# Coldfire -- Not a warning my eye. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 9, 2003, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coldfire-not-a-warning-my-eye/218008 "2003-12-09T20:22:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Achilles\_Last\_Stand](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a87d85/32.png) [@Achilles\_Last\_Stand](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Achilles_Last_Stand)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2003, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coldfire-not-a-warning-my-eye/218008/183 "2003-12-10T17:47:57Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Left Hand of Dorkness \* > \*\*What the fuck does that mean? Learn to use commas, **achilles** , learn basic grammatical structures, and then try saying non-stupid things with your newfound knowledge. > > I know you’re trying to annoy me. Did you think I was unclear on that? > > Daniel \*\* Thank you, oh high priest of grammatical ignorance. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2003, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coldfire-not-a-warning-my-eye/218008/184 "2003-12-10T17:49:50Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by This Year’s Model \* > \*\*Cool. Now I’ll stop reading this thread. It can only go downhill from here. \*\* ::straps on skis:: ---
**Author:** ![Achilles\_Last\_Stand](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a87d85/32.png) [@Achilles\_Last\_Stand](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Achilles_Last_Stand)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2003, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coldfire-not-a-warning-my-eye/218008/185 "2003-12-10T17:57:11Z")
Oh joy!!! This is always my favorite, recipes in the name of content. The Ultimate Crumpet recipe This recipe was developed from a simple recipe which wouldn’t quite work. I needed to find a recipe because I bought a set of crumpet rings, and needed to try them out. A crumpet ring is very similar to an egg ring, but some 3 - 4 times larger in volume, and about twice as thick. (An egg ring produces a very small and delicate crumpet, but not really satisfying for a real bloke.) Crumpets use a very similiar recipe to muffins (a recipe is attached), except that crumpets are wetter, dry fried and cooked mostly on one side. Actually, crumpets are no more like muffins than bagels are like bread rolls. So here goes !!! The recipe What it takes 450 grams (3 cups) plain white or untreated flour 2 teaspoons (10 grams) dry active yeast 2 3/4 cups of warm water Optional (1.5 teasopoons bread improver - if you have it available) 1.5 teaspoons salt 1 teaspoon of sugar or honey 2 tablespoons powdered milk 1 teaspoons bicarbonate of soda 2 tablespoons of warm water Putting It Together The Method Combine yeast, sugar and one cup of warm water into a mixng bowl. The water should be hot enough to take a bath in, but not hot enough to scald. Cover with plastic wrap an stand in a warm place for about ten minutes. During this time the liquid should develop a foamy head, showing that the yeast is dissolved and happy… Sift flour, milk and salt into another bowl, and mix well. (NB. Please resist the temptation to eliminate the salt, as the yeast need a small amount of salt to do their job properly.) Make a well in the centre of the flour, add the yeasty water and the rest of the warm water. Using a wooden spoon, mix to a thick batter. Cover with plastic wrap, and stand in a warm place until well risen and bubbly. This will take about an hour. (I find that under the covers of the waterbed, the temperature is absolutely perfect for rising bread dough). The batter doesn’t rise dramatically, but it does expand somewhat, and the mixture takes on gases which are necessary in the cooking process. Combine the bicarbonate of soda and the extra water, and add this mix to the dough. MIX WELL. Then leave this mixture to stand, covered, in a warm place for a further 15 minutes. Preheat a heavy based frypan to a low heat. This heat is such that oils (I use a spray on oil like “Pure and Simple”, but butter or margarine may do) will not burn, smoke or misbehave. I use an electric country style frypan set on 5. This is almost a non-stick surface, and so low cholesterol oils are great. Spray oils also allow you to coat the crumpet rings as you are ready to cook. Place enough mixture into the centre of each ring to come almost to the top of the ring. (The dough does rise during cooking, and this should be allowed for in the filling of the ring. Fill the ring enough to get good rise, but not so much that the ring overflows badly.) Cook for 4-8 minutes over this medium heat, until bubbles appear over the entire surface, and the dough appears ‘dry’. Remove the ring, turn the crumpet over and cook for a further 30 - 60 seconds to brown the top. Remove from the pan and cool on a cake rack. If you find that the bottom is too dark (politely referred to as burnt), you are cooking too quickly. Slow it down, relax, and try again. The worst thing that can happen is that you have to make another batch. Toast the crumpets and serve with lashings of cream and … ENJOY. Give them a go, they are made along healthy lines, although when eaten with gobs of butter they lose all pretence of health. When eaten with a low fat topping, say like a banana, they are healthy and delicious. ---
**Author:** ![InkBlot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b5e925/32.png) [@InkBlot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/InkBlot)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2003, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coldfire-not-a-warning-my-eye/218008/186 "2003-12-10T18:01:03Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by **TVAA** _ > And when I point this out – good ol’ **Coldfire** enters, tells me not to post in the thread again, and threatens me with explusion from the boards. I’d violated no rule of the Pit, or of the boards in general, but in **Coldfire** ’s prejudiced opinion I was being a jerk for “attacking” an emotionally defenseless victim. > > Admit it, your personal feelings drove you to abuse your authority as Mod. I’ve gotta ask…what universal definiton of “Jerk” are you using, exactly? I’m not talking about trot-out-your-favorite-online-dictionary kind, I mean the one where it’s clearly delineated in such inarguable terms that Coldfire’s or anyone else’s personal judgement must yield. _Martyr-Websters?_ ---
**Author:** ![InkBlot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b5e925/32.png) [@InkBlot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/InkBlot)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2003, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coldfire-not-a-warning-my-eye/218008/187 "2003-12-10T18:02:59Z")
Oops…hit _submit_ instead of _preview_, so I didn’t get to sign my missive. You may direct any random ire towards: InkBlot ---
**Author:** ![TVAA](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c57346/32.png) [@TVAA](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TVAA)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2003, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coldfire-not-a-warning-my-eye/218008/188 "2003-12-10T18:05:18Z")
It’s the Pit. People regularly insult each other in very personal terms without being considered jerks. The OPer was objectively inconsistent. And **Coldfire** gave me the clear impression that he wasn’t responding because I had violated an actual rule – he was just so offended that I’d criticized a sexual abuse victim that his outraged conscience demanded action. ---
**Author:** ![CanvasShoes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/74df32/32.png) [@CanvasShoes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CanvasShoes)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2003, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coldfire-not-a-warning-my-eye/218008/189 "2003-12-10T18:11:57Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Achilles Last Stand \* > \*\ ***Andylicious** did a better job backing his position than you did, and “whine” is your opinion. If they are whining, **Margin** then so do you. I think they won by default just by reading your responses to their supposed “no content” posts. For the record, I am an anti-feminist of YOUR brand, \<–since you’re so adamant on spouting of the array of different forms of feminism.😃 I am also a anti masculinist of ANY brand. > > \*\* Ummm, no actually they didn’t. Did you read the linked thread, or any of the other ones? All they did was continue to beat the “feminists want a “zero man population” society, as the “final solution” and these fiction novels support that” drum. A very silly concept at best, and Tin-foil hat nutso at worst. ---
**Author:** ![LibrarySpy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f9ae1b/32.png) [@LibrarySpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LibrarySpy)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2003, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coldfire-not-a-warning-my-eye/218008/190 "2003-12-10T18:17:01Z")
I was going to try and explain feminism, but I decided the people who didn’t understand feminism past femi-Nazi wouldn’t listen. So I walked away. But I came back to see if **SAL** (Whose name I still don’t get) had responded. **AHunter3** , what an eloquent, spot-on post. Beautifully done. Having a background in Women’s/Men’s Studies myself, you’re only preaching to the choir. Most of my experience involves studying the re-introduction of the paradigm of masculinity into the lesbian culture. But I digress. You’re a fine example of a feminist, and I laud your attempt to wade through this thread. And **Lefty** , I enjoy your posts, as always. Never seen a recipe-themed flame war before. Quite amusing. ---
**Author:** ![sirtonyh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ad7895/32.png) [@sirtonyh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sirtonyh)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2003, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coldfire-not-a-warning-my-eye/218008/191 "2003-12-10T18:20:34Z")
**Shodan** , Congratulations. You have just replaced Coldfire as the master of the insult. Brilliant. I am in awe. :bows down to acknowledge the master: ---
**Author:** ![Ferret\_Herder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47774/32.png) [@Ferret\_Herder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferret_Herder)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2003, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coldfire-not-a-warning-my-eye/218008/192 "2003-12-10T18:21:50Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by TVAA \* > It’s the Pit. People regularly insult each other in very personal terms without being considered jerks. > > The OPer was objectively inconsistent. In case you missed it, **Coldfire** was faaaaar from the only person telling you that you were a jerk. You had something of a point, there. It was the **way** in which you chose to present same said point that turned (and pissed) people off. There’s a thread elsewhere in the pit railing on PETA (yet again) over their obnoxious “Santa’s not coming this Christmas” campaign, saying that milk leads to hardening of the arteries and impotence. They create a lot of outrage, so people do pay attention to them, but mostly to yell and scream back about how horrible they are. What truth they have in their message is often overlooked in the wake of the outrage. Think about that. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2003, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coldfire-not-a-warning-my-eye/218008/193 "2003-12-10T18:30:08Z")
**Rysler** : Satisfying and De-licious =\> Satisfying Andy Licious. yr. welcome. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2003, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coldfire-not-a-warning-my-eye/218008/194 "2003-12-10T18:44:08Z")
So, its like…irony? ---
**Author:** ![Achilles\_Last\_Stand](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a87d85/32.png) [@Achilles\_Last\_Stand](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Achilles_Last_Stand)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2003, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coldfire-not-a-warning-my-eye/218008/195 "2003-12-10T18:56:21Z")
Here is a snippet of a friend of mine’s POV on this issue right here on Straight Dope. She passed it along to me and I figure she said it quite succinctly and nailed it spot on. **Did anyone actually read the thread and see, that neither margin nor anyone else opposing Andy or \*\* David Byron** actually provided a single link or documentable source of ANY KIND WHATSOEVER??? None. Zip. Zero. Nada. Not one link, not one magazine, not one group, not one political action, not one protest…nothing. They offered approximately three personal anecdotes (I helped a friend in a divorce, I had a discussion in my dance class, and I helped a male employee once) and a lot of “Well I’m married so I don’t want men eliminated,” by some newbies, but not one provided a scintilla of evidence of any sort or a single byte of actual information to back up a thing they said about anything, while simultaneously screaming at others to do so. When others provided link after link after link, it was “WHERE IS THE CITE! CITE, PLEASE! YOU HAVEN’T PROVIDED A CITE so I don’t have to EVER provide one!” Then they call it a train wreck and blame…the ones who backed up their position??? I haven’t seen a single person there, including the “reasonable” ones, point this out. With the exception of Shodan.\*\* I happen to agree with this, yes I did read the threads, I also read where \*\* Margin\*\* claimed to have no history with David Byron elsewhere or on the Ms. Boards all the way down the garden path to " I know David Byron from the Ms. Boards and he was a troll I was there". I won’t keep the he said she said thing going, but if I am to be peppered with stupid fucking questions like “did you read the thread” I will continue to remind your that YOU are wearing the tinfoil hat and your secret decoder ring, not I. Margin has shown to be a very dishonest poster with an agenda far beyond the cherade displayed here. Everything she has played out here she rigorously throws back as everyone esles shortcoming, not hers. She has misrepresented herself, and she is a fucking idiot. Plain.And.Simple. ---
**Author:** ![LibrarySpy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f9ae1b/32.png) [@LibrarySpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LibrarySpy)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2003, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coldfire-not-a-warning-my-eye/218008/196 "2003-12-10T18:59:30Z")
**wring** , thanks! I thought there was a woman and Andy was her boyfriend and… Well. Ahem. Thanks again. ---
**Author:** ![Mtgman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b5a626/32.png) [@Mtgman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mtgman)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2003, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coldfire-not-a-warning-my-eye/218008/197 "2003-12-10T19:11:57Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by TVAA \* > \*\*Let’s see here. > > 1. A self-proclaimed victim of childhood sex abuse starts a thread in which she Pits people who use their abuse as an excuse for illegal actions. > > 2. She claims that, since people can choose what they will or will not do, citing abuse cannot be a valid excuse. > > 3. She mentions that she doesn’t believe she can bring up charges against her abuser, as she made certain statements to her abuser’s lawyer while the abuser was in the room with her. > > By her own reasoning, she is utterly responsible for lying to the lawyer, as she could have made the choice to tell the truth. Of course, we understand that her fear and intimidation resulting from the abuse is a factor – but she denies that abuse can excuse a person’s actions. > > She is thus expecting compassion and consideration that she denies to others.\*\* Is there any reason you left the factor of time elapsed since the abusive situation ended and if the abusive situation was ongoing or not out of your summary? Because I see plenty of difference between **Tanookie** condeming people who WERE abused and are LATER trying to use that abuse as an excuse for illegal behavior and **Tanookie** being coerced through the means of an ONGOING abusive situation into committing an illegal act. I believe a claim of “objectively inconsistent” requires proof of different behavior in identical, or equivelant, situations. I believe being coerced into performing an illegal act by threats of further abuse when you are still in the power of the abuser is significantly different from claiming past abuse, with no significant chance of re-occurance, as a justification for illegal behavior. Enjoy, Steven ---
**Author:** ![Coldfire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a587f6/32.png) [@Coldfire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coldfire)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2003, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coldfire-not-a-warning-my-eye/218008/198 "2003-12-10T19:18:07Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Ferret Herder \* > **In case you missed it, Coldfire was faaaaar from the only person telling you that you were a jerk. You had something of a point, there. It was the way in which you chose to present same said point that turned (and pissed) people off.** Thanks for saying exactly what I was going to say. **TVAA** , if you honestly in your heart of hearts think you were NOT a jerk in that thread, I can guarantee you one thing: you will get banned from the SDMB sooner or later. Because if you don’t see your mistake, you’ll make it again. After which, you’ll be out of here. Can’t make it any clearer than that, I’m afraid. Personal judgment doesn’t enter into it - sure, the “Don’t be a jerk” rule is not carved in stone. It’s deliberately vague: as one can’t quantify it properly anyway, why attempt to do so? The rule serves us well as it is. And most people know where the line is. Some cross it slightly, and are told to knock it off - and then they do. Some cross it gigantically, and are reprimanded - and they listen. Some keep crossing it knowingly and marginally, and eventually, they get banned. Some are too stupid to realise where the line is, and even too stupid to realise they crossed it 50 miles ago, even though it’s been pointed out to them. The latter category will get banned at some point. Guess which category you’re in, **TVAA**? ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2003, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coldfire-not-a-warning-my-eye/218008/199 "2003-12-10T20:07:30Z")
> [@](#): > > Having a background in Women’s/Men’s Studies myself, you’re **only preaching to the choir.** Which a rather apt description of the only kind of discussion allowed on the Ms. message boards. > [@](#): > > _Originally posted by Achilles Last Stand_ - > \*\*Margin has shown to be a very dishonest poster with an agenda far beyond the cherade displayed here. Everything she has played out here she rigorously throws back as everyone esles shortcoming, not hers. She has misrepresented herself, and she is a fucking idiot. \*\* Herself, and others. Welcome to the SDMB. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![IzzyR](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/2acd7d/32.png) [@IzzyR](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IzzyR)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2003, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coldfire-not-a-warning-my-eye/218008/200 "2003-12-10T20:12:44Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Coldfire \* > Personal judgment doesn’t enter into it I don’t believe this is possible, let alone true. > [@](#): > > sure, the “Don’t be a jerk” rule is not carved in stone. It’s deliberately vague: as one can’t quantify it properly anyway, why attempt to do so? The rule serves us well as it is. I’m sure it does. Because it allows you to brush off anyone who questions your highly subjective judgments. ---
**Author:** ![LibrarySpy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f9ae1b/32.png) [@LibrarySpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LibrarySpy)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2003, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coldfire-not-a-warning-my-eye/218008/201 "2003-12-10T20:29:28Z")
**Shodan** , try reading the topics Hunter listed as examples of debate on those boards. Now read this thread. See why you’re not welcome over there? No, of course you don’t. And if you think the SDMB is just a pile of steaming poo, why are you here? ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2003, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coldfire-not-a-warning-my-eye/218008/202 "2003-12-10T20:42:29Z")
**Achilles** , you’re either insane, a liar, or a guy with terrible taste in friends. Because that bit you quoted was absolutely false. I, for one, provided plenty of cites (often multiple cites in the same post) in that thread. You may disagree with the quality of cites I provided, disagree that they were relevant, disagree that they were persuasive – but it’s mindbogglingly false to claim that there were no cites. What the fuck kind of weird-ass friend do you have, anyways, who is compelled to read through a train-wreck thread on a board that she doesn’t belong to, compelled even to respond to the thread, **but not compelled to register to the board herself to respond**? Is this maybe the kind of friend that’s quadropedic, has a long trunk, and rhymes with fluffle rough-a-bus? I suspect you lie. **Shodan** , I disagree with you on most topics, and in content if not in tone I’m in agreement with **margin** on her major point (inasmuch as that major point is that **Andy** is a real dillweed). Props, however, where props are due: I recognize true artistry when I see it. Nevermind that I consider you one of the most fly-ass-fucking of not-exactly-dishonest-but-definitely-disingenuous posters out there – that was a thing of beauty. Daniel [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coldfire-not-a-warning-my-eye/218008.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coldfire-not-a-warning-my-eye/218008.md?page=11)