# Coldfire, you're a liar. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 20, 2000, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coldfire-youre-a-liar/46566 "2000-12-20T19:57:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Mr.Cynical](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ee59a6/32.png) [@Mr.Cynical](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Cynical)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2000, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coldfire-youre-a-liar/46566/61 "2000-12-27T23:14:38Z")
I have nothing other to add than the fact that I have been inspired to change my sig. Carry on, anklebiters. ---
**Author:** ![waterj2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/858c86/32.png) [@waterj2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/waterj2)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2000, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coldfire-youre-a-liar/46566/62 "2000-12-28T03:55:55Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by bj0rn \* > > > [@](#): > > > > You also seem to have a hard-on for waterj2. > > insult number 1 That’s not an insult. He is merely commenting on Mu Mu’s impeccable taste. Actually, if I were as bad as you at interpreting other posters’ intents, I would think that you claiming that having a hard-on for me is a bad thing is actually insulting me. However, I know enough of you to know that you’re just an idiot, not really trying to insult me. Anyways, how the hell did we get here? Let me think back. Someone (I can’t even remember who) complains about Manhattan’s moderating, calling him a Nazi. A few posters, myself included, defend Manhattan, and post a few insults aimed at the OP. Mu Mu comments (without providing any evidence or anything) that I don’t read what I comment on. I respond to Mu Mu saying something completely unrelated to what he said. I was really not concerned with laughing at or with Mu Mu, just figuring that I didn’t feel like arguing the point, but not really wanting to let it stand uncommented upon. Coldfire defends me and comments on Mu Mu’s posting habits. Mu Mu starts a new thread to accuse Coldfire of misrepresenting the truth in his post. Others defend Coldfire, who also posts in his own defense. Bj0rn posts to attack Coldfire, or defend Mu Mu, or simply whine about how sarcasm makes everything so gosh-darned hard to understand, I’m not really sure (while sarcasm is second nature to me, bj0rnglish is still somewhat incomprehensible). There are some accusations, without actual evidence, in defiance of Board policy, and by people who claim that sock-puppet outings are bad, that Cannon, and perhaps other “newbies” are sock puppets of certain MPSIMS moderators. No one really takes these seriously, for some strange reason. Coldfire and bj0rn resume doing what they always do whenever they post in the same thread. I recap everything. This all seems somewhat removed from the original issue of Manhattan’s supposed fascism, but that’s OK, he’s accumualted a whole new Pit thread while we’ve been taking these bizarre tangents. PS - bj0rn, there may be sarcasm used in this post, and I have followed, to the best of my knowledge, the standard conventions of the English language. Thus, you may not be able to understand some parts of it. ---
**Author:** ![TVeblen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/4bbf92/32.png) [@TVeblen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TVeblen)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2000, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coldfire-youre-a-liar/46566/63 "2000-12-28T04:32:59Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by waterj2 \* **There are some accusations, without actual evidence, in defiance of Board policy, and by people who claim that sock-puppet outings are bad, that Cannon, and perhaps other “newbies” are sock puppets of certain MPSIMS moderators.** –\>Frau Blucher shriek: _No! Iss true! He…he…he is my BOYFRIEND!_ –\< end Frau Blucher shriek; horses stop whinnying (Sorry; the idiocy seemed to call for an over-the-top facetious reply.) **No one really takes these seriously, for some strange reason.** They _don’t?!_ Then all this sturm und drang, thunder and lighting, legumes without Beano is just a lot of noise and gas? \*\*PS - bj0rn, there may be sarcasm used in this post, and I have followed, to the best of my knowledge, the standard conventions of the English language. Thus, you may not be able to understand some parts of it. \*\* English isn’t the problem; deliberate confusion, baiting and punch-and-jab tactics are the problem. Veb ---
**Author:** ![Ogre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ecb155/32.png) [@Ogre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ogre)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2000, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coldfire-youre-a-liar/46566/64 "2000-12-28T04:42:50Z")
> [@](#): > > **Milossarian** , kindly ship 1 (one) PS2 keyboard towards the Old World, _pronto_. And since we’re fighting ignorance: the _fjords_ are in Norway 😉 [pointless nitpick by a physical geographer] Iceland does indeed have its share of fjords, Coldie. [/pointless nitpick by a physical geographer] Sorry. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Milossarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/3ec8ea/32.png) [@Milossarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Milossarian)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2000, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coldfire-youre-a-liar/46566/65 "2000-12-28T05:32:35Z")
I feel so … vindicated. Ogre, I owe you a low-cost, Midwestern, macro-brewed beer. ---
**Author:** ![Ogre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ecb155/32.png) [@Ogre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ogre)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2000, 5:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coldfire-youre-a-liar/46566/66 "2000-12-28T05:34:32Z")
No charge, Milossarian, although it may be applied toward future services and accounts outstanding. Only 232 more bail-outs to go, and you owe me a Guinness. ---
**Author:** ![waterj2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/858c86/32.png) [@waterj2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/waterj2)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2000, 8:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coldfire-youre-a-liar/46566/67 "2000-12-28T08:00:08Z")
And now that I’ve got some more time, I’ll tackle bj0rn’s arguments. Before we begin, though, I would like to point out to Coldfire that a brief search of antagonistic ATMB threads I’ve been involved in didn’t turn up any Mu Mu posts, but I’m positive there are a couple. So, I think you might be confusing Mu Mu with some of the company he shared in a couple threads. Maybe there are several people that share a single dick pointed in my general direction, and they trade off with it. Now for bj0rn: > [@](#): > > he is posting, doesnt that help any message board? Of course not. Lies and gratuitious insults are two obvious examples of things this message board wouldd be better off without. Not that Mu Mu has done either, just that they are two better counter-examples to your claim. > [@](#): > > oh mister high and mighty, pardon us for our stupidity…we are not worthy of your holy flames. can you please see it in your heart to send us a match so we can flame ourselves. I believe his point was that Mu Mu was becoming a smoldering ash heap on his own, and quite not in need of any help flaming himself. > [@](#): > > is that a statement of fact or just your observation? it sure looks like a statment of fact, and let me tell you coldfire dearest, you are wrong. > not because your statement is wrong, but because it is a wrong statement, the possibility exists that this statement you made is false, thus it is wrong. This is simply absurd. If I say that it is going to rain tomorrow, it is not considered a “wrong statement” by anyone I’ve ever met if the chances of rain are only 98%. People generally accept that a statement of fact has a finite chance of not being entirely accurate. Simply put, your logic is contrary to the general understanding people have about how to communicate effectively with each other. > [@](#): > > another “because” reply to my observation of your statment is, because i belive him. And there are probably half a billion people in China who, if asked, would guess that he’s telling the truth (I’d imagine that with no other information, they’d be evenly split). However, I think it was pretty clear that Coldfire was indulging in mild hyperbole. Is that next on your list of figures of speech to eliminate in the quest for English to be understood by every brain-addled Icelander with access to the internet. > [@](#): > > although you have a couple of methods which you use when you flame people, they all have one purpose, to demean the person you are flaming in an elegant, not so polite and stupid way. You’ve got an odd definition of elegance. I think you mean eloquent. I’ve always thought the idea of flaming was to pint out how incredibly stupid an idea or opinion, or even a person in general, is. > [@](#): > > your flame is seldom true, most of your smart replies are simply put, lies. other replies do not matter for they are insults, meant to make people see the insulted statement as nonsense. Without any evidence of a single lie by Coldfire, I’m going to consider myself under no obligation to take it seriously. > [@](#): > > should i give an example? > sure…but while there are numerous examples all over the message board i will only provide one, for if people bother to look, they all look the same. > the following is from this thread: And then what follows is a sequence of Coldfire quotes that bj0rn does not actually find any lies in. > [@](#): > > like that hasnt happened before. obviously in this case the op wasnt suited for the original thread, hence it was posted in the pit. any more silly remarks? You assert that the original thread would have been an inappropriate place for the OP to have complained, because the complaint belonged in the Pit. Obviously, you are unaware that the original thread was already in the Pit. > [@](#): > > anyhows, that does not matter, what matter is that you never seem to be able to critizise yourself or what you say, you are never wrong and you always think you have an answer. if you dont you disguise it in an insult that demeans the original speaker. What exactly do you mean by “criticize yourself”? Do you read any other forums, because Coldfire spends a fuckload of time in MPSIMS doing things other than demean people. > [@](#): > > not a very good way do debate. Not a complete sentence. > [@](#): > > i would not in a million years exchange anything i already possess for english finesse… And what, exactly, would you have to give up to put fucking capital letters at the beginning of a sentence? If you want to be taken seriously, rather than mocked, you might want to try attempting to follow the basic rules that the rest of us use to communicate our thoughts. Logic might help as well. > [@](#): > > perhaps i sunk down to coldfires level of posting when i broke his post down in a “traditional” pit fashion. but i was hoping he understood it as something similar to his own. While Coldfire’s post was no incredible thing of beauty, it was far from similar to your own attempt. For example, Coldfire made sense. Colfire was literate. Coldfire was amusing. Your offering was based in faulty logic and incoherently presented. ---
**Author:** ![Milossarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/3ec8ea/32.png) [@Milossarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Milossarian)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2000, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coldfire-youre-a-liar/46566/68 "2000-12-28T17:08:46Z")
> [@](#): > > **Milossarian** , kindly ship 1 (one) PS2 keyboard towards the Old World,\* pronto\*. Shee-it. Like there’s any to be found _here_. Try Japan, my friend. ---
**Author:** ![SuaSponte](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/67e7ee/32.png) [@SuaSponte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuaSponte)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2000, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coldfire-youre-a-liar/46566/69 "2000-12-28T23:56:20Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by waterj2 \* > Anyways, how the hell did we get here? Let me think back. > > Someone (I can’t even remember who) complains about Manhattan’s moderating, calling him a Nazi. > > ( **waterj2** allegedly recaps everything) > > I recap **everything**. Liar!! LIAR!!! In your so-called “recap”, you didn’t even mention the massive penis. Can no one be truthful here?! Sua ---
**Author:** ![bj0rn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a88e57/32.png) [@bj0rn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bj0rn)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2000, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coldfire-youre-a-liar/46566/70 "2000-12-29T13:49:24Z")
> [@](#): > > bj0rn, I know you won’t believe this. But this thread isn’t about you you are quite correct, this thread is about you, not me. i never in my wildest dreams imagined that this thread was about me. rousseau isnt here…although i have to say i miss him. sorry waterj2, i shouldnt have quoted your name too, it wasnt a part of the insult… my mistake. > [@](#): > > Coldfire defends me and comments on Mu Mu’s posting habits. why did he comment on mumus posting habits like he did? for the record: > [@](#): > > Ah, Mu Mu is back again as well. When the word “moderator” and “fascist”/“hypocrite” appear in the same thread, he is one of the li’l critters that come out of hybernation and all mumu did was comment on something waterj2 said… > [@](#): > > “he is posting, doesnt that help any message board?” > Of course not. Lies and gratuitious insults are two obvious examples of things this message board wouldd be better off without. Not that Mu Mu has done either yes, and? posting against the purpose of the message board does of course not help the message board, but is one supposed to assume people do that? > [@](#): > > oh mister high and mighty, pardon us for our stupidity…we are not worthy of your holy flames. can you please see it in your heart to send us a match so we can flame ourselves. yes, this was silly…sorry about that. > [@](#): > > If I say that it is going to rain tomorrow, it is not considered a “wrong statement” by anyone I’ve ever met if the chances of rain are only 98%. People generally accept that a statement of fact has a finite chance of not being entirely accurate its a “wrong statement”. if you are saying it is going to rain tomorrow the chances are 100%. how often has the weatherman said there will be rain here and there and the next day there is no rain? people accepted the statement as it was made but were disappointed the next day because it was false. > [@](#): > > You’ve got an odd definition of elegance. I think you mean eloquent. I’ve always thought the idea of flaming was to pint out how incredibly stupid an idea or opinion, or even a person in general, is. probably, if i knew what eloquent meant… but if your “pint” isnt true? how stupid does that make you look? this is where i and coldfire have our differances: coldfire: > [@](#): > > Comprehension of a language includes a fair grasp on style attributes such as irony and sarcasm. They are not lies, they are a manner of speaking (bear with me folks, I’m just using small words to get the message across). They often constitute and/or convey humour, anger, disdain i call it lies, he and some other people do. > [@](#): > > Obviously, you are unaware that the original thread was already in the Pit. sorry about that, i should have double checked. > [@](#): > > Not a complete sentence. not a correction > [@](#): > > If you want to be taken seriously, rather than mocked so, its either being taken seriously or being mocked? > [@](#): > > While Coldfire’s post was no incredible thing of beauty, it was far from similar to your own attempt. yes, i am not going to pretend i am good at this. > [@](#): > > our offering was based in faulty logic and incoherently presented. i dont mind the “incoherently presented”, thats something ive been working on for a while, and people tell me im getting better at this coherent thingy than i was. the “faulty logic” on the other hand i am not so willing to accept. my “logic”: > [@](#): > > not because your statement is wrong, but because it is a wrong statement, the possibility exists that this statement you made is false, thus it is wrong. everything else i said can only be described as “observation”…or something like that, im not that good with verbs. how can this logic be “false”? bj0rn - happy new year… ---
**Author:** ![pepperlandgirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f17d59/32.png) [@pepperlandgirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pepperlandgirl)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2000, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coldfire-youre-a-liar/46566/71 "2000-12-29T16:08:45Z")
> [@](#): > > ``` > so, its either being taken seriously or being mocked? > > ``` Uh, yeah. Do you know of any other options? Maybe ignoring you, like I have been up to this point. Except, I haven’t really been ignoring you, I just haven’t posted any mocking. Of course, I wouldn’t have to go that extreme if I could take anything you say seriously. ---
**Author:** ![TVeblen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/4bbf92/32.png) [@TVeblen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TVeblen)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2000, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coldfire-youre-a-liar/46566/72 "2000-12-29T17:33:47Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by bj0rn \* > (Quotes selected as illustrations…) > > \*\*posting against the purpose of the message board does of course not help the message board, but is one supposed to assume people do that? > > its a “wrong statement”. if you are saying it is going to rain tomorrow the chances are 100%. > how often has the weatherman said there will be rain here and there and the next day there is no rain? people accepted the statement as it was made but were disappointed the next day because it was false. > > this is where i and coldfire have our differances: > coldfire: > > > [@](#): > > > > Comprehension of a language includes a fair grasp on style attributes such as irony and sarcasm. They are not lies, they are a manner of speaking (bear with me folks, I’m just using small words to get the message across). They often constitute and/or convey humour, anger, disdain > > i call it lies, he and some other people do. > > so, its either being taken seriously or being mocked? > > i dont mind the “incoherently presented”, thats something ive been working on for a while, and people tell me im getting better at this coherent thingy than i was. > the “faulty logic” on the other hand i am not so willing to accept. > > \*\* Like being stoned to death with popcorn, isn’t it? Veb ---
**Author:** ![Coldfire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a587f6/32.png) [@Coldfire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coldfire)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2000, 11:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coldfire-youre-a-liar/46566/73 "2000-12-30T11:43:56Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by bj0rn \* > **probably, if i knew what eloquent meant…** I’m printing and framing this one for future moments of despair - sheer beauty. And thanks for the laughs, the rest of ya. This has pretty much run its course, right? Is there anything else **Mu Mu** , **bj0rn** , or any other, errmm, _valuable, contributing member of this fine message board_ would like to accuse me of? ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2000, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coldfire-youre-a-liar/46566/74 "2000-12-30T15:12:46Z")
To tell the truth, I havent read ANY if this thread except Coldy’s last post, but I do have a few things to accuse you of, so here goes. Coldfire, I accuse you of: Being funny. How the hell are the rest of us supposed to keep up? Being cute. I’ve see your new pic on the people pages, and I just know that after seeing you, the women of the SD aren’t even going to give the other SD men the time of day. Being smart. In a European sort of way. While we’re at it, I accuse you of being insufferably pleased you’re not an American. And finally, I accuse you of being an all around nice guy, and a good friend to boot. Go stuff yourself, you hoser. And stick you finger in a dyke while you’re at it. ( hope she dosent mind TOOO much…) 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![bj0rn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a88e57/32.png) [@bj0rn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bj0rn)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2001, 9:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coldfire-youre-a-liar/46566/75 "2001-01-02T09:44:14Z")
yes, i would like to add this to the thread… > [@](#): > > Ah, Mu Mu is back again as well. When the word “moderator” and “fascist”/“hypocrite” appear in the same thread, he is one of the li’l critters that come out of hybernation. How fun. Did you bring all your friends too, Mu Mu? followed with this simple question you should have no difficulties understanding: “is this statement you made, in your best knowledge, untrue?” bj0rn - question asked! ---
**Author:** ![SPOOFE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@SPOOFE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SPOOFE)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2001, 11:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coldfire-youre-a-liar/46566/76 "2001-01-02T11:33:11Z")
> [@](#): > > “is this statement you made, in your best knowledge, untrue?” That depends on what your definition of “is” is. Holy hell, watching bj0rn is like watching an episode of “Barney”… ---
**Author:** ![bj0rn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a88e57/32.png) [@bj0rn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bj0rn)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2001, 11:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coldfire-youre-a-liar/46566/77 "2001-01-02T11:48:46Z")
how does that depend on my definition of “is”? bj0rn - … ---
**Author:** ![SPOOFE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@SPOOFE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SPOOFE)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2001, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coldfire-youre-a-liar/46566/78 "2001-01-02T12:56:17Z")
Two separate comments, bj0rnie. I don’t think someone incapable of reading an MLA handbook should be critical of another’s less-than-clearcut posts. ---
**Author:** ![bj0rn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a88e57/32.png) [@bj0rn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bj0rn)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2001, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coldfire-youre-a-liar/46566/79 "2001-01-02T13:25:03Z")
> [@](#): > > Two separate comments, bj0rnie. comment number 1 = stupid comment number 2 = stupid > [@](#): > > I don’t think someone incapable of reading an MLA handbook should be critical of another’s less-than-clearcut posts you are correct, i am incapable of reading an MLA handbook because if have no clue what MLA means. but when did i critizise your post as less-than-clearcut? i was hoping you would explain to me why the definition of “is” matters. bj0rn - … ---
**Author:** ![Coldfire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a587f6/32.png) [@Coldfire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coldfire)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2001, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coldfire-youre-a-liar/46566/80 "2001-01-02T15:33:50Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by bj0rn \* > **"is this statement you made, in your best knowledge, untrue?"** No. Now go away. Coldfire - raspberry camel shit [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coldfire-youre-a-liar/46566.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coldfire-youre-a-liar/46566.md?page=5)