# College Football 2023 **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Tags:** football-nfl\ **Created:** [September 10, 2023, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/college-football-2023/989861 "2023-09-10T02:38:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2023, 5:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/college-football-2023/989861/81 "2023-10-16T05:43:59Z")
Two weeks ago, Oregon State tried to surprise Cal with an onside kick. A Cal guy fielded it cleanly and returned it 30 yards, followed soon after by a TD. (OSU won anyway). Just goes to show you that even good teams do stupid things sometimes. ---
**Author:** ![That\_Don\_Guy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/that_don_guy/32/538_2.png) [@That\_Don\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/That_Don_Guy)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2023, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/college-football-2023/989861/82 "2023-10-18T18:28:07Z")
Now that James Madison has 6 wins, there are calls for the NCAA to reconsider its decision to not grant it a bowl eligibility waiver, including one from Virginia’s Attorney General. Since JMU is in the second year of its FCS-to-FBS transition, it cannot become bowl eligible unless there are not at least 82 other 6-or-more-win teams (including a possibly 6-7 Hawaii and New Mexico State, but not a 6-6 Army (as it plays two FCS teams) or a 6-win Jacksonville State (as it is also in transition, as is Sam Houston, although I doubt it will get to 6). It asked the NCAA for a waiver to become bowl eligible with 6 wins before the season started, as it played a “full FBS schedule” last year, but the NCAA turned it down. Since the teams that are eligible for bowls should be known by 11/26 (the only real possible exceptions are Army and Navy), and most of the bowl bids won’t be announced until 12/3, the NCAA could be waiting to see if JMU needs a waiver before deciding whether or not to give it one. Note that reports of this possibly costing JMU a Fiesta Bowl berth may be wrong; the Sun Belt Conference commissioner has already said that JMU is ineligible for the conference championship, and only the highest ranked conference champion of a non-Power 5 conference is guaranteed a CFP bowl spot. ---
**Author:** ![That\_Don\_Guy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/that_don_guy/32/538_2.png) [@That\_Don\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/That_Don_Guy)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2023, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/college-football-2023/989861/83 "2023-10-19T16:31:29Z")
> [@That\_Don\_Guy](#): > > Now that James Madison has 6 wins, there are calls for the NCAA to reconsider its decision to not grant it a bowl eligibility waiver, including one from Virginia’s Attorney General. Update: the NCAA responded to the Virginia AG’s request: waiver denied. ---
**Author:** ![lum\_s\_husband](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lum_s_husband/32/3698_2.png) [@lum\_s\_husband](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lum_s_husband)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2023, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/college-football-2023/989861/84 "2023-10-19T17:10:41Z")
Could someone explain the advantages a new to Division 1A school has over those already there that justifies them being excluded from eligibility? ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2023, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/college-football-2023/989861/85 "2023-10-22T04:23:55Z")
I think the very technical answer is, “We already got ours.” ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2023, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/college-football-2023/989861/86 "2023-10-22T20:22:01Z")
> [@Gatopescado](#): > > Hell, they are probably going to be effectively done next week. I hate being right. Good thing it doesn’t happen too often. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2023, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/college-football-2023/989861/87 "2023-10-22T20:43:24Z")
George Mason is now AP #25. It’ll be real hard to hold a ranked team out of a bowl because of some dumbass rule. ---
**Author:** ![That\_Don\_Guy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/that_don_guy/32/538_2.png) [@That\_Don\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/That_Don_Guy)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2023, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/college-football-2023/989861/88 "2023-10-24T18:38:30Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > James Madison is now AP #25. It’ll be real hard to hold a ranked team out of a bowl because of some dumbass rule. The first CFP rankings are next Tuesday; assuming JMU wins, I wonder if the committee will send a message to the NCAA by ranking them. Note that even if JMU ends up higher than, say, a Mountain West champion Air Force, and there aren’t 82 other 6-win teams so JMU is bowl eligible after all, the CFP would still have to give its non-Power 5 spot to Air Force, as it has to be a conference champion. (If you want JMU to be eligible for the Sun Belt championship, you’ll have to go to the conference; the NCAA has no say in that matter.) ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2023, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/college-football-2023/989861/89 "2023-10-28T20:20:54Z")
Oh, Cal! ---
**Author:** ![Chingon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chingon/32/17645_2.png) [@Chingon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chingon)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2023, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/college-football-2023/989861/90 "2023-10-28T21:09:23Z")
OkLOLhoma ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2023, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/college-football-2023/989861/91 "2023-10-28T22:20:45Z")
USC v Cal I’ve seen it all now, I think. And if not all, I’ve seen enough to know I’ve seen too much. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2023, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/college-football-2023/989861/92 "2023-10-28T22:45:36Z")
> [@Chingon](#): > > OkLOLhoma That was the first win by Kansas over Oklahoma since 1997. The first home win by Kansas over a top-10 team since 1984. Before today, Kansas was 0-107-2 all-time against top-10 opponents when trailing entering the 4th quarter. Enjoy the SEC, Sooners. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2023, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/college-football-2023/989861/93 "2023-10-29T03:41:00Z")
We had it. In our grasp. And let it slip away….one turnover too many. For the record: I agree with the decision to go for 2 and the win, instead of OT. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2023, 5:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/college-football-2023/989861/94 "2023-10-29T05:47:41Z")
I agree. Overtime is The Suck. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2023, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/college-football-2023/989861/95 "2023-11-05T04:00:13Z")
When does Colorado introduce the merch with the “Sub-Prime” logo? _Really_ bad coaching at the end of the half. Gave the Beavs an easy 7. He blames himself in one breath, then calls out his O-line in the next. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2023, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/college-football-2023/989861/96 "2023-11-06T15:01:56Z")
Someone please explain to me why Florida State with its weak-ass strength of schedule is ranked #4 and has 2 first place votes in the AP Top 25? ---
**Author:** ![DCnDC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dcndc/32/2842_2.png) [@DCnDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DCnDC)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2023, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/college-football-2023/989861/97 "2023-11-06T15:05:57Z")
Hey, but they beat Duke! LOL ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2023, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/college-football-2023/989861/98 "2023-11-06T15:59:40Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > please explain to me why Florida State with its weak-ass strength of schedule is ranked #4 and has 2 first place votes in the AP Top 25 Probably the same reason why Michigan is ranked #2 with 9 first place votes in spite of a weak-ass strength of schedule. Undefeated team in a P5 conference. FSU could conceivably win their last 3 games (Miami, North Alabama, & Florida) and then beat Louisville in the conference championship game, which would almost ensure them a spot in the CFP. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2023, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/college-football-2023/989861/99 "2023-11-06T16:21:09Z")
> [@Railer13](#): > > Probably the same reason why Michigan is ranked #2 with 9 first place votes in spite of a weak-ass strength of schedule. Undefeated team in a P5 conference. Yeah, I guess beating Pitt by 17 was more impressive than Washington’s 10 point win over USC. But the 2 first place votes? That is just redonculous. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2023, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/college-football-2023/989861/100 "2023-11-06T17:27:25Z")
The Pac-12 Championship should be a rematch between UW and Oregon, and the winner would absolutely be entitled to a CFP berth. Anything else would be a travesty. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/college-football-2023/989861.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/college-football-2023/989861.md?page=6)