# College Student Suspended for Writing Essay “Hot for Teacher” **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [July 24, 2013, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/college-student-suspended-for-writing-essay-hot-for-teacher/664346 "2013-07-24T01:45:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Sleeps\_With\_Butterflies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@Sleeps\_With\_Butterflies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sleeps_With_Butterflies)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2013, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/college-student-suspended-for-writing-essay-hot-for-teacher/664346/41 "2013-07-25T04:30:01Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > It is really fucked up that the idea that someone is attracted to you creeps you out, and that we as a society keep acting like it’s a big deal. Unless the guy came off as a rapist, there’s no reason to be creeped out. In your estimation, how does one tell if a guy is a rapist or comes off as one? > [@BigT](#): > > Stop coddling these people who can’t deal with the real world. Oh indeed. > [@BigT](#): > > And, no, it’s not fucking harassment. Harassment requires being told to stop and not stopping. If it weren’t, then just flirting would be harassment, and no workplace romances would ever happen. It is not reasonable to think that the word “stacked” would get you kicked out of college. Read the previous thread **Inner Stickler** kindly linked to above. There you’ll find that he was told to knock it off and continued anyway. If you think the word stacked got him kicked out of college I believe you haven’t read much more than people’s reactions here and invented your own scenario. > [@BigT](#): > > Seriously, I want someone to give me a rational reason why sexual comments creep you out so much. I get that they are crass. I get that they can be misogynistic, depending on how they are said. But I cannot for the life of me figure out why they would be creepy unless you are afraid someone is going to rape you. Uninvited sexual comments indicate, to me, that someone is unfamiliar with or cares nothing about social boundaries. Most people seem to get around in the world without communicating sexual thoughts at people they’re attracted to. They use their abilities to restrain themselves to keep it in their own head. We’re not talking about a student just saying “Hey, I find you attractive.” Someone who pushes the boundaries of what is socially appropriate demonstrates an inability to control their impulses. What other impulses are they unable to control? In this situation he was told to stop and he continued anyway. What else will he do despite being told no? He decided for both of them that her no means nothing to him. Again, you seem to be indicating that women should have some idea if men will or won’t rape them. In your world do rapists wear signs that say “Hey, I’m a rapist and anything I say should be filtered through the understanding that I dig raping chicks?” or do you not get that a few indicators that someone could be willing to rape might be not taking no for an answer (as he did in this sexualized communication) and being so socially stunted or socially indignant that you vomit out your sexual fantasies to someone ABOUT THEM who, by their very job, has to read and respond to them? It boggles my mind how you don’t get that. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2013, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/college-student-suspended-for-writing-essay-hot-for-teacher/664346/42 "2013-07-25T04:49:34Z")
> [@colander](#): > > Well, one way in which those two things are similar is that the First Amendment does nothing to prohibit a publically funded school from suspending a student for doing either of them. That is why this case was dismissed. I hope this clarifies things. I said I was serious. Maybe you didn’t catch that part. ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2013, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/college-student-suspended-for-writing-essay-hot-for-teacher/664346/43 "2013-07-25T13:14:35Z")
Number 1. She was his TEACHER. That is not an appropriate medium to be saying how hot she is, and the fact that some men think it’s ok is just a sign, as **SWB** says, that they don’t know any personal boundaries. And you know, if he’d gone to her privately and asked her on a date I wouldn’t have a problem. WHAT’S WRONG WITH A DATE? Number 2. If he had complimented her professional role, I would not have any problem. If he had written a smarmy, smaltzy story about what a great teacher she was, that’s different. Honestly, we can’t even teach without men thinking about our vaginas. Well, I’m pretty sure that avenue closed up right quick! Number 3. She dealt just fine with the real world. She didn’t curl up under her bed and sob nor did she ask her brother to beat the crap out of this guy. She went through the right steps to get it taken care of. > [@Bricker](#): > > But I’m curious about this comment of yours. I agree that accepting responsibility, taking care of your own, and admitting fault when at fault are qualities of adulthood. But you say they’re qualities of masculinity and also of adulthood. So my question to you is: are there qualities that are uniquely masculine, rather than shared among adults of both genders? This question has been debated many times on the boards and elsewhere and I’m flattered that you think somehow I can come up with the answer. But since you asked: I guess, watch what you do with your penis. Don’t let it go places it shouldn’t go - using every meaning of the word “shouldn’t”. And don’t let it control your other head. There! Exclusively masculine. ---
**Author:** ![epbrown01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@epbrown01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/epbrown01)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2013, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/college-student-suspended-for-writing-essay-hot-for-teacher/664346/44 "2013-07-25T14:05:34Z")
I like Kevin Hearne’s expression: don’t act like the entire world is a hole to put your cock in. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2013, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/college-student-suspended-for-writing-essay-hot-for-teacher/664346/45 "2013-07-25T14:18:11Z")
I think what Bricker and others are getting at is that some women are so repulsed by the tendencies of normal males to be attracted to females that they automatically tend to want to block any expression of masculine interest in women. Aanimika’s response, for example, is couched entirely in “no, don’t, shouldn’t” – the only positive advice she could give is to write a smarmy, schmaltzy (i.e., nonsexual) story about what a great teacher she was. Where do you draw the line, is the question? \*\*Aanimika’s \*\*response seems to leave no grounds for male sexual expression at all. **epbrown01** and **SleepsWithButterflies** seem to be in similar territory. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2013, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/college-student-suspended-for-writing-essay-hot-for-teacher/664346/46 "2013-07-25T14:32:34Z")
Sexual stories do not belong in a creative writing course. It’s worrying how you insist on not getting that. Nobody has a problem with male sexual expression in general. It’s expressing it in inappropriate avenues that is the problem. And, as I recall, the ‘sexy’ writing was more on the order of “Hoo, I’m drunk and miz teacher, you are so hot!” Lady Chatterley’s Lover, this ain’t. ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2013, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/college-student-suspended-for-writing-essay-hot-for-teacher/664346/47 "2013-07-25T14:44:01Z")
I never said males should not express attraction to females nor did I say there were never any sexual stories in my creative writing class. At least one of them wrote about a sexual encounter…but it was someone outside the class, someone long ago. It is skeevy and inappropriate to write about people in that class, and to write about your professor. How is it not? If I am a professor in a college, I would like you to respect me for my career not my tits or the fact that I am hot. Once again, you are merely reducing me to a vagina-carrier. And in fact, the alternative I gave was for Mr. Skeezeball to go privately to the teacher and ask her out on a date. Regardless, I see no problem with the university acting in the way they did. They suspended him and told him to go to sensitivity training. He can get over his bad self and keep his thoughts to himself or for private times with his professor - which, like I said, he will never get with now, I’m sure. ---
**Author:** ![shiftless](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9c0ed/32.png) [@shiftless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shiftless)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2013, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/college-student-suspended-for-writing-essay-hot-for-teacher/664346/48 "2013-07-25T14:48:36Z")
The last line of the article says: “Corlett’s suspension requires him to undergo sensitivity counseling if he ever wants to return as a student.” So he has a simple means to get out of the suspension, if he wants to take it. Sounds like he would rather take it to court and then moan when he loses. You can google her if you want to see a picture. She isn’t that hot. You should have seen my 9th grade English teacher. I could have written volumes of sonnets about her beauty but, even then, I knew better. ---
**Author:** ![Orionizer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/orionizer/32/4442_2.png) [@Orionizer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Orionizer)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2013, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/college-student-suspended-for-writing-essay-hot-for-teacher/664346/49 "2013-07-25T14:58:13Z")
> [@runner pat](#): > > mary ann was hotter, anyway. +1 \* 100 ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2013, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/college-student-suspended-for-writing-essay-hot-for-teacher/664346/50 "2013-07-25T14:58:33Z")
As always, I blame porn. ---
**Author:** ![Girlundone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/919ad9/32.png) [@Girlundone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Girlundone)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2013, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/college-student-suspended-for-writing-essay-hot-for-teacher/664346/51 "2013-07-25T15:00:20Z")
I personally don’t think the student’s motivation was to convey to the teacher that he found her sexually attractive. His intent was to cause a reaction, to shock, to kick the beehive, to intimidate, to challenge authority. And she gave him exactly what he wanted. A big story with lots of attention. She could have shut him down much more effectively by playing him at his own mental game. The cry of outrage was his goal. That shit makes some people’s dicks hard. ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2013, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/college-student-suspended-for-writing-essay-hot-for-teacher/664346/52 "2013-07-25T15:00:28Z")
> [@shiftless](#): > > You can google her if you want to see a picture. She isn’t that hot. You should have seen my 9th grade English teacher. I could have written volumes of sonnets about her beauty but, even then, I knew better. [hijack] I had a big fat crush on my sixth grade English teacher. Or was it seventh? Anyway it was the first time I had a) a crush on a _man_ (and not a boy) and b) the first time I appreciated a man’s ass. Sometimes I think that first man set the standard for all my men. I’ve always liked men like him best. ---
**Author:** ![Troppus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a587f6/32.png) [@Troppus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Troppus)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2013, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/college-student-suspended-for-writing-essay-hot-for-teacher/664346/53 "2013-07-25T15:00:37Z")
> [@Evil\_Captor](#): > > I think what Bricker and others are getting at is that some women are so repulsed by the tendencies of normal males to be attracted to females that they automatically tend to want to block any expression of masculine interest in women. > > snipped > > Where do you draw the line, is the question? How about somewhere between “I think you’re beautiful and would like to take you out for dinner” and “I’m going to jerk off to you later”? ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2013, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/college-student-suspended-for-writing-essay-hot-for-teacher/664346/54 "2013-07-25T15:13:14Z")
I blame Bush. Clearly with such a name sex is going to be on the top of everyones minds. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2013, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/college-student-suspended-for-writing-essay-hot-for-teacher/664346/55 "2013-07-25T15:16:59Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > Sexual stories do not belong in a creative writing course. It’s worrying how you insist on not getting that. If you are addressing me, read my earlier post. I do NOT agree that sexual stories do not belong in a creative class – hell, erotic romances are the hottest genre going right now, sexual stories should be the CORE of creative writing classes, if the marketplace is at all relevant – but I DO agree that stories about particular people in the class, including the teacher, were inappropriate sans some indication that they would be OK. > [@](#): > > Nobody has a problem with male sexual expression in general. Quite the sweeping generalization. > [@](#): > > It’s expressing it in inappropriate avenues that is the problem. You probably meant “venues” and we may have some agreement there. > [@](#): > > And, as I recall, the ‘sexy’ writing was more on the order of “Hoo, I’m drunk and miz teacher, you are so hot!” Lady Chatterley’s Lover, this ain’t. That’s an argument for a poor grade, not suspension. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2013, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/college-student-suspended-for-writing-essay-hot-for-teacher/664346/56 "2013-07-25T15:18:21Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > As always, I blame porn. In Soviet Russia, porn blames you! ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2013, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/college-student-suspended-for-writing-essay-hot-for-teacher/664346/57 "2013-07-25T15:19:29Z")
Sexual stories should be the core of creative writing classes? Why? I’m just wondering. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2013, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/college-student-suspended-for-writing-essay-hot-for-teacher/664346/58 "2013-07-25T15:25:34Z")
> [@Evil\_Captor](#): > > If you are addressing me, read my earlier post. I do NOT agree that sexual stories do not belong in a creative class – hell, erotic romances are the hottest genre going right now, sexual stories should be the CORE of creative writing classes, if the marketplace is at all relevant Then you are wrong. I’m not even comfortable with Anaamika’s suggestion of acceptability. A creative writing class is for learning the basics and a large part of it is peer review. It is not cool to require students to discuss content they may not be comfortable with and erotic content requires a more deft hand so as not to become puerile or juvenile. Erotic content, if it’s handled in school at all, should be part of a higher level class with students who have demonstrated capability with the basics. ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2013, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/college-student-suspended-for-writing-essay-hot-for-teacher/664346/59 "2013-07-25T15:31:19Z")
The creative writing course I took in Fall of 2012 consisted of lessons such as: Good dialogue Setting the tone and the environment Building a picture in the reader’s mind Bringing your reader into the story Poetry Plot and setting I’m not really sure why erotic fiction would be considered great at doing any of this. We did read one mildly erotic poem in the class, and this frumpy old male professor read it, and we all giggled a little, but other than that we handled it maturely. And one person, as I said, did write a little about a sexual encounter…but the story itself was about a breakup. The sex was not the primary focus of the story. I enjoyed the class greatly but I wouldn’t have taken it if I’d thought we were going to be writing about our sexual fantasies. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2013, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/college-student-suspended-for-writing-essay-hot-for-teacher/664346/60 "2013-07-25T17:03:57Z")
> [@Anaamika](#): > > Sexual stories should be the core of creative writing classes? Why? > > I’m just wondering. Because erotic romances are such a hot genre right now. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/college-student-suspended-for-writing-essay-hot-for-teacher/664346.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/college-student-suspended-for-writing-essay-hot-for-teacher/664346.md?page=4)