# College Station, Texas shooting
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/college-station-texas-shooting/631402
**Category:** The BBQ Pit
**Created:** [August 13, 2012, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/college-station-texas-shooting/631402 "2012-08-13T19:46:31Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
**Page:** 9
### Author:  [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)
#### Post date: [August 14, 2012, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/college-station-texas-shooting/631402/161 "2012-08-14T19:13:03Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#):
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> You mean like the Manson family did?
44 years ago. She _did_ say she’d wait, but let’s be reasonable.
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### Author:  [@Condescending\_Robot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Condescending_Robot)
#### Post date: [August 14, 2012, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/college-station-texas-shooting/631402/162 "2012-08-14T19:39:56Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#):
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> Must be so easy to be a gun nut. All you have to do is point to any other possible way for a person to die and say “SEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE??? Are you going to ban them TOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO???” Then go back to masturbating about how people are dying because of your insane fetish.
Must be easy to be a gun-confiscation nut. You can just cast off every bit of evidence about how crime, violent crime, murder, gun murder, and mass shootings are all at their lowest point in history, because the facts don’t fucking matter to you and you need a fundamentalist-level belief in “America is collapsing because of guns” to justify your insane fear of an inanimate object.
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### Author:  [@woodstockbirdybird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/woodstockbirdybird)
#### Post date: [August 14, 2012, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/college-station-texas-shooting/631402/163 "2012-08-14T19:39:59Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#):
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> You mean like the Manson family did?
Oh, shit, I must have misunderstood the evidence where the Manson family murders were committed by a single person with a knife. I guess they are equivalent to the situation in the OP.
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### Author:  [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)
#### Post date: [August 14, 2012, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/college-station-texas-shooting/631402/164 "2012-08-14T19:56:55Z")
> [@woodstockbirdybird](#):
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> Oh, shit, I must have misunderstood the evidence where the Manson family murders were committed by a single person with a knife. I guess they are equivalent to the situation in the OP.
Actually the link is even weaker than that-guns were involved in the Manson massacre.
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### Author:  [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)
#### Post date: [August 14, 2012, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/college-station-texas-shooting/631402/165 "2012-08-14T20:08:48Z")
> [@Condescending\_Robot](#):
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> Must be easy to be a gun-confiscation nut. You can just cast off every bit of evidence about how crime, violent crime, murder, gun murder, and mass shootings are all at their lowest point in history, because the facts don’t fucking matter to you and you need a fundamentalist-level belief in “America is collapsing because of guns” to justify your insane fear of an inanimate object.
The lowest point in history? Wow, that is amazing! I’d very much like to see a cite for that.
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### Author:  [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)
#### Post date: [August 14, 2012, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/college-station-texas-shooting/631402/166 "2012-08-14T20:14:46Z")
Chrissakes, not more cites about how non-dangerous gun are – like we don’t get enough of those every time some lawful gun owner pops his cork and greases a few people … which is like every other fucking month, or so it seems.
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### Author:  [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)
#### Post date: [August 14, 2012, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/college-station-texas-shooting/631402/167 "2012-08-14T20:19:10Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#):
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> Chrissakes, not more cites about how non-dangerous gun are – like we don’t get enough of those every time some lawful gun owner pops his cork and greases a few people … which is like every other fucking month, or so it seems.
No, his claim is broadrr and more extreme: that violent crime, homicide, firearm homicides and mass shootings are at their lowest in history! I can’t wait to see the data on that one.
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### Author:  [@JXJohns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JXJohns)
#### Post date: [August 14, 2012, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/college-station-texas-shooting/631402/168 "2012-08-14T20:43:43Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#):
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> What does [the rifle by the front of the vehicle look like to you?](http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/gallery?section=news&id=8772127&photo=11)
It is clearly an AR-15 variant with a 10 or 20 round mag. With the tactical stock and sling, I’d guess it belongs to a cop.
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### Author:  [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)
#### Post date: [August 14, 2012, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/college-station-texas-shooting/631402/169 "2012-08-14T20:48:35Z")
> [@JXJohns](#):
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> It is clearly an AR-15 variant with a 10 or 20 round mag. With the tactical stock and sling, I’d guess it belongs to a cop.
As pointed out by **tomndeb** in post #145, I believe. Too soon to tell what weapons were in use by whom-the only official word so far is that the suspect used multiple weapons.
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### Author:  [@JXJohns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JXJohns)
#### Post date: [August 14, 2012, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/college-station-texas-shooting/631402/170 "2012-08-14T21:03:05Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#):
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> As pointed out by **tomndeb** in post #145, I believe. Too soon to tell what weapons were in use by whom-the only official word so far is that the suspect used multiple weapons.
There was some doubt expressed in post 145. It is clear what it is.
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### Author:  [@Condescending\_Robot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Condescending_Robot)
#### Post date: [August 14, 2012, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/college-station-texas-shooting/631402/171 "2012-08-14T21:05:18Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#):
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> No, his claim is broadrr and more extreme: that violent crime, homicide, firearm homicides and mass shootings are at their lowest in history! I can’t wait to see the data on that one.
> **[US crime rate at lowest point in decades. Why America is safer now.](https://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice/2012/0109/US-crime-rate-at-lowest-point-in-decades.-Why-America-is-safer-now)**
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> The crime rate for serious crimes, including murder, rape, and assault, has dropped significantly since the early 1990s in part because of changes in technology and policing, experts say.
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### Author:  [@JXJohns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JXJohns)
#### Post date: [August 14, 2012, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/college-station-texas-shooting/631402/172 "2012-08-14T21:11:40Z")
> [@Condescending\_Robot](#):
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> [US crime rate at lowest point in decades. Why America is safer now. - CSMonitor.com](http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice/2012/0109/US-crime-rate-at-lowest-point-in-decades.-Why-America-is-safer-now)
Good article:
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> “Recent Gallup polls have found that citizens overwhelmingly feel crime is going up even though it is not,” says Professor Fox. “This is because of the growth of crime shows and the way that TV spotlights the emotional. One case of a random, horrific shooting shown repeatedly on TV has more visceral effect than all the statistics printed in a newspaper.”
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### Author:  [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)
#### Post date: [August 14, 2012, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/college-station-texas-shooting/631402/173 "2012-08-14T21:53:21Z")
Professor Fox, eh? Yeah, there’s an unbiased source.
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### Author:  [@joyfool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joyfool)
#### Post date: [August 14, 2012, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/college-station-texas-shooting/631402/174 "2012-08-14T22:17:59Z")
> [@Ferret\_Herder](#):
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> I really like Tapatalk, but how the fuck do you stop it from turning a link to YouTube into a mini-icon for the video? A lot of times people will create a text-bearing link to it and Tapatalk obliterates the linking words and just stuffs this video preview in the middle of the sentence.
Argh! If I ever figure out how to do that, I’ll let you know. Until then, I suppose we just have to suffer through it. Can’t put _that_ on ignore. 😛
On a broader note, people do realize that when someone asks for equivalent evidence, they’re not just looking for a once or twice occurrence in the history of the world, right? Since that seems to be completely misunderstood by a few people on this board, I thought I’d simply point that out.
Please return to your regularly scheduled gun debate that will not change anyone’s mind, nor stop the easy acquisition of guns that leads to so many mass shootings.
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### Author:  [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)
#### Post date: [August 14, 2012, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/college-station-texas-shooting/631402/175 "2012-08-14T22:18:18Z")
> [@Condescending\_Robot](#):
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> [US crime rate at lowest point in decades. Why America is safer now. - CSMonitor.com](http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice/2012/0109/US-crime-rate-at-lowest-point-in-decades.-Why-America-is-safer-now)
Bzzt. History existed prior to 1990.
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### Author:  [@Condescending\_Robot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Condescending_Robot)
#### Post date: [August 14, 2012, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/college-station-texas-shooting/631402/176 "2012-08-14T22:24:58Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#):
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> Bzzt. History existed prior to 1990.
The article notes that crime is at its lowest since 1963. If you’d like me to revise my statement to “lowest since modern crime statistics began being kept,” I’m game. Now you revise your worldview to account for the fact that the gun crime epidemic you base all of your confiscation fantasies on is the exact opposite of what is happening.
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### Author:  [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)
#### Post date: [August 14, 2012, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/college-station-texas-shooting/631402/177 "2012-08-14T22:33:19Z")
> [@Condescending\_Robot](#):
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> The article notes that crime is at its lowest since 1963. If you’d like me to revise my statement to “lowest since modern crime statistics began being kept,” I’m game. Now you revise your worldview to account for the fact that the gun crime epidemic you base all of your confiscation fantasies on is the exact opposite of what is happening.
Does this mean that gun control laws passed since 1963 _are_ having a positive effect on our society?
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### Author:  [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)
#### Post date: [August 14, 2012, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/college-station-texas-shooting/631402/178 "2012-08-14T22:54:12Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#):
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> If the report had been that “a man high on marijuana went on a shooting rampage,” how many people here would have said that it probably wasn’t marijuana?
Well, I might have, because it is scientifically impossible to be both violent and on marijuana. You have to make a choice beforehand. As philosopher Hicks put it, here’s a fight between people high on weed:
- hey \*buddy \*!
- hey, what ?!
- hey…hey ? Wow, I’m hungry.
End of argument.
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### Author:  [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)
#### Post date: [August 14, 2012, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/college-station-texas-shooting/631402/179 "2012-08-14T23:39:28Z")
Difficult, but not impossible. Even knew someone who knew someone who beat the living shit out of someone while on ecstasy. In fairness, I think that was before everyone started sucking on pacifiers with PLUR printed on them.
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### Author:  [@Blake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blake)
#### Post date: [August 15, 2012, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/college-station-texas-shooting/631402/180 "2012-08-15T01:23:33Z")
> [@DianaG](#):
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> Try and kill three or more people with a knife. Go on. I’ll wait.
Is this a joke, or are you just incredibly ignorant of the real world?
[Such attacks](http://www.standard.co.uk/news/new-yorker-charged-with-knife-murders-6567081.html) happen [several times a year](http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8670662.stm) on [planet Earth.](http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/aug/14/damian-rzeszowski-jersey-murder-trial)
I assume that this is an example of what others have been saying. Because CNN doesn’t sensationalise such events, large numbers of people remain totally ignorant of them.
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