# College Football Re-Alignment 2: Aggie Boogaloo **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 13, 2011, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/college-football-re-alignment-2-aggie-boogaloo/592541 "2011-08-13T03:00:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![fiddlesticks](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiddlesticks/32/18129_2.png) [@fiddlesticks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fiddlesticks)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2011, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/college-football-re-alignment-2-aggie-boogaloo/592541/81 "2011-09-28T18:03:03Z")
> [@RetroVertigo](#): > > Hearing talk around here the B1G would be the #1 choice, but the SEC is a close 2nd. Missouri’s cultural outlook of itself is weird. If a line was drawn from St. Louis to Kansas City, everyone north of it would identify with the B1G (midwest farm country), to the south people identify themselves as southerners and would prefer the SEC. > > Personally at this point I don’t care. I just want out of the Big IX. Yeah, the only problem is that unless Father Jenkins at Notre Dame cold calls Jim Delany and asks if there is room for his little institution, I don’t see the B1G taking any new applicants in the current environment. Truth is, Missouri can either make the most of the Big IX or become the 14th SEC team. Seems like a no-brainer to leave the mess that Beebe created behind. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2011, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/college-football-re-alignment-2-aggie-boogaloo/592541/82 "2011-09-28T18:09:45Z")
All this super conference stuff is silly. Over 12 in a conference just seems to be unwieldy. I’d like to hear the rationale for expanding over 12. 12 gets you a championship game in football, what does 13 or 14 do besides dilute the schedules and diminish tradition? ---
**Author:** ![Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e480ec/32.png) [@Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Least_Original_User_Name_Ever)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2011, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/college-football-re-alignment-2-aggie-boogaloo/592541/83 "2011-09-28T18:39:53Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > All this super conference stuff is silly. Over 12 in a conference just seems to be unwieldy. I’d like to hear the rationale for expanding over 12. 12 gets you a championship game in football, what does 13 or 14 do besides dilute the schedules and diminish tradition? 16 x 4 = 64. 64 teams = tournament. Tournament = more money. That’s what the end result of all this is. That’s why I want the Big Ten to be more proactive with regards to getting the 16 they want first. Otherwise, they’re left with the scraps. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2011, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/college-football-re-alignment-2-aggie-boogaloo/592541/84 "2011-09-28T18:53:58Z")
> [@Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](#): > > 16 x 4 = 64. > > 64 teams = tournament. > > Tournament = more money. > That’s what the end result of all this is. That’s why I want the Big Ten to be more proactive with regards to getting the 16 they want first. Otherwise, they’re left with the scraps. I don’t follow. Suppose you had four 16-team conferences. You’re not going to have a 64 team football tournament. Minnesota and Vanderbilt are not going to be in any meaningful postseason play. And there are what, 120 or so FBS teams? None of the 56-odd orphans not in a SuperDuperConference are going to be good enough to qualify? And who’s to say the four champs of the four super conferences are the best four teams in CFB? ---
**Author:** ![notfrommensa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f14d63/32.png) [@notfrommensa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/notfrommensa)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2011, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/college-football-re-alignment-2-aggie-boogaloo/592541/85 "2011-09-28T19:31:40Z")
Everyone knows that the best 4 CFB teams play South of the Ohio River and east of the Mississippi River (or at least in a state w/ Mississippi as the eastern border) ---
**Author:** ![fiddlesticks](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiddlesticks/32/18129_2.png) [@fiddlesticks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fiddlesticks)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2011, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/college-football-re-alignment-2-aggie-boogaloo/592541/86 "2011-09-28T21:06:09Z")
> [@notfrommensa](#): > > Did this thread really go three weeks without a comment? #71 and #72. I thought this thread was active all along. Well, I started this thread…then it went dormant after the initial excitement cooled. Then Hippy Hollow started the “Official Big 12 Implosion/Expansion Thread (and it’s goodbye to a&m?)” thread…which was where all the realignment discussion action was between posts 71 & 72. I was kinda surprised to see my Boogaloo thread in bold again. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Rucksinator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/898d66/32.png) [@Rucksinator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rucksinator)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2011, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/college-football-re-alignment-2-aggie-boogaloo/592541/87 "2011-09-29T17:35:49Z")
> [@fiddlesticks](#): > > Well, I started this thread…then it went dormant after the initial excitement cooled. Then Hippy Hollow started the “Official Big 12 Implosion/Expansion Thread (and it’s goodbye to a&m?)” thread…which was where all the realignment discussion action was between posts 71 & 72. I was kinda surprised to see my Boogaloo thread in bold again. 🙂 OK, I found and read this thread: [Official Big 12 Implosion/Expansion Thread (and it’s goodbye to a&m?)](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=623447) which goes from the 7th to the 27th. Should we ask to have these threads merged, or just keep the discussion going over here? Or what? ---
**Author:** ![notfrommensa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f14d63/32.png) [@notfrommensa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/notfrommensa)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2011, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/college-football-re-alignment-2-aggie-boogaloo/592541/88 "2011-09-29T19:42:34Z")
OK, that was my mistake, I had forgotten that there was two threads. I knew we have been discussing this topic all along and I saw that this thread sat dormant for three weeks. No big deal. ---
**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2011, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/college-football-re-alignment-2-aggie-boogaloo/592541/89 "2011-09-30T03:11:50Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > None of the 56-odd orphans not in a SuperDuperConference are going to be good enough to qualify? Yep. None of them are good enough. As I posted in another football thread: > [@Zakalwe](#): > > It’s been 1945 (Army) since a team not already in (or about to join) one of those 64-team super conferences has won any form of the national championship in football (if you count ND - sorry, also add BYU who has one NC and has _chosen_ to go independent). So, no, there really isn’t an argument for more than 64, especially since the list since 1945 (65 years - and 20 of those years had more than 1 “national champion”) only has 28 names on it: > > Alabama (8) > Notre Dame (7) > Oklahoma (7) > USC (7) > Miami, Fla. (5) > Nebraska (5) > Ohio State (4) > Texas (4) > Florida (3) > LSU (3) > Auburn (2) > Florida State (2) > Michigan (2) > Michigan State (2) > Penn State (2) > Tennessee (2) > Army (1) > Brigham Young (1) > Clemson (1) > Colorado (1) > Georgia (1) > Georgia Tech (1) > Maryland (1) > Minnesota (1) > Pittsburgh (1) > Syracuse (1) > UCLA (1) > Washington (1) ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2011, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/college-football-re-alignment-2-aggie-boogaloo/592541/90 "2011-09-30T03:17:09Z")
> [@Zakalwe](#): > > Yep. None of them are good enough. That’s a circular argument. None of them won a national championship because none got to play for one. I tend to be a believer in the _SEC uber alles_ concept, but I’m certain at least one of the Boise State/TCU/assorted BCS buster teams of the last 10 years was good enough to beat the national champions. ---
**Author:** ![UTejas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/977dab/32.png) [@UTejas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UTejas)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2011, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/college-football-re-alignment-2-aggie-boogaloo/592541/91 "2011-09-30T04:47:07Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > I don’t follow. Suppose you had four 16-team conferences. You’re not going to have a 64 team football tournament. Minnesota and Vanderbilt are not going to be in any meaningful postseason play. And there are what, 120 or so FBS teams? None of the 56-odd orphans not in a SuperDuperConference are going to be good enough to qualify? And who’s to say the four champs of the four super conferences are the best four teams in CFB? The point is that the 4 conference championship games with 16-team superconferences look an awful lot like a quarterfinal round. In a 4+1 BCS model, the two bowls that host the 4 conference champs look an awful lot like a semi-final, and the +1 part is the title game. The other two BCS bowls host 4 at-large bids. It will never happen. ---
**Author:** ![Lamar\_Mundane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/85f322/32.png) [@Lamar\_Mundane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamar_Mundane)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2011, 5:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/college-football-re-alignment-2-aggie-boogaloo/592541/92 "2011-09-30T05:55:19Z")
So let’s say we do go to four 16 team conferences, with the intention being we have the 64 best college football teams, and screw historical alliances. What current BCS teams get thrown out in favor of BYU, BSU, TCU, SMU, Fresno State, etc. Minnesota? Northwestern? Washington State? Vanderbilt? Iowa State? All of the Big East? ---
**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2011, 11:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/college-football-re-alignment-2-aggie-boogaloo/592541/93 "2011-09-30T11:25:41Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > That’s a circular argument. None of them won a national championship because none got to play for one. I tend to be a believer in the _SEC uber alles_ concept, but I’m certain at least one of the Boise State/TCU/assorted BCS buster teams of the last 10 years was good enough to beat the national champions. Well, we’ll obviously never know. For what it’s worth, I personally have no objection to including TCU for sure (and maybe Boise) in a 64-team “championship eligible pool”. Boise can take Northwestern’s place and TCU can replace Vandy (or Duke). 😉 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/college-football-re-alignment-2-aggie-boogaloo/592541.md?page=4)