# Coach under fire for remarks caught on tape. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 19, 2011, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coach-under-fire-for-remarks-caught-on-tape/603455 "2011-11-19T14:50:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Simplicio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c37758/32.png) [@Simplicio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Simplicio)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2011, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coach-under-fire-for-remarks-caught-on-tape/603455/21 "2011-11-20T02:45:33Z")
Yea, its kind of hard to tell if it was meant as a racial slur or not, but even if not it seems pretty egregious for the teacher to stop in the middle of his jog to start dumping on a kid in front of his peers. ---
**Author:** ![Indygrrl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@Indygrrl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Indygrrl)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2011, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coach-under-fire-for-remarks-caught-on-tape/603455/22 "2011-11-20T04:20:51Z")
> [@Ferret\_Herder](#): > > Here’s a [longer article](http://rivals.yahoo.com/highschool/blog/prep_rally/post/Coach-under-fire-for-racist-future-welfare-reci?urn=highschool-wp8603) with more background. And there wasn’t a question asked other than for him to repeat what he said, which is that the kid should put that as a caption on his own photo. > > The longer article has statements from the family that various kids have been thanking them for coming forward because of the coach’s pattern of behavior, so if this is what it seems, hopefully other kids will speak up too. I don’t know what’s more depressing, this story or the hateful comments after it. For some reason, I always read the comments, even when I know it’s going to be awful. I’m a sadomasochistic I guess, lol. ---
**Author:** ![tnetennba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tnetennba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tnetennba)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2011, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coach-under-fire-for-remarks-caught-on-tape/603455/23 "2011-11-20T04:27:47Z")
With the Penn State business and the crap in New Jersey with the HS coach acting like his players are victims for being benched a few games after practically beating a kid to death, you have to get in line to be asshole coach of the year. ---
**Author:** ![Farmer\_Jane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Farmer\_Jane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Farmer_Jane)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2011, 5:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coach-under-fire-for-remarks-caught-on-tape/603455/24 "2011-11-20T05:27:36Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > I’m sure the guy’s defense will be that race had nothing to do with it. Even if that’s true, he’s a complete fucking idiot for not understanding the racial implications of a white teacher saying that to a black student—and a complete asshole for saying it to begin with, when the kid was apparently minding his own business (and there with his own father, no less). > \*\* > According to the student, it’s just the latest of many demeaning comments the coach has made to, or about, black students. I\*\*t’ll be interesting to see if anyone else comes forward. It may very well be that race had nothing to do with it. There shouldn’t be any ‘racial implications’ about welfare. Welfare shouldn’t be a colored v white person issue (and really, it isn’t). It’s very well possible that the racial makeup of the kid she interacts with is mostly black. If this is the coach’s attitude - Mr. Tough Guy - then of _course_ he makes those comments to black kids. Because they are his students. He teaches black kids! Or maybe he makes those comments to everyone, but only the black kids see it as racist. And while that was a really stupid thing to say, I’ve said worse. Not because I’m terrible, but because I have that kind of relationship with my students. (You should hear what they say to me in jest.) While the coach was being a total asshole, I’m not convinced that he was being a racist prick. Not at all, really. I don’t even know what he’s like in his classroom. He teaches in a high school. Maybe even a rough one. And it’s very possible that kid had shit grades and attendance. To say to a black kid, “If you don’t do your homework, you’ll end up on welfare” shouldn’t be racist because the kid is black. I heard the same thing growing up and I went to a school with 1 black student. It IS mean, though, especially in front of the kids’ peers. If I were a teacher at that school, I’d be pissed. It doesn’t sound like the coach makes demeaning statements _about black students_ because they are black, but rather has shit communication skills with his students. I don’t use the welfare thing with my students because so many of them are or are related to drug dealers and gang members. 😕 Who needs welfare when you have that cash? I’m more likely to tell them they’ll be locked up or dead if they don’t shape the F up. 😉 But none of my kiddos are going to say, “Miss Citizenpained has a history of picking on us!” because we love each other. What I saw in that coach is what I see in a lot of teachers, unfortunately. They try to jest but come off as condescending and sarcastic assholes, then it comes across as racism, and then you have something like this. My students have been calling one of the other teachers racist for weeks (behind her back). Not because she is racist. It’s because of how she talks to them. She (a white teacher) talks to them like her (white) teachers talked to her, and then they get mad, and then they act tough and start talking back and she has no idea why these kids are so bad and then they’re screaming fbombs at her and they get sent home for the day and then they tell their parents she’s a racist white bitch who hates them and…you get the idea. I’m 99 per cent sure this guy wasn’t intending on making a racist remark. Racist teachers typically don’t coach in urban schools. I am 200 per cent sure he was being a dickhead and could use a little WTF ARE YOU THINKING?! training. ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2011, 6:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coach-under-fire-for-remarks-caught-on-tape/603455/25 "2011-11-21T06:52:40Z")
> [@Ferret\_Herder](#): > > Exactly. If a teacher wants to pull some “tough love” motivation, doing a drive-by insult when a kid is just taking a picture is not the time and place, much less the proper method. I can see times where a teacher might tell a kid, “if you don’t care about grades, you are going to get stuck in a dead-end job/you aren’t going to get a job.” That’s not the way to do that. How about this for “tough love”? [Hurt Feelings Report](http://www.lgbtqnation.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Hurt-Feelings-Report.jpg) Sample answers to “Reasons for filing this report”: 1. I am a pussy ☐ 2. I am a queer ☐ 3. I am a little bitch ☐ The coach who gave that to his players was stripped of his coaching duties but was [allowed to keep his job as a _guidance counselor_ at the school](http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2011/11/high-school-coach-resigns-over-sexist-anti-gay-survey-will-retain-job-as-guidance-counselor/). ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2011, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coach-under-fire-for-remarks-caught-on-tape/603455/26 "2011-11-21T18:12:27Z")
> [@pohjonen](#): > > This incident reminds me of another similar one involving a special needs student, a teacher, and an aide. It’s even worse, I think. It was also taped. See[here.](http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/45302947/ns/today-parenting_and_family/t/teachers-caught-tape-bullying-special-needs-girl/) Ahhh! That was _horrible_. To the point that I would have been skeptical myself until I heard it with my own ears. ---
**Author:** ![corkboard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@corkboard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/corkboard)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2011, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coach-under-fire-for-remarks-caught-on-tape/603455/27 "2011-11-21T19:03:25Z")
> [@CitizenPained](#): > > \… Welfare shouldn’t be a colored v white person issue (and really, it isn’t). “colored”? ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2011, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coach-under-fire-for-remarks-caught-on-tape/603455/28 "2011-11-21T19:07:12Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > It’s the Pit and you lobbed one over the plate. I couldn’t resist. Don’t take it personally. You have been more and more dickish over the last few months. I’ve lost a good deal of the respect I once had for you because of it. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2011, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coach-under-fire-for-remarks-caught-on-tape/603455/29 "2011-11-21T22:48:09Z")
You’d be cranky too if your ass was numb from sitting on the fence all the time. ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2011, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coach-under-fire-for-remarks-caught-on-tape/603455/30 "2011-11-21T22:57:18Z")
> [@Giraffe](#): > > John Mace is well known as one of the board’s most sadistic, abusive posters. Trying to reason with him is futile. It just makes him meaner. It’s true. I once saw him make a somewhat dismissive remark at a man in Reno, just to castigate him for a poorly made point. ---
**Author:** ![phouka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c5a1d2/32.png) [@phouka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/phouka)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2011, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coach-under-fire-for-remarks-caught-on-tape/603455/31 "2011-11-21T23:30:24Z")
This is the quote that made me drop my jaw and go looking for it: > [@](#): > > The coaching, we didn’t want that to be the issue anymore. We wanted him to have his priority back where it was as a counselor. Why? So he can harm _even more_ children than he could as a coach. I’d like to think that the standards for a guidance counselor - since they not only have to help students determine schedules and which colleges they apply to but also have to, you know, _counsel_ - would be higher than those of a coach. It’s getting to where we need an ombudsman with the authority to go up to coaches, counselors, and administrators who do stuff this stupid and beat them with a stick. ---
**Author:** ![Chen019](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f19dbf/32.png) [@Chen019](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chen019)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2011, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coach-under-fire-for-remarks-caught-on-tape/603455/32 "2011-11-21T23:43:35Z")
> [@](#): > > “Future welfare recipient who? Students that don’t get good grades.” Hahaha, insensitive but probably true. Maybe a good wake up call for some students. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2011, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coach-under-fire-for-remarks-caught-on-tape/603455/33 "2011-11-22T02:02:56Z")
Okay, that’s a “thumbs-up” from one of our beloved racists… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coach-under-fire-for-remarks-caught-on-tape/603455.md?page=1)