# Coach under fire for remarks caught on tape. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 19, 2011, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coach-under-fire-for-remarks-caught-on-tape/603455 "2011-11-19T14:50:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2011, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coach-under-fire-for-remarks-caught-on-tape/603455/1 "2011-11-19T14:50:44Z")
Story here: > **[Coach Under Fire For Racist "Future Welfare Recipient" Comment](https://newsone.com/1642285/racist-coach-winnetonka-hs/)** > > A Kansas City basketball coach has been placed on administrative leave after being caught making wildly insensitive remarks on a cell phone video, with the student involved subsequently filing a racial harassment complaint against the coach. As... I hope I added that correctly, I just taught myself how to do it. Anyway, this coach is heard saying, future welfare recipient, but I can’t make out what it is in response to. Some people are calling for him to lose his job over this. What do you guys think. The kids sound credible, but because I can’t make out the question, I’m not sure what to make of the remarks the coach made. ---
**Author:** ![Ferret\_Herder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47774/32.png) [@Ferret\_Herder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferret_Herder)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2011, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coach-under-fire-for-remarks-caught-on-tape/603455/2 "2011-11-19T15:07:35Z")
Here’s a [longer article](http://rivals.yahoo.com/highschool/blog/prep_rally/post/Coach-under-fire-for-racist-future-welfare-reci?urn=highschool-wp8603) with more background. And there wasn’t a question asked other than for him to repeat what he said, which is that the kid should put that as a caption on his own photo. The longer article has statements from the family that various kids have been thanking them for coming forward because of the coach’s pattern of behavior, so if this is what it seems, hopefully other kids will speak up too. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2011, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coach-under-fire-for-remarks-caught-on-tape/603455/3 "2011-11-19T16:26:33Z")
> [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](#): > > I hope I added that correctly, I just taught myself how to do it. Next on the list should be: Teach yourself how to use the quote tags. Learn which forum to post your OPs in. Hey, you’re the one who invited people into the BBQ Pit! ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2011, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coach-under-fire-for-remarks-caught-on-tape/603455/4 "2011-11-19T17:27:37Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Teach yourself how to use the quote tags. > > Learn which forum to post your OPs in. Hey now, John. Let’s not say anything we can’t take back. ---
**Author:** ![phouka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c5a1d2/32.png) [@phouka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/phouka)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2011, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coach-under-fire-for-remarks-caught-on-tape/603455/5 "2011-11-19T17:35:43Z")
Wow. Just . . . I can’t even find a damn teaching job, and this asshole is working full time with benefits and uses the opportunity to say stuff like this to his students? ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2011, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coach-under-fire-for-remarks-caught-on-tape/603455/6 "2011-11-19T17:39:08Z")
On the bright side, guess who’s more likely to be a welfare recipient in the near future! ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2011, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coach-under-fire-for-remarks-caught-on-tape/603455/7 "2011-11-19T17:43:39Z")
> [@Giraffe](#): > > Hey now, John. Let’s not say anything we can’t take back. Hey, if you don’t like it here, why don’t you go create your own board somewhere! ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2011, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coach-under-fire-for-remarks-caught-on-tape/603455/8 "2011-11-19T17:54:48Z")
If you use {[url=www.insertyoururlhere.com](http://url=www.insertyoururlhere.com)]you can insert your own descriptive text of the link, which people like (using all square brackets, of course). If you’re interested in learning other coding, you can usually see what people used to do things if you quote the post in question - the coding usually shows up in the reply box. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2011, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coach-under-fire-for-remarks-caught-on-tape/603455/9 "2011-11-19T18:04:33Z")
> [@Cat\_Whisperer](#): > > If you use {[url=www.insertyoururlhere.com](http://url=www.insertyoururlhere.com)]you can insert your own descriptive text of the link, which people like (using all square brackets, of course). If you’re interested in learning other coding, you can usually see what people used to do things if you quote the post in question - the coding usually shows up in the reply box. Or, you can read [this.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/misc.php?do=bbcode) ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2011, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coach-under-fire-for-remarks-caught-on-tape/603455/10 "2011-11-19T18:11:37Z")
“When all else fails, read instructions.” Words to live by, my friend. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2011, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coach-under-fire-for-remarks-caught-on-tape/603455/11 "2011-11-19T18:18:13Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Hey, if you don’t like it here, why don’t you go create your own board somewhere! I did, but the only people who showed up were jerks. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Farmer\_Jane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Farmer\_Jane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Farmer_Jane)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2011, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coach-under-fire-for-remarks-caught-on-tape/603455/12 "2011-11-19T18:30:49Z")
> [@phouka](#): > > Wow. > > Just . . . > > I can’t even find a damn teaching job, and this asshole is working full time with benefits and uses the opportunity to say stuff like this to his students? Is he a teacher, too? 😕 But is this a racist remark because the kid is black or because he didn’t get good grades? When I was growing up, my white teachers told us that we would be working at McDonald’s if we didn’t try hard in school. What this teacher said is what I hear all the time. ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2011, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coach-under-fire-for-remarks-caught-on-tape/603455/13 "2011-11-19T21:59:46Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Next on the list should be: > > Teach yourself how to use the quote tags. > > Learn which forum to post your OPs in. > Hey, you’re the one who invited people into the BBQ Pit! You’re correct, I did. I didn’t know I’d be the target, but I had a sneaking suspicion that if I ever did become one, it would be by you. I’ve always found you to be someone that tries to see both sides of every issue. I agree with you a lot because I see you as fair and balanced. I’m not real sure why you’ve decided you need to pick on me, but have at it John. You may even succeed in running me off the boards. Will that make you feel better? Oh, and what was that about me picking the wrong forum? I think I got it just right after all. I’ll work on the quote thing. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2011, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coach-under-fire-for-remarks-caught-on-tape/603455/14 "2011-11-19T22:08:57Z")
It’s the Pit and you lobbed one over the plate. I couldn’t resist. Don’t take it personally. ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2011, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coach-under-fire-for-remarks-caught-on-tape/603455/15 "2011-11-19T22:14:51Z")
So, you have an opinion about the story I proudly linked to? Or do you want to keep up the pretense that it was nothing personal? ---
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2011, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coach-under-fire-for-remarks-caught-on-tape/603455/16 "2011-11-19T22:20:52Z")
n/m ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2011, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coach-under-fire-for-remarks-caught-on-tape/603455/17 "2011-11-19T22:24:28Z")
> [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](#): > > So, you have an opinion about the story I proudly linked to? > > Or do you want to keep up the pretense that it was nothing personal? John Mace is well known as one of the board’s most sadistic, abusive posters. Trying to reason with him is futile. It just makes him meaner. ---
**Author:** ![pohjonen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pohjonen/32/423_2.png) [@pohjonen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pohjonen)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2011, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coach-under-fire-for-remarks-caught-on-tape/603455/18 "2011-11-19T22:58:41Z")
This incident reminds me of another similar one involving a special needs student, a teacher, and an aide. It’s even worse, I think. It was also taped. See[here.](http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/45302947/ns/today-parenting_and_family/t/teachers-caught-tape-bullying-special-needs-girl/) ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2011, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coach-under-fire-for-remarks-caught-on-tape/603455/19 "2011-11-19T23:18:17Z")
> [@CitizenPained](#): > > But is this a racist remark because the kid is black or because he didn’t get good grades? I’m sure the guy’s defense will be that race had nothing to do with it. Even if that’s true, he’s a complete fucking idiot for not understanding the racial implications of a white teacher saying that to a black student—and a complete asshole for saying it to begin with, when the kid was apparently minding his own business (and there with his own father, no less). According to the student, it’s just the latest of many demeaning comments the coach has made to, or about, black students. It’ll be interesting to see if anyone else comes forward. ---
**Author:** ![Ferret\_Herder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47774/32.png) [@Ferret\_Herder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferret_Herder)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2011, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coach-under-fire-for-remarks-caught-on-tape/603455/20 "2011-11-19T23:34:32Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > Even if that’s true, he’s a complete fucking idiot for not understanding the racial implications of a white teacher saying that to a black student—and a complete asshole for saying it to begin with, when the kid was apparently minding his own business (and there with his own father, no less). Exactly. If a teacher wants to pull some “tough love” motivation, doing a drive-by insult when a kid is just taking a picture is not the time and place, much less the proper method. I can see times where a teacher might tell a kid, “if you don’t care about grades, you are going to get stuck in a dead-end job/you aren’t going to get a job.” That’s not the way to do that. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coach-under-fire-for-remarks-caught-on-tape/603455.md?page=2)