 "2017-06-28T17:46:21Z")
> [@Silver\_lining](#): > > I suggest anyone learning journalism should read the boy who cried wolf. You might get an increase in ratings with these fake news stories, but the cost will be your credibility and over time which means your ratings will drop. > > CNN might be around in the future, but I suspect they will have to change their format. So your argument here is, Fox News went out of business a decade ago? ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2017, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn/790065/9 "2017-06-28T17:57:25Z")
> [@Silver\_lining](#): > > CNN might be around in the future, but I suspect they will have to change their format. So in the future, they _ **won’t** _ retract stories that are poorly vetted? ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2017, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn/790065/10 "2017-06-28T18:19:27Z")
> [@Silver\_lining](#): > > I suggest anyone learning journalism should read the boy who cried wolf. You might get an increase in ratings with these fake news stories, but the cost will be your credibility and over time which means your ratings will drop. > > CNN might be around in the future, but I suspect they will have to change their format. Why does this lesson apply to CNN and not Fox News (or the White House)? Fox News told viewers a large number of whoppers over the years. It hasn’t hurt them. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2017, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn/790065/11 "2017-06-28T18:22:04Z")
It’s interesting how few Trump supporters are concerned with freedom of the press and how many are concerned with gun rights. ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_lining](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aca169/32.png) [@Silver\_lining](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_lining)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2017, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn/790065/12 "2017-06-28T18:34:00Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > I hate to cast a cloud over the OP, but [the debate question controversy is a bit overblown.](http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2016/oct/17/10-misleading-trump-attack-lines-wikileaks-email-d/) > > It’s possible that Danna Brazile may have gotten a question or two before the CNN debate and passed the info to the Clinton campaign. I don’t think there’s much question that the DNC was in the tank for Hillary. But this is not nearly as scandalous as leaking intel to the Russians inside the Oval Office. It is fact CNN gave Clinton the questions to the debate in advance. There is no proof of the Russians did anything to fix our election, even heavyweight Democrats agree on this. CNN is the worst offender, but I’ve sorties from others with grandiose headlines and no facts, substituting the facts and proof with words like allegedly, and according to sources ( which will never be named ) and so on. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2017, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn/790065/13 "2017-06-28T18:35:25Z")
> [@Johnny\_Ace](#): > > It’s interesting how few Trump supporters are concerned with freedom of the press and how many are concerned with gun rights. It is a complex issue of wanting to put reporters up against the wall, and at the same time railing against the reporters for getting the caliber of the bullet wrong. What liars! ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_lining](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aca169/32.png) [@Silver\_lining](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_lining)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2017, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn/790065/14 "2017-06-28T18:36:16Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > Why does this lesson apply to CNN and not Fox News (or the White House)? > > Fox News told viewers a large number of whoppers over the years. It hasn’t hurt them. There is a difference between an opinion and outright lies. How many people did Fox fire over the years for lies? CNN fired how many this year? ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2017, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn/790065/15 "2017-06-28T18:36:38Z")
> [@Silver\_lining](#): > > It is fact CNN gave Clinton the questions to the debate in advance. > > There is no proof of the Russians did anything to fix our election, even heavyweight Democrats agree on this. > > CNN is the worst offender, but I’ve sorties from others with grandiose headlines and no facts, substituting the facts and proof with words like allegedly, and according to sources ( which will never be named ) and so on. If I can show that your posts are in error, will you resign your membership? Seems like CNN is the honorable actor in this exchange. > [@Silver\_lining](#): > > There is a difference between an opinion and outright lies. How many people did Fox fire over the years for lies? > > CNN fired how many this year? My point is that Fox News doesn’t seem to fire anyone for lies. Groping gets you a golden parachute, of course. How many of [these](http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/tv/fox/) statements do you consider to be opinions, as opposed to “facts?” How about [this one](http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/333446-netanyahu-pushes-back-against-claim-he-asked-trump-not-to-move) in particular? ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_lining](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aca169/32.png) [@Silver\_lining](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_lining)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2017, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn/790065/16 "2017-06-28T19:07:20Z")
Raven, If you have to lump CNN in with FOX, my point is made. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2017, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn/790065/17 "2017-06-28T19:41:28Z")
> [@Silver\_lining](#): > > There is no proof of the Russians did anything to fix our election, even heavyweight Democrats agree on this. Yes there is: > [@](#): > > While condemning the leak of classified information, the top Democrat on the Senate Homeland Security Committee today said that because a secret NSA document was posted online yesterday “we now have verified information” showing that Russian intelligence services were in fact behind last year’s cyber-assault on the U.S. election. > > SOURCE: [Leaked NSA document is proof of Russian election hacking, top Dem says - ABC News](http://abcnews.go.com/US/top-dem-nsa-leak-offers-verified-info-linking/story?id=47863897) ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2017, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn/790065/18 "2017-06-28T19:55:58Z")
> [@Silver\_lining](#): > > Raven, > > If you have to lump CNN in with FOX, my point is made. That CNN’s profits are going to go through the roof? Then why are you questioning its future? ---
**Author:** ![CurtC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ce73a5/32.png) [@CurtC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CurtC)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2017, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn/790065/19 "2017-06-28T20:08:28Z")
> [@Silver\_lining](#): > > There is no proof of the Russians did anything to fix our election, even heavyweight Democrats agree on this. There’s a ton of evidence that the Russians interfered with our election! And there’s quite a bit of circumstantial evidence that the Trump campaign was involved with this, at least in communicating with the Russians about what the Russians were doing, before they did it. That’s why we have an investigation - what was the relationship? Did the Trump campaign request the actions, or did the Russians simply inform the Trump campaign ahead of time? Who in the Trump campaign was involved? Trump? And finally, why does Trump and his administration not seem to care about the issue at all? ---
**Author:** ![Icarus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/icarus/32/72_2.png) [@Icarus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Icarus)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2017, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn/790065/20 "2017-06-28T20:11:21Z")
> [@Silver\_lining](#): > > With three CNN employees resigning over retracted story on Russia ties, a lawsuit of 100 million dollars against, and being caught giving Hillary Clinton the debate questions in advance what is the future of this network? Regarding the lawsuit, anyone can sue anyone for anything - it doesn’t mean there is merit in the lawsuit. The future is that they will continue to present journalism, and when they catch someone violating the ethics of journalism, they will fire them. Can you say the same for your beloved FOX, on either account? [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cnn/790065.md?page=2)