# College football match-ups **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [September 24, 2010, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/college-football-match-ups/554938 "2010-09-24T22:21:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![zamboniracer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e9a140/32.png) [@zamboniracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zamboniracer)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2010, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/college-football-match-ups/554938/41 "2010-09-28T03:37:54Z")
> [@notfrommensa](#): > > > [@zamboniracer](#): > > > > Missouri plays both Nebraska and Illinois this season. You’re the one who lumped Nebraska in with the Big 10 this year. > > See Post above. I was including OOC games for Big 10 teams. Why didn’t you include Texas and Oklahoma State. > > And tell me, since when did UNLV become a good college football team? Your first question is just irrelevant. Texas and Okla State are besides the point in the Big 10/vs SEC debate. If you want to include them, then knock yourself out. As for UNLV, it is generally a below average team. So what? ---
**Author:** ![notfrommensa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f14d63/32.png) [@notfrommensa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/notfrommensa)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2010, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/college-football-match-ups/554938/42 "2010-09-28T03:45:06Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > Not the big tens fault. They all dance to the BCS formula that reward victories over everything else. It should be shitcanned. I know why it was invented, but it has had an unintended consequence of teams scheduling cupcakes at every chance. Years ago teams were proud of the difficulty of their schedules. Now a tough schedule is a drawback. I don’t have a problem with the Big 10 teams playing the cremepuffs. Almost all BCS schools have their share of cupcakes. My beef: The entire Big 10 conference (except ILL) were playing these games on the same weekend. IMO, the Big 10 should be have started their conference schedule already. they could have featured some big conference games to give itself some national exposure. Look what the SEC has done already. This past weekend, Bama @ Ark. USC @ Aub. Last weekend, UF @ UT, Ark @ UGA. Two week ago, UGA @ USC. Conference games with some national attention. The Big 10 compresses all their conference games into a 9 week window. And IMO, it dilutes their product. ---
**Author:** ![notfrommensa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f14d63/32.png) [@notfrommensa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/notfrommensa)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2010, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/college-football-match-ups/554938/43 "2010-09-28T03:51:47Z")
> [@zamboniracer](#): > > Your first question is just irrelevant. Texas and Okla State are besides the point in the Big 10/vs SEC debate. If you want to include them, then knock yourself out. > > As for UNLV, it is generally a below average team. So what? That post was supposed to be in reply to **Lamar Mundane** , my mistake. He was proud that one of the Big 10 non-conference games was against UNLV. and I am trying to figure why he is so proud of UNLV. When I brought up Nebraska, I was counting OOC BCS games by the Big 10 and SEC. to make the comparison fair, I added Nebraska so both conference would have 12 teams. The facts is: Missouri is NOT an Out Of Conference game for Nebraska. ---
**Author:** ![fiddlesticks](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiddlesticks/32/18129_2.png) [@fiddlesticks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fiddlesticks)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2010, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/college-football-match-ups/554938/44 "2010-09-28T04:15:56Z")
I’m a Badgers fan and I’m not going to claim the Badgers OOC schedule is much to crow about. A couple years back they begged out of a game with Virginia Tech. With the Big 10+2 going to a 9 game conference schedule mid-decade the conference should get tougher to win, but I can’t imagine that most of the teams won’t stop scheduling a FCS cupcake for one of those 3 OOC games. ---
**Author:** ![Zeldar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/b77776/32.png) [@Zeldar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeldar)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2010, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/college-football-match-ups/554938/45 "2010-09-28T05:02:56Z")
> [@Lamar\_Mundane](#): > > > [@Zeldar](#): > > > > I offer Tennessee: [http://football.stassen.com/cgi-bin/records/all-opp.pl?start=1869&end=2009&team=Tennessee&sort=g](http://football.stassen.com/cgi-bin/records/all-opp.pl?start=1869&end=2009&team=Tennessee&sort=g) > > What about Tennessee? I’ll give you that they played Oregon. At home, of course, but they played a good team. Other than that, they’ve played southern hyphenated teams - Tennesee-Martin (who?) and Alabama-Birmingham. > > Of that list of teams they’ve played since 1869, of the teams they’ve played 10 or more times, I only see UCLA as a worthy opponent outside of the South, and most of those were likely bowl games that they didn’t schedule. To get a sense of the differences between Wisconsin and Tennessee and the teams they have met since 2000, compare: [Welcome cfbdatawarehouse.com - BlueHost.com](http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_ia/bigten/wisconsin/opponents.php?start=2000&end=2009) – Wisconsin (42 Opponents) [Welcome cfbdatawarehouse.com - BlueHost.com](http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_ia/sec/tennessee/opponents.php?start=2000&end=2009) – Tennessee (42 Opponents) I believe an unbiased eye will see as many hyphenated and directional schools in the Big 10 region as there are in the south. ---
**Author:** ![notfrommensa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f14d63/32.png) [@notfrommensa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/notfrommensa)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2010, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/college-football-match-ups/554938/46 "2010-09-28T13:19:29Z")
I think the Big 10 supporters would be happier if UT-Martin was renamed Western Tennessee University like the Michigan school in Kalamazoo. They would like UL-Monroe to be renamed Monroe State like that the State supported university called Kent St. Just when did the USA get a state called Kent? How many representatives does it have in US House? What’s it capital? Maybe they would prefer UAB be called Alabama U. Like the school in in Athens, OH. called Ohio University. Yes, these arguments are silly, just like the argument of hyphenated schools. The fact is,UT-Martin and UL-Monore and UAB are part of a state University system, just like Western Michigan, Kent State and Ohio University. ---
**Author:** ![Zeldar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/b77776/32.png) [@Zeldar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeldar)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2010, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/college-football-match-ups/554938/47 "2010-09-28T13:43:01Z")
Here’s some additional comparison data for the Tennessee-Wisconsin issue. Source data: [Welcome cfbdatawarehouse.com - BlueHost.com](http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_ia/sec/tennessee/vs_conf.php?start=1990&end=2009) (Tennessee 1990-2009) [Welcome cfbdatawarehouse.com - BlueHost.com](http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_ia/bigten/wisconsin/vs_conf.php?start=1990&end=2009) (Wisconsin 1990-2009) ```auto Tennessee Records by Conference (Current Conference Membership) Division I-A Conferences Conference Win Loss Tie Pct. PF PA Delta Atlantic Coast Conference 7 4 0 0.63636 248 235 13 Big 12 Conference 3 3 1 0.50000 211 163 48 Big East Conference 6 0 0 1.00000 215 77 138 Big Ten Conference 4 3 0 0.57143 174 169 5 Conference USA 21 1 0 0.95455 746 317 429 Division I-A Independent 3 3 0 0.50000 164 158 6 Mid-American Conference 3 0 0 1.00000 88 52 36 Mountain West Conference 5 1 0 0.83333 231 87 144 Pacific-10 Conference 5 4 0 0.55556 233 203 30 Southeastern Conference 115 47 1 0.70859 4752 3193 1559 Sun Belt Conference 6 0 0 1.00000 304 50 254 Western Athletic Conference 3 0 0 1.00000 116 23 93 ====================================== Wisconsin Records by Conference (Current Conference Membership) Division I-A Conferences Conference Win Loss Tie Pct. PF PA Delta Atlantic Coast Conference 5 1 0 0.83333 145 125 20 Big 12 Conference 3 2 0 0.60000 90 139 -49 Big East Conference 4 2 0 0.66667 136 117 19 Big Ten Conference 85 72 3 0.54063 3971 3562 409 Conference USA 4 0 0 1.00000 151 36 115 Mid-American Conference 18 1 0 0.94737 687 243 444 Mountain West Conference 9 1 0 0.90000 288 111 177 Pacific-10 Conference 9 3 1 0.73077 294 247 47 Southeastern Conference 2 4 0 0.33333 99 130 -31 Sun Belt Conference 1 0 0 1.00000 24 6 18 Western Athletic Conference 10 1 0 0.90909 394 207 187 Division I-AA Conferences Conference Win Loss Tie Pct. PF PA Delta Great West Football Conference 1 0 0 1.00000 36 35 1 Missouri Valley Football Conference 2 0 0 1.00000 65 23 42 Ohio Valley Conference 1 0 0 1.00000 49 10 39 Southern Conference 2 0 0 1.00000 89 45 44 ``` Please note that there is no section for Tennessee labeled: Division I-AA Conferences Similar data is available for other schools by way of > **[Welcome cfbdatawarehouse.com - BlueHost.com](http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_ia_team_index.php)** > > Bluehost - Top rated web hosting provider - Free 1 click installs For blogs, shopping carts, and more. Get a free domain name, real NON-outsourced 24/7 support, and superior speed. web hosting provider php hosting cheap web hosting, Web hosting,... and “Against Other Conf” (among these other options): Wisconsin History Home Opponents Yearly Totals Championships In The Polls Bowl History Coaching Records Against Other Conf Rankings Misc Facts Data Questions ---
**Author:** ![Lamar\_Mundane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/85f322/32.png) [@Lamar\_Mundane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamar_Mundane)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2010, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/college-football-match-ups/554938/48 "2010-09-28T19:48:22Z")
> [@](#): > > Saturday’s game will mark just the fourth time in more than 75 years that Georgia will play a regular-season game west of the Mississippi. > > Before Georgia’s 27-10 victory at Arizona State in 2008, the Bulldogs had not played this far west during the regular season since losing 10-3 at Southern Cal in 1960. Georgia also lost to USC in Los Angeles in 1931 and 1933. > > Historically, Georgia has scheduled nonconference road games only against schools within its section of the country. Colorado has long held a different philosophy. Read more: Hawk expects Georgia’s best shot Saturday - The Denver Post [Hawk expects Georgia’s best shot Saturday – The Denver Post](http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_16190626#ixzz10r63Xz9a) ---
**Author:** ![Zeldar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/b77776/32.png) [@Zeldar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeldar)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2010, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/college-football-match-ups/554938/49 "2010-09-28T21:01:03Z")
> [@Lamar\_Mundane](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > Saturday’s game will mark just the fourth time in more than 75 years that Georgia will play a regular-season game west of the Mississippi. > > > > Before Georgia’s 27-10 victory at Arizona State in 2008, the Bulldogs had not played this far west during the regular season since losing 10-3 at Southern Cal in 1960. Georgia also lost to USC in Los Angeles in 1931 and 1933. > > > > Historically, Georgia has scheduled nonconference road games only against schools within its section of the country. Colorado has long held a different philosophy. > > Read more: Hawk expects Georgia’s best shot Saturday - The Denver Post [Hawk expects Georgia’s best shot Saturday – The Denver Post](http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_16190626#ixzz10r63Xz9a) Just for the record, since Hawkins became head coach in 2006, Colorado has made four trips east of the Mississippi: ```auto L 09-23-2006 13 Georgia 14 Athens, GA L 09-27-2008 21 Florida St. 39 Jacksonville, FL L 09-11-2009 38 Toledo (OH) 54 Toledo, OH L 10-01-2009 24 West Virginia 35 Morgantown, WV ``` source: [Welcome cfbdatawarehouse.com - BlueHost.com](http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_ia/big12/colorado/yearly_results.php?year=2005) Granted, the Georgia travel record west of the Mississippi is far from impressive, but I question the accuracy of > [@](#): > > Historically, Georgia has scheduled nonconference road games only against schools within its section of the country. Colorado has long held a different philosophy. > > “It’s a great educational opportunity for guys to get around to different parts of the country,” Hawkins said. “It’s one of the things we try to do here.” I doubt that Hawkins meant for his four trips as head coach to be seen in stark comparison to Georgia’s 75-year history. But I could be wrong. By the way, are we now to interpret Georgia’s unwillingness to _travel_ out of the South as the SEC’s refusal to _play_ schools outside the South? ---
**Author:** ![Lamar\_Mundane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/85f322/32.png) [@Lamar\_Mundane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamar_Mundane)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2010, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/college-football-match-ups/554938/50 "2010-09-28T21:52:25Z")
> [@Zeldar](#): > > Granted, the Georgia travel record west of the Mississippi is far from impressive, but I question the accuracy of > > > [@](#): > > > > Historically, Georgia has scheduled nonconference road games only against schools within its section of the country. Colorado has long held a different philosophy. > > > > “It’s a great educational opportunity for guys to get around to different parts of the country,” Hawkins said. “It’s one of the things we try to do here.” > > I doubt that Hawkins meant for his four trips as head coach to be seen in stark comparison to Georgia’s 75-year history. But I could be wrong. I don’t know what you’re questioning. Four times in 75 years is a pretty strong indication that they don’t travel. Colorado, on the other hand, since 2003 has played road games at FL. State twice, at Miami (FL), at Georgia, at Toledo, at Washington State, at Arizona State, and at Cal. They play at Ohio State next year. That’s a strong indication that the philosophy at CU is that travelling to play is a good thing, and they’re willing to play tough games. These games are usually scheduled years in advance, so I don’t think Hawkins has had much input on the schedule, with the exception of Toledo, which I think was a last minute fill in. In that same time frame, Florida hasn’t played a single OOC road game outside the state of Florida. ---
**Author:** ![Zeldar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/b77776/32.png) [@Zeldar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeldar)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2010, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/college-football-match-ups/554938/51 "2010-09-28T22:13:14Z")
> [@Lamar\_Mundane](#): > > In that same time frame, Florida hasn’t played a single OOC road game outside the state of Florida. Once again your argument appears to be against Florida, not the SEC as a conference. And I repeat my question: > [@](#): > > By the way, are we now to interpret Georgia’s unwillingness to _travel_ out of the South as the SEC’s refusal to _play_ schools outside the South? ---
**Author:** ![notfrommensa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f14d63/32.png) [@notfrommensa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/notfrommensa)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2010, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/college-football-match-ups/554938/52 "2010-09-28T22:40:30Z")
[quote=“Lamar\_Mundane, post:50, topic:554938”] > [@Zeldar](#): > > In that same time frame, Florida hasn’t played a single OOC road game outside the state of Florida. You seem to a have agenda against the University of Florida For the record check out the Gator seasons of 1975, 1977, 1980, 1982, 1983, 1991 Seasons And what is it about a home/home series against a OOC team that won a National Championship 1993, 1996, and 1999. Discounting the Notre Dame series with USC, what other BCS team has an annual rivalry with an Out of Conference team that has won 3 National Championships in the last 20 years? yes Florida does not leave the state of Florida for OOC games anymore. But there are two other in-state teams that have won **five (5)** National Championships in the last 20 years. Florida plays Florida State every year and occasionally play Miami in the regular season (2002, 2003, 2004). ---
**Author:** ![notfrommensa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f14d63/32.png) [@notfrommensa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/notfrommensa)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2010, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/college-football-match-ups/554938/53 "2010-09-28T22:47:52Z")
> [@Lamar\_Mundane](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > Saturday’s game will mark just the fourth time in more than 75 years that Georgia will play a regular-season game west of the Mississippi. > > > > Before Georgia’s 27-10 victory at Arizona State in 2008, the Bulldogs had not played this far west during the regular season since losing 10-3 at Southern Cal in 1960. Georgia also lost to USC in Los Angeles in 1931 and 1933. > > > > Historically, Georgia has scheduled nonconference road games only against schools within its section of the country. Colorado has long held a different philosophy. > > Read more: Hawk expects Georgia’s best shot Saturday - The Denver Post [Hawk expects Georgia’s best shot Saturday – The Denver Post](http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_16190626#ixzz10r63Xz9a) I am sure the author means OOC, but UGA has been to Fayetteville Arkansas 4 times since 1992. Fayetteville Arkansas is West of the Mississippi. And UGA also played a OOC road game in Stillwater OK last year. And again, UGA has an annual rivalry with an OOC team, and won that won a National Title in 1990. ---
**Author:** ![Zeldar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/b77776/32.png) [@Zeldar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeldar)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2010, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/college-football-match-ups/554938/54 "2010-09-28T22:49:38Z")
Just to clarify, **notfrommensa** , the quote function or your editing makes it look like the comment you refer to is mine. It is not mine, but that of **Lamar Mundane** instead. It is hard, if not impossible, to defend Georgia’s and Florida’s OOC travels. I make no effort to do so. But to blame the SEC as a conference for these two schools’ actions is not fair, and smacks of an unwarranted bias. ---
**Author:** ![notfrommensa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f14d63/32.png) [@notfrommensa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/notfrommensa)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2010, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/college-football-match-ups/554938/55 "2010-09-28T22:52:37Z")
You are correct Zeldar, I’m having a difficult time with my laptop. It was Lamar Mundane and his anti-florida rant that I was trying to quote. Apologies to Zeldar. ---
**Author:** ![Zeldar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/b77776/32.png) [@Zeldar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeldar)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2010, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/college-football-match-ups/554938/56 "2010-09-28T22:53:45Z")
> [@notfrommensa](#): > > You are correct Zeldar, I’m having a difficult time with my laptop. It was Lamar Mundane and his anti-florida rant that I was trying to quote. > > Apologies to Zeldar. We cool! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![notfrommensa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f14d63/32.png) [@notfrommensa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/notfrommensa)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2010, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/college-football-match-ups/554938/57 "2010-09-28T23:02:44Z")
> [@Zeldar](#): > > We cool! 😃 Ok great, I am still waiting for **Lamar Mundane** to tell me why he thinks UNLV has a great football program. ---
**Author:** ![Zeldar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/b77776/32.png) [@Zeldar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeldar)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2010, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/college-football-match-ups/554938/58 "2010-09-28T23:02:50Z")
> [@etv78](#): > > Are there any long-term BCS schools who’ve never played each other? To return to the OP’s main question/issue, I suspect there are quite a few of the 120 current FBS schools that have never met, but I would like to take the question a step further and suggest that there must be a school that has played regular season games with more of the 120 that any other school has. Given the long history back into the 19th Century, and the lack of a simplified season-by-season conference and out-of-conference reporting, I’m wondering what time frame would be most meaningful to check out. If 20, 30, 40 or 50 years would do the job convincingly, I think we could look through the data at [http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/index.php](http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/index.php) and produce a reasonable answer. Ideas? ---
**Author:** ![notfrommensa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f14d63/32.png) [@notfrommensa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/notfrommensa)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2010, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/college-football-match-ups/554938/59 "2010-09-28T23:21:03Z")
I certainly wouldn’t want to research every team, but I would be willing to summarize a conference. I will take the ACC. ---
**Author:** ![Lamar\_Mundane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/85f322/32.png) [@Lamar\_Mundane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamar_Mundane)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2010, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/college-football-match-ups/554938/60 "2010-09-29T00:54:07Z")
> [@notfrommensa](#): > > > [@Zeldar](#): > > > > We cool! 😃 > > Ok great, I am still waiting for **Lamar Mundane** to tell me why he thinks UNLV has a great football program. I didn’t say they were a great team, I was using them to illustrate that Wisconsin travels to play OOC opponents. I don’t have a bias against Florida, either. They’re just a particularly egregious example of what the SEC is known for. They don’t play outside of their region. Alabama doesn’t, Auburn doesn’t - the only one who seems to do anything is Tennessee, who schedules a home and home with a decent team. So once every other year they travel for an OOC game. The rest of the games follow the SEC pattern. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/college-football-match-ups/554938.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/college-football-match-ups/554938.md?page=4)