# Coldfire **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 13, 2004, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coldfire/254919 "2004-07-13T16:27:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Aries28](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Aries28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aries28)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2004, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coldfire/254919/41 "2004-07-13T18:18:26Z")
Damn, **Coldfire** you have the patience of Job. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2004, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coldfire/254919/42 "2004-07-13T18:20:37Z")
> [@Aldebaran](#): > > And sadly, but the issues I touch are often confrontational by default when they go about the US and its politics. > And sadly, nobody shall ever make me write good about what is wrong or do it with fluffy handgloves. I told you a year ago that I can not change myself or my writing style. > A lot of people have their own style of posting. Do you have similar “sadly” problems with them too? Hahahahah! This is a joke, right? I mean, you are writing like this on purpose, to make a point, right? ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Ashtar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ea924/32.png) [@Lord\_Ashtar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Ashtar)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2004, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coldfire/254919/43 "2004-07-13T18:24:57Z")
> [@Aldebaran](#): > > Well, you can doubt it, yet it does exist. Since you are so interested maybe you can tell me that I read this completely wrong. > > \*\*Quote: > > I never said that you were the greatest scum one can imagine. Do not put words in my mouth. I have seen MUCH greater scum. > > end quote\*\* > > It is of course a great comfort that said administrator was so nice to declare to have seen alread MUCH greater scum then I am supposed to be. > > Salaam. A 1.) This doesn’t prove that an admin of this board said that. I could just as easily post something which claims you emailed me and said you like to wear pink baby doll dresses and perform fellatio on camels. Obviously you didn’t, and neither does the above prove an admin called you scum. 2.) Sounds like you claimed the admin called you scum, and s/he was correcting you. In fact, s/he said as much: “I never said that you were the greatest scum one can imagine. Do not put words in my mouth.” 3.) Hi, **Opal**! (I’ve always wanted to do that!) 4.) The rest of the quote was a joke. Just a joke. If you can’t see that, then there is no hope for you. ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2004, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coldfire/254919/44 "2004-07-13T18:28:58Z")
> [@lno](#): > > Given that you have stated that English is not one of your languages, I am forced to conclude that we are speaking Dutch to each other, which to my great amazement, looks and sounds exactly like English. Dutch? No, not Dutch. Rigellian. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2004, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coldfire/254919/45 "2004-07-13T18:34:55Z")
> [@Aldebaran](#): > > Sarcasm? You mean as in : Clearly intended to say that I am not the greatest scum the moderator ever encountered on this board. Meaning that while I am scum, there were worse cases of scum in the past. No, clearly intended to say that there are some examples of bad scum on this board but you are not scum. For clarification, see what **Lord Ashtar** said a couple of posts up. ---
**Author:** ![lno](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a8b319/32.png) [@lno](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lno)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2004, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coldfire/254919/46 "2004-07-13T18:36:30Z")
I was wondering whether to make that joke, **asterion**. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Aldebaran](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Aldebaran](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aldebaran)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2004, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coldfire/254919/47 "2004-07-13T18:37:37Z")
DMC, Me posting yes or no an apology for misreading intentions behind a thread title, has in my opinion nothing to do with others posting comments on a quesiton I asked clairobscure considering the languages known by someone he mentioned to have discussed the issue of the OP. I don’t post in Palestine/israel threads for the simple reason that that issue has the potential to really work on my nerves. (I have no idea what you meant by your A, B C comment or to what if refers.) Salaam. A ---
**Author:** ![Grey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b782af/32.png) [@Grey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grey)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2004, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coldfire/254919/48 "2004-07-13T18:52:02Z")
Quotes directed at **clairobscur** by our hero. > [@](#): > > Thank you for the inaccuracy and the bigotry in the title of your thread. You do not know if these attackers were indeed Arabs. You seem to even have no idea of it that not every one living in the MENA region is by definition Arab. > [@](#): > > Really? They why the bigotry in your title? Don’t you see your own faults here all why you start ranting about the bigotry in the chatroom? I mean you did retract those comments right? ---
**Author:** ![Mehitabel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8797f3/32.png) [@Mehitabel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mehitabel)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2004, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coldfire/254919/49 "2004-07-13T18:53:54Z")
Well, the question of the country you’re from is pertinent so we know where _you’re_ coming from, that’s all. I’m pretty sure you’re from SA because they have a great many wealthy people who sometimes marry Europeans, like your father did; that you married your first wife at age twenty, which means you’re not in some little tribal village because you’d have been married long before that; that you no job or means of support that we can discern (surely no university would put up with such sloppy research for long); that you nevertheless have the money to travel to the US and Europe for pleasure, and a weeklong(!) wedding ceremony, despite the tragic early death of your father; that you majored in ‘Islamic studies’, widely considered the easy major for Saudi youth; that you have such a large household staff that you recently created a moving MPSIMS thread on the death of your old governess; and that you get your news mostly from sources available within the Kingdom. If I’m wrong, all you have to do is post the country and I’ll apologize. QED. ---
**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2004, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coldfire/254919/50 "2004-07-13T19:00:50Z")
**Aldebaran** - I agree that you could be a great asset to this board if you would just calm down a little bit. Sometimes people will piss you off and sometimes you will piss people off; it happens to all of us here. Just don’t take it so hard, and don’t assume people are always _trying_ to piss you off. If I may quote Johnny LA from another thread: > [@](#): > > if a guy says something that can be taken the right way, or the wrong way, he always means it in the right way. Try to remember that not just on these boards, but in life Aldebaran. ---
**Author:** ![Aldebaran](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Aldebaran](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aldebaran)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2004, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coldfire/254919/51 "2004-07-13T19:12:46Z")
> [@Grey](#): > > I mean you did retract those comments right? No I did not. The discussion got that much derailed that I even didn’t went back to re-read what I wrote. I agree completely that my reaction on that title probably comes across as not called for to someone who is not Arab. It was inspired by the wording of the title which was a direct insult at me since I am after all such a “Filthy Arab” as that sentence refers to. Afterwords clairobscur explained why he choosed that title. I still don’t see the reason behind it, if that comes from a chatroom or not. People who do not open the link read only the title. So why should I apologize for calling something bigotted that _is_ I perceived by me as insulting and bigotted simply by the fact that it is there in a thread title? Salaam. A ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2004, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coldfire/254919/52 "2004-07-13T19:15:29Z")
Your wife is a stupid cow. ---
**Author:** ![DMC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dmc/32/18049_2.png) [@DMC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DMC)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2004, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coldfire/254919/53 "2004-07-13T19:19:25Z")
> [@Aldebaran](#): > > Me posting yes or no an apology for misreading intentions behind a thread title, has in my opinion nothing to do with others posting comments on a quesiton I asked clairobscure considering the languages known by someone he mentioned to have discussed the issue of the OP. Sure it does. Manners have EVERYTHING to do with how you are treated. If you post in a adversarial manner, you will be treated in that manner. Don’t get me wrong, there are times to be so, and with gusto. I just think that you picked the wrong time. I still like you either way, but I do think you owe her an apology for slamming her on her thread title choice. I actually found it fit the OP quite well, and lord knows I’m not on the opposite side of this issue from you. > [@](#): > > I don’t post in Palestine/israel threads for the simple reason that that issue has the potential to really work on my nerves. I hear that, even though I often dive in when I know it will just frustrate me. 🙂 > [@](#): > > (I have no idea what you meant by your A, B C comment or to what if refers.) This refers to a practice which I stated you have not yet fully engaged in, that I have seen, but that you seem at times to be treading awfully close to doing. While you now avoid them, it’s happened so many times that you’ve seen the example I’ll give. It happens quite frequently in the threads where an Israeli government action is criticized. It goes something like this: “You all always criticize Israel, but never the Palestinians. Do you think suicide bombing is okay?” Once again, I don’t see that sort of thing by you yet, just sort of hints that you are moving that way, but keep in mind that someone NOT mentioning something is not the same as condoning it. I wish you well, and hope you are around for a long time to come. I truly mean the little criticism as purely constructive. ---
**Author:** ![Aldebaran](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Aldebaran](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aldebaran)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2004, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coldfire/254919/54 "2004-07-13T19:21:30Z")
> [@Mehitabel](#): > > Well, the question of the country you’re from is pertinent so we know where _you’re_ coming from, that’s all. See on the right top of your screen, and read: A Tent With A View in the Middle East. What can be clearer? The rest of your post is good as a a bed-time story for children beneath 5. I do not want you to “apologize” for your vivid fantasy. Dream further and be happy. You only need to stop spreading nonsense about my “location” and whatever about me because spreading invented “information” about a member misleading the other members is in my opinion against the board’s rules. One can never know these days I suppose, yet I think I received confirmation that it is. Salaam. A ---
**Author:** ![Grey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b782af/32.png) [@Grey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grey)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2004, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coldfire/254919/55 "2004-07-13T19:27:30Z")
> [@Aldebaran](#): > > No I did not. The discussion got that much derailed that I even didn’t went back to re-read what I wrote. I agree completely that my reaction on that title probably comes across as not called for to someone who is not Arab. It was inspired by the wording of the title which was a direct insult at me since I am after all such a “Filthy Arab” as that sentence refers to. > > Afterwords clairobscur explained why he choosed that title. I still don’t see the reason behind it, if that comes from a chatroom or not. People who do not open the link read only the title. > So why should I apologize for calling something bigotted that _is_ I perceived by me as insulting and bigotted simply by the fact that it is there in a thread title? > > Salaam. A Well now I’m simply a delicate flower in the hot house of your intellect, but it would appear that once the lack of bigotry was pointed out a mature and sensible person would retract and/or apologize for their highly offensive remark. I mean who could be more mature and sensible then yourself? ---
**Author:** ![Aldebaran](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Aldebaran](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aldebaran)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2004, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coldfire/254919/56 "2004-07-13T19:31:02Z")
> [@grienspace](#): > > Your wife is a stupid cow. gienspace I think you went posting in a wrong thread. We are not discussing the life stock of members here. Maybe Coldfire can guide it to the right place… Does anyone know where there is an active thread involving life stock posting and where someone is married to a stupid cow? Salaam. A ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2004, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coldfire/254919/57 "2004-07-13T19:41:02Z")
Most of us here at the SDMB do not consider wives as life stock ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2004, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coldfire/254919/58 "2004-07-13T19:44:32Z")
> [@Aldebaran](#): > > See on the right top of your screen, and read: A Tent With A View in the Middle East. What can be clearer? Medina? Damascus? Tel Aviv? Camped out between the legs of the Sphinx? Just as when you had your location as “Middle East” only in Arabic, it is not clear at all. ---
**Author:** ![Aldebaran](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Aldebaran](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aldebaran)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2004, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coldfire/254919/59 "2004-07-13T19:54:47Z")
> [@DMC](#): > > Sure it does. Manners have EVERYTHING to do with how you are treated. If you post in a adversarial manner, you will be treated in that manner. Except for the fact that certain members shall always react the way they do because that is the way they decide to react since the first post I ever made here. So no, the comment of broomstick, completely twisting the questions I asked clairobscur has nothing to do with this. > [@](#): > > Don’t get me wrong, there are times to be so, and with gusto. I just think that you picked the wrong time. I still like you either way, but I do think you owe her an apology for slamming her on her thread title choice. I actually found it fit the OP quite well, and lord knows I’m not on the opposite side of this issue from you. Maybe you have an other understanding of that sentence then I do. He opened the OP with the train story, which is very much in line with the intention of the title. Then switched onto saying that this part of the OP was not the intention of the thread. His discussion with people outside this website related to the train story was the intention of the thread. Now you tell me what that title has to see with that, other then declaring what it declares, while the discussion must go about the reaction of people with whom C. says he does not agree. I forgot to answer your remark about titles of “gay threads”. If I was gay, I would most certainly be insulted by such titles. I’m almost certain that many gay people posting or reading here are. > [@](#): > > It goes something like this: “You all always criticize Israel, but never the Palestinians. Do you think suicide bombing is okay?” Once again, I don’t see that sort of thing by you yet, No I don’t and I shall never do. I see similar comments coming whenever posting something about Iraq. It has slowed down a bit recently, but being called US hater, Saddam lover etc… was a real joy to wacth since you could predict when, where and by whom it would be posted to you. The US hater is of course still available. As are now and then comments on me being Muslim and Arab on top of that, which myust lead to… (see post above of Mehitabel giving the readers a “hint” where I live, what I do, what I _studied and read “because” of this_. You can not hope to make such people other then they are. > [@](#): > > just sort of hints that you are moving that way, but keep in mind that someone NOT mentioning something is not the same as condoning it. I really have no clue what you are hinting at. > [@](#): > > I wish you well, and hope you are around for a long time to come. I truly mean the little criticism as purely constructive. I know that. I didn’t read much of your posts I think., but thank you for the effort. And thank you for your condolences in that other thread. I think it is not a good idea for me to be on this board and even posting on it while I am even not interested if it is day or night outside. I’m used to death hitting me the closest it can yet I feel like if this was one time too much and too hard. So it is better that I stop this. Probably they shall ban me anyway. May I wish you the very best. Salaam. A ---
**Author:** ![Grey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b782af/32.png) [@Grey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grey)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2004, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coldfire/254919/60 "2004-07-13T19:59:45Z")
Would someone _please_ ban him and give him the cross he so desperately wants to climb? :rolleyes: [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coldfire/254919.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coldfire/254919.md?page=4)