The other one is for little dogs.
Tell me again why this is relevant?
Strangely, almost all of the janitors and dishwashers at my Uni in Australia are Asian. They do the same jobs that black people did at the Uni’s I worked for in the US. We have tons of bad Asian students who cannot speak English and don’t know the first thing about going to college.
As an aside-reading the Wall Street Journal for your higher education is really lazy. And this Griffe Lion stuff is a joke.
bannerrefugee,
Someone above asked why average group differences have arisen. I set out one possible reason #55 above.
Brain Glutton asked for a citation regarding the heritability of intelligence.
You’re using anecdotal evidence & then accusing me of being lazy!
As for the ‘Griffe Lion stuff’, what do you disagree with? The data is pretty consistent. See the 2001 meta-analysis by Philip L Roth - “Ethnic Group Differences in Cognitive Ability in Employment and Educational Settings: A Meta-Analysis”.
Roth & co looked at 105 different studies covering 6,246,729 individuals and found an overall average difference between whites and blacks of 16.5 IQ points, or 1.1 standard deviations.
Otherwise see Gottfredson, Linda S. Psychology, Public Policy, and Law. Vol 6(1), Mar 2000, 129-143
Repeat after me, folks:
Correlation is not causation.
Complex human traits like intelligence are influenced by hundreds of genes in interaction with the environment.
One more time Chen019 what do IQ scores have to do with addmissions policies at Unis?
I don’t see how you can get out of this unless you think that gene-environment interaction is so strong that we can’t learn anything (even statistical things) by just looking at the genetic information alone. This is a very strong and speculative assumption.
Because people claim that there should be equal representation across groups. But clearly groups differ in average ability so there is no reason to expect this anymore than you would equal representation in the NBA.
It really 9 parts threadshitting… Like any true “race realist” all threads will lead to “Blecks iz dum;” therefore I must lead all threads to “Blecks iz dum.” The only goal behind this is to lead all available discussions to their “race theory.”
It is nothing more complicated then that. Just dishonest, one-track, misleading, racist spam.
Orcenio, isn’t part of the problem that people can’t face reality? The idea that Jews are overrepresented in academia can’t be due to selection for high intelligence - it must be some conspiracy. Hence the need to press for more diversity to overcome the unfairness.
Obviously, if the realists are right then a lot of the justification for these complaints go out the window.
http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2010/01/mit_lags_in_hir.html
You hit the nail right on the head Mr. Hammer.
Assumption does not follow Observation, Mr. Darwin.
Your conclusion seems to be fabricated too…
“hence”?!? You’re onto full blown “wack job” territory now.
Who is it that is complaining of “Jewish over education”??? Nazis?
Nice story and hey, hey look at this quote
Still under 30%, but they’re raising it. Awesome… keep at it MIT! 
I don’t know, perhaps the same people who are complaining that there are too many Asians & whites. The reason why you don’t get proportionality is set out by Linda Gottfredson #64 above.
Wait a minute, now the complains are that there are too many Asians & whites and Jews? :dubious:
Perhaps you mean that people complain that there are not enough Blacks/Hispanics?
…lol, 
of course you don’t!
I don’t know anyone in higher ed that has such a silly naïve concept of appropriate measure to increase the representation of women and minorities in areas of education. I am sure if you look hard enough you can find one though
The dilemma that universities have is that gaps between racial groups are large–they are not “just a few SAT points” and they are not ameliorated by selecting for equal opportunity.
As an example, black children attending my wealthy suburban school are not proportionately represented in the top academic tier. As an example, black children from families who earn over $100,000/yr score less well than white children from families earning $10,000/yr. As another example, black students taking identical pre-med college curricula underscore white and asian students on MCAT and LSAT exams by a wide margin even after having the same college schooling. As another example, universities with rigorous quantifiable programs in the STEM disciplines (Science, Technology, Engineering, Math) have never been able to get black students through their PhD programs in any sort of representative numbers.
The debate over “why” has been beaten up elsewhere, but the bottom line is that without special programs which deliberately target and set aside racial quotas, there is no way to get racial diversity. Equal opportunity alone does not create equal outcomes.
If we are to create a society where the representation of people in skilled professions represents the the racial diversity of society as a whole, we will have to set aside race-based quotas and simply accept that those filling those quotas are less “qualified” academically.
Specific data about how this works out in practice are very difficult to come by because higher institutions have no interest in exposing their recruitment process and race-based preferences. Data on actual race-based performance are widely available for those interested in pursuing the topic.
Well, the only way to determine that with certainty is to actually have equal opportunity. We’re a long way away from that yet.
Maybe, maybe not. Extrapolating from the current state of society, which has a lot of race-linked outcome differentials and also a lot of institutionalized racism, to arbitrary generalizations about what must be intrinsically true about race and society even in the absence of racial prejudice, is not very persuasive.
This sounds like classic paranoid-conspiracy-theory thinking: "they’re keeping the truth a deep dark secret because THEY DON’T WANT YOU TO KNOW!!! :eek: ". In reality, higher ed institutions never stop talking about their recruitment processes and how they establish and achieve specific goals for diversity and minority recruitment. Details of recruitment and admissions policies are constantly being hashed out in court cases and in education research publications.
You mean socialism? Note the outcomes of children from high SES families. These support CP’s argument that equal opportunity does not create equal outcomes.
Never mind. Either you just edited out the point I wanted to argue or I’m freaking out again.
Well, I did initially post wondering what evidence Kimstu had of all this institutional racism. Then edited it.
Sure. To clarify terms: by “institutionalized”, I’m not talking about racism being still officially enshrined in US law. I’m talking about persistent racist views that are still influential in our society and its institutions.
There are numerous studies that clearly show the persistence of racial discrimination in the US. A few samples of articles describing them:
Racial discrimination continues to play a part in hiring decisions
Racial Discrimination in Housing: A Moving Target
Racism in NYC Restaurant Hiring: Matched Study
No, I would hate to think that socialism was the only option for achieving a racially egalitarian society (although I have to admit that the Communists were much quicker to espouse racial equality than we were). I’d like to think that a mixed economic structure of more or less the sort we have now could be successful in moving us all the way from legalized race-based chattel slavery to true racial equality. Maybe we’ll get there someday.
That inference requires believing that the existence of some minority families with high socioeconomic status equates to truly equal opportunity in society and culture. That’s too much of a leap of faith for me.
Mind you, I’m not declaring that there can’t possibly be significant race-linked outcome differentials in a society with truly equal opportunity. I’m just pointing out that so far, we don’t have the experimental conditions that would allow us to test that hypothesis.