After you, Alphonse.
I find it really interesting that the chattering classes (i.e. we semi-intellectuals) are only noticing this behavior because the bomb-throwing suddenly affects everyone.
Ghetto rioters have done this for many years - when they riot, they burn down businesses in their own neighborhoods. And we wring our hands but ultimately don’t do much because they’re looting themselves. But to get to that point requires a great deal of legitimate anger, and dismissing it as stupidity is a bad idea.
Kinda hard rebutting fact, huh?
Just add it to the long list of bad ideas we’ve been growing for 8 regrettable years.
No-It’s just a waste of time to argue with a bumper sticker or a protest sign.
But their political strength will.
The more I analyze what’s happening, the more I attribute it to generation cycles which have soured on the institutions and orders of the establishment. You have some people who believe that global trade isn’t working out for us – and in some respects it’s hard to argue with them. They’re rejecting the Americanized global economy. They’re rejecting American involvement in an attempt to preserve that economy and the current world order. These are the things that tea party conservatives (Trumpists) and Sanders (and some Hillary) supporters agree on to varying degrees. Conservatives take it further in wanting to end a 50-year era of more open immigration. They also want to end the social contract that assumes that the state is responsible for the care of the welfare of individual citizens. Conservatives reject a strong central bureaucracy and would prefer to leave political and economic matters to the states, which could impact everything from education to civil rights (and hence, race relations).
For now, it would appear that we’re lucky to have found Trump. But I suspect that large numbers of people will continue to lose confidence in domestic and international institutions and policies that preserve the current world order. America will lose power and influence overseas, and with it, the desire to remain a part of the global community will continue to weaken. It’s highly possible, if not probable, that a more capable political leader will co-opt positions on which the far left and far right agree upon before threatening some of the liberties and privileges we take for granted.
Yeah, and then you’ll be left with 100 million people who own 200 million guns between them, completely disenfranchised and angry as hell.
We’ll see how well that works out.
Very badly for them.
Are we witnessing the death of Neo-Liberalism? Because, politically speaking, it sounds like the death knell.
Demographics are going against them, so fuck 'em right? :dubious::rolleyes:
But as the other poster pointed out, a 100 million votes is more then enough to produce decades of more gridlock, local Trumps, and so forth.
You have presented no facts.
You have expressed an opinion and have refused to provide any support for your opinion, relying on meaningless one-liners instead of actual information. Your “past 8 years” remark implies that the reduction of unemployment from 7.8% to 5.8%, the increase in the DOW Jones from 7,949 to in excess of 17,800, the increase in GDP growth from -5.4% to 3.5%, the reduction of the deficit GDP from 9.8% to 2.8%, and the increase in Consumer Confidence from 37.7 to 94.5 are all things to regret. (Note that those are actually facts.)
(And despite fear mongering from the NRA, he has still done nothing to “take away” our guns.)
Fuck em? no, more like stop them from continuously fucking themselves as they have been.
So the FACT is, liberalism as YOU describe it above, is the takeaway from the Trump phenomenon?
You might want to take the time to compose a coherent statement before throwing out minor rants.
Your claim was that we have just suffered 8 “regrettable” years–8 years in which we dragged ourselves out of a recession, overcame crippling unemployment, and experienced a number of other changes to the better in the economy. I took no position on whatever straw man definition of liberalism you might want to use. I simply noted that after you posted a fact free opinion, I could refute that opinion with actual information–FACTS as you so oddly referred to them. The “Trump phenomenon”? To the extent that there is a Trump phenomenon, it is pretty much the creation of the people who rely solely on Faux News for their information. Fox routinely reports, falsely, that wages are down, that crime is up, that the economy is going to hell. There are a large number of people who accept that nonsense as true and Trump managed to capitalize on their fears. He is still regarded as a egomaniacal buffoon by the overwhelming majority of the people in this country. He is even less popular than Hillary Clinton while President Obama’s approval ratings are quite high. That a sadly large number of people have been led astray by Fox News’s and Trump’s hate-mongering does not actually indicate that the country is in trouble. It merely indicates that some people are willing to listen to demagogues rather than take the time to research and analyze actual facts.
If you have nothing more than some negative opinions that are not supported by facts, you are not going to persuade anyone to accept that opinion.
Here’s some great ideas just foisted by our sitting Prez today Mr. Tomndebb. Better hurry up and get those drug dealers out of jail now, before it’s too late! :rolleyes:
Since tomndebb posted the facts I was about to post, I can only ask what chaos you are talking about? Despite strong efforts by Republicans to prevent it, the minimum wage is going up and wages at the low end are finally increasing.
Is the problem for you same sex marriage? That black people have the nerve to complain when they get shot by out of control police. (A small minority of cops, to be sure. Probably on the same order as rapist illegal immigrants.) Is it that the economy has stubbornly refused to crash like the right said it would? Or that the hellhole that Trump calls minority neighborhoods doesn’t actually exist?
I believe as a moderator, you should set a better example consider yourself obliged to answer my question.
The first ten of those were all cocaine dealers - who knows how much - who got 20 year sentences. Which seems a bit excessive.
But they seem fair sentences when considering how harshly the bankers who crashed the economy and caused millions to lose their jobs got punished.
Oops.
I posited a concise reason, theory, or whatever you want to call it on the “Trump phenomenon takeaway.”
It has not been refuted or otherwise de-bunked. Changing the topic or derailing the thread isn’t going to change that.
Just seems odd how almost half the stupid population doesn’t see it the way you and others here seem to. Damn deplorables, they are. Funny thing is, most of the people who are going to vote for Trump in a landslide next month don’t do polls, and probably haven’t even spoken to others much about their feelings towards this government.