# Cocksucker Vs. Motherfucker **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 24, 2002, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cocksucker-vs-motherfucker/133765 "2002-10-24T23:03:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Docklands](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/47e85d/32.png) [@Docklands](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Docklands)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2002, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cocksucker-vs-motherfucker/133765/1 "2002-10-24T23:03:39Z")
It is important to start this by saying that neither my friend or I are homophobic and my friend was playing devil’s advocate for purposes of debate. Yesterday I was having a conversation with a friend of mine and I chastized him on the use of the insult cocksucker because of the homophobic connotation. He accepted my criticism as valid but he came back at me by saying, “But what about motherfucker” I contemplated that for a second and rejoined with, “Huh?” Anyway his point was if you can’t insult someone by calling them a cocksucker, a concept which you find repulsive, then why is motherfucker ok. “Because it’s wrong.” “So is being a fag.” “But it’s gross.” “Homosexuals are icky. You are just a bigot, what could be wrong with a consenting relationship between two adults” The conversation went on, but I was unable to penetrate his defense. In light of our conversation should mother fucker should be off limits as an insult/expletive. I can’t even work out what my position is. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2002, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cocksucker-vs-motherfucker/133765/2 "2002-10-25T00:42:55Z")
I don’t see it that way at all; the purpose of an insult like that isn’t to insinuate that the recipient actually sucks penises or has sexual relations with his mother; I’d even venture to suggest that no such mental imagery takes place in the mind of either the insultor or insultee; it’s just a case of making a nasty sound. ---
**Author:** ![Gaudere](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e495f1/32.png) [@Gaudere](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gaudere)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2002, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cocksucker-vs-motherfucker/133765/3 "2002-10-25T01:15:37Z")
[Moderator Hat ON] This is not exactly a GREAT Debate, I think, and the scatalogy in the title makes me think its proper home is the Pit. Off you go. [Moderator Hat OFF] ---
**Author:** ![glarGH](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/76d3ee/32.png) [@glarGH](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glarGH)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2002, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cocksucker-vs-motherfucker/133765/4 "2002-10-25T02:08:14Z")
ummm what about a compromise?.. “you musta spent a lot of time sucking your mama’s dick” ---
**Author:** ![lieu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c2a13f/32.png) [@lieu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lieu)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2002, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cocksucker-vs-motherfucker/133765/5 "2002-10-25T04:05:19Z")
Well, that would be a compromising position allright… ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2002, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cocksucker-vs-motherfucker/133765/6 "2002-10-25T04:08:20Z")
Mothersucker??? ---
**Author:** ![lieu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c2a13f/32.png) [@lieu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lieu)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2002, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cocksucker-vs-motherfucker/133765/7 "2002-10-25T04:09:46Z")
Well, that would be a compromising position alright… ---
**Author:** ![lieu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c2a13f/32.png) [@lieu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lieu)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2002, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cocksucker-vs-motherfucker/133765/8 "2002-10-25T04:13:27Z")
Cocksuc… err Motherfu… err… Mods? ---
**Author:** ![lieu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c2a13f/32.png) [@lieu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lieu)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2002, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cocksucker-vs-motherfucker/133765/9 "2002-10-25T04:17:07Z")
[please delete me] Obviously that was directed at my own dumb ass. [/please delete me] ---
**Author:** ![apotheosis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ba8739/32.png) [@apotheosis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/apotheosis)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2002, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cocksucker-vs-motherfucker/133765/10 "2002-10-25T04:28:49Z")
“Motherfucker” shouldn’t be off-limits because, when used by itself, it doesn’t indicate whose mother you’re fucking. MILF! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![glarGH](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/76d3ee/32.png) [@glarGH](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glarGH)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2002, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cocksucker-vs-motherfucker/133765/11 "2002-10-25T04:34:26Z")
Your mom didn’t complain one bit last night 😉 ---
**Author:** ![apotheosis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ba8739/32.png) [@apotheosis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/apotheosis)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2002, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cocksucker-vs-motherfucker/133765/12 "2002-10-25T04:41:52Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by glarGH \* > \*\*Your mom didn’t complain one bit last night 😉 \*\* I _know_ you weren’t talking to _me_, you mothercocking fucksucker. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2002, 5:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cocksucker-vs-motherfucker/133765/13 "2002-10-25T05:10:04Z")
In a world… …where semantics rule supreme… …Two deadly insults… …Sworn enemies… …must join forces… …to kick some OED ass. Lucy Liu is Cocksucker Antonio Banderas is Motherfucker Coming next summer in every explosive theatre near you: Balltastic: Cocksucker vs. Motherfucker ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2002, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cocksucker-vs-motherfucker/133765/14 "2002-10-25T05:11:38Z")
This film is not yet rated. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2002, 5:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cocksucker-vs-motherfucker/133765/15 "2002-10-25T05:29:33Z")
A lot of insults aren’t really used for their literal meaning (son of a bitch, bastard) but for a more abstract sort of visceral impact. I don’t think most people hear the word “motherfucker,” and think about incest, it’s just sort of an all-purpose intensifyer. For instance, it can be used as an adjective in sentences where its literal meaning would render the sentence gibberish. (Ouch! I dropped a hammer on my motherfucking foot!) Ditto “cocksucker.” (These cocksucking boards take forever to respond!) Although I can see how gay people would be a little more sensitive to “cocksucker.” I don’t see how “motherfucker” insults a specific group of people (except, I guess, for real mother fuckers). I think Docklands’ friend is trying to draw a specious analogy here. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Bird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/3ec8ea/32.png) [@Little\_Bird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Bird)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2002, 5:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cocksucker-vs-motherfucker/133765/16 "2002-10-25T05:38:16Z")
Uncle Fucker? You don’t eat or sleep or mow the lawn You just fuck your uncle all day long ---
**Author:** ![Dirty\_Earthworm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3ec8ea/32.png) [@Dirty\_Earthworm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dirty_Earthworm)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2002, 5:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cocksucker-vs-motherfucker/133765/17 "2002-10-25T05:38:42Z")
In the same vein as “cocksucker,” I never understood why “sucks,” or, more specifically, “sucks dick” is considered a bad thing. (i.e., “Wow, Cherry Coke really sucks [dick].”) Ever had your dick sucked? Is that a bad thing? I didn’t think so. I’m going to go away now. -Dirty ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2002, 7:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cocksucker-vs-motherfucker/133765/18 "2002-10-25T07:02:18Z")
Obligatory:[ul]\*When he found what he had done, He tore his eyes out, one by one. A tragic end to a loyal son Who loved his mother. So be sweet and kind to mother, Now and then have a chat. Buy her candy or some flowers, Or a brand new hat. But maybe you had better let it go at that. –Tom Lehrer, Oedipus Rex\*[/ul] **Dirty Earthworm** : consider the even-_more_-puzzling “Fuck you!” Why not: “I hate you! I _despise_ you! Go have an _orgasm!_” _Sacre bleu!_ Cursewords don’t make a lot of sense. Myself, when I’m _really_ angry with someone, I call them “Spartan Dog” or “Anglo-saxon Hun”, or, when that vein in my temple starts to throb, “Saracen Pig!” Confuses the hell out them, and gives me an opportunity to kick them in nuts while they’re trying to figure it out. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2002, 7:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cocksucker-vs-motherfucker/133765/19 "2002-10-25T07:23:32Z")
Why DO we say “fuck you?” What does that really mean semantically? Perhaps this is a question for Cecil. ---
**Author:** ![Feynn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ecb155/32.png) [@Feynn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Feynn)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2002, 7:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cocksucker-vs-motherfucker/133765/20 "2002-10-25T07:59:43Z")
Most insults don’t make a lot of sense… how many people are really into incestuous relationships with their mother? Quiet bunch here. Come on… let’s have a show of hands. 🙂 [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cocksucker-vs-motherfucker/133765.md?page=2)