# Cocktails **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 27, 2017, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cocktails/787562 "2017-05-27T21:11:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2017, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cocktails/787562/21 "2017-05-28T19:35:25Z")
We won’t even mention that J&B is a crappy **Scotch,** not a bourbon. Man, when idols fall they fall _hard_. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2017, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cocktails/787562/22 "2017-05-28T19:38:28Z")
Here in Hawaii, a good mai tai is often called for. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2017, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cocktails/787562/23 "2017-05-28T19:40:25Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > We won’t even mention that J&B is a crappy **Scotch,** not a bourbon. > > Man, when idols fall they fall _hard_. I bet he’s no rocket scientist and that he voted for Trump. ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2017, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cocktails/787562/24 "2017-05-28T20:19:42Z")
Mundus vult decipi ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2017, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cocktails/787562/25 "2017-05-28T20:24:55Z")
> [@DrFidelius](#): > > Martini. Gin, up, olive. And just speak the word “vermouth” near it, please. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2017, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cocktails/787562/26 "2017-05-28T20:39:15Z")
> [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#): > > And just speak the word “vermouth” near it, please. In other words, you don’t want a martini. You want a glass of gin. ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2017, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cocktails/787562/27 "2017-05-28T20:57:03Z")
I have found that I do not like a glass of cold gin. A touch of vermouth makes it a transcendental experience. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2017, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cocktails/787562/28 "2017-05-28T21:19:07Z")
If we’re gonna recommend the Old Fashioned and the Manhattan, which are fine recommendations no doubt, can we mention the oft overlooked (and, if I may be so bold, underrated) brother the Sazerac? Negronis are simple and refreshing as well. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2017, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cocktails/787562/29 "2017-05-28T21:39:43Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > can we mention the oft overlooked (and, if I may be so bold, underrated) brother the Sazerac? Very nice! 🙂 I haven’t had one since the last time I was in New Orleans. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2017, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cocktails/787562/30 "2017-05-28T22:02:12Z")
The problem I have with the Sazerac is the absinthe or Herbsaint. I loathe anise-flavored anything, so that makes this one a waste of good rye for me. YMMV, of course. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2017, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cocktails/787562/31 "2017-05-28T22:42:15Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > I loathe anise-flavored anything… YMMV, of course. Ah, well. More akvavit and ouzo for me. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2017, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cocktails/787562/32 "2017-05-28T22:52:03Z")
Akvavit doesn’t bother me at all, since it is served ice-cold and is flavored with caraway, which for some reason I don’t mind as much as anise, even though they are closely related. Just the thing to shoot when having herring and onions. ---
**Author:** ![LH75](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lh75/32/4438_2.png) [@LH75](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LH75)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2017, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cocktails/787562/33 "2017-05-28T23:46:20Z")
Hard liquor is not my friend. Had I learned this lesson in a more timely fashion, I would have more of my own teeth and I would be able to better breathe through my nose. Before I learned this, I drank Jack Daniels over a couple of ice cubes. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2017, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cocktails/787562/34 "2017-05-29T00:50:24Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > The problem I have with the Sazerac is the absinthe or Herbsaint. I loathe anise-flavored anything, so that makes this one a waste of good rye for me. YMMV, of course. Yeah, it’s weird, because I’m not a huge anise fan either, but I loves me a Sazerac. The absinthe is necessary, but subtle. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2017, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cocktails/787562/35 "2017-05-29T01:01:03Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > Akvavit doesn’t bother me at all, since it is served ice-cold and is flavored with caraway, which for some reason I don’t mind as much as anise, even though they are closely related. Just the thing to shoot when having herring and onions. They’re related in the sense they are in the same family (Apiaceae). Other plants in that family include celery, carrots, and parsnips, and all those are quite different in flavor. Cumin is also in this family. So nothing strange about liking one, but not one of the others. If you wanna hear something crazy, the main flavor of mint and caraway (carvone) are the same molecule, but one is [“left-handed” and the other “right-handed.”](http://www.scienceiq.com/facts/yournoseknows.cfm) ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2017, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cocktails/787562/36 "2017-05-29T01:11:19Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > If we’re gonna recommend the Old Fashioned and the Manhattan, which are fine recommendations no doubt, can we mention the oft overlooked (and, if I may be so bold, underrated) brother the Sazerac? > > Negronis are simple and refreshing as well. And if you like all of those, then [the Boulevardier](http://www.liquor.com/recipes/boulevardier/#gs.SUZ3LuQ) is a good one. It’s basically a Negroni subbing in a good American whisky for the gin. Mezcal swapped instead also works well and is a good summer variation. And while the J&B was mocked a good scotch in a Rob Roy is quite nice. ---
**Author:** ![seal\_cleaner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e274bd/32.png) [@seal\_cleaner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/seal_cleaner)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2017, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cocktails/787562/37 "2017-05-29T01:27:45Z")
Bombay gin and tonic. But usually Pilsner. ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2017, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cocktails/787562/38 "2017-05-29T02:05:02Z")
> [@DrFidelius](#): > > I have found that I do not like a glass of cold gin. A touch of vermouth makes it a transcendental experience. KISS disagrees. [![](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/XAU4B4Fmhkg/hqdefault.jpg "KISS - KISS - Cold Gin") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAU4B4Fmhkg) ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2017, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cocktails/787562/39 "2017-05-29T02:08:24Z")
Paul Stanley (the only member of KISS whom I have had the pleasure of meeting) drinks cheap beer. Their opinion is irrelevant. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2017, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cocktails/787562/40 "2017-05-29T02:24:36Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > And while the J&B was mocked a good scotch in a Rob Roy is quite nice. Just added the Boulevardier to my list. If we’re gonna throw scotch into a cocktail, a Blood and Sand is quite tasty, though for some reason, the ones I make at home are never nearly as good as the ones I get at a bar. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cocktails/787562.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/cocktails/787562.md?page=3)