# Collounsbury, 6-3-2000 to 11-28-2002 **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 2, 2002, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/collounsbury-6-3-2000-to-11-28-2002/140027 "2002-12-02T20:10:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Maeglin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8baadc/32.png) [@Maeglin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maeglin)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2002, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/collounsbury-6-3-2000-to-11-28-2002/140027/181 "2002-12-03T16:59:03Z")
That’s pretty much how I feel. There are some views that merit contempt. I will dish it out as I see it, and I certainly feel I should receive it if I maintain drooling idiocy. Do I like it? No, not really. And it is certainly not proper GD behavior to call someone a fucking idiot, though perhaps when I become rich, quit my job, and create my own message board, it will be acceptable behavior there. ---
**Author:** ![SuaSponte](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/67e7ee/32.png) [@SuaSponte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuaSponte)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2002, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/collounsbury-6-3-2000-to-11-28-2002/140027/182 "2002-12-03T17:19:59Z")
One amusing thing for me in this thread is the “debate” as to whether special contributors should have different rules applied to them on these boards. It’s amusing because they already do. An unoriginal, uninformed GDer who acted like **Coll** did would have been booted before they reached 200 posts. And it’s not just **Coll** - a long-time and/or particularly knowledgeable Doper just about always gets more leeway than a run-of-the-mill vituperative ideologue or the like. It usually takes a flat-out meltdown (a la **FreakFeely** ) or a refusal to heed numerous warnings to tone it down (a la **Satan** or **Coll** ) before someone like that gets yanked. I don’t think there is anything wrong with that. We are a community, and a community is more quick to forgive or tolerate the antics of a “pillar of the community” than they are for a yokel just off the bus. So let’s not pretend that **Coll** didn’t get special treatment or consideration. He did – and he **still** blew it. Sua ---
**Author:** ![erislover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/71e660/32.png) [@erislover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/erislover)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2002, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/collounsbury-6-3-2000-to-11-28-2002/140027/183 "2002-12-03T17:42:09Z")
Did **Sua** just prove conclusively the existence of The Clique™? ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2002, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/collounsbury-6-3-2000-to-11-28-2002/140027/184 "2002-12-03T17:58:53Z")
> [@](#): > > Me, I’m just sad I’ll never get the ‘cheesemaker’ thing. > [@](#): > > Cheesemakers will inherit the earth. It’s from the Life of Brian. Proof positive that Coll has a sense of humor. Actually, I thought that he was tying _Life of Brian_ into the fact that his multi-national corp (and his specific boss) were Swiss. (I may have been seeing more than was there, of course.) ---
**Author:** ![Sparc](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/65b543/32.png) [@Sparc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sparc)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2002, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/collounsbury-6-3-2000-to-11-28-2002/140027/185 "2002-12-03T18:10:06Z")
> [@](#): > > _Lucwarm_ > > I found the following definition of bigot online: > > > [@](#): > > > > a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion. > > Sounds pretty close to me. Semantics as a weapon in the hands of the sulking victim of deserved rebuke… Amusing, but hardly accurate. To be bigoted you need to apply your intolerance with broad brush strokes, and usually you would need to be preclusive in judgment and base this judgment on utterly irrelevant data. Hence this is not bigotry “The drooling morons that think that Islam is an evil religion had better abandon their willful idiocy and read a fucking book on the subject.” This on the other hand is bigoted: “The inhabitants of Michigan are drooling morons that think that Islam is an evil religion had better abandon their willful idiocy and read a fucking book on the subject.” It’s that little irrelevant part about living in Michigan that makes all the difference. While C posted in the style of the first example he never expressed opinions along the lines of the second, IRC. And why do you need to rub it in **Luc**? He’s been banned. You got what you wanted. Why don’t you leave it and just go back to arguing in circles in peace, you’ll get a lot more leeway now, what-with **Collounsbury** out of your way. Sparc ---
**Author:** ![Kal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/9de053/32.png) [@Kal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kal)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2002, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/collounsbury-6-3-2000-to-11-28-2002/140027/186 "2002-12-03T18:19:39Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by lucwarm_ > **Far be it from me to diagnose somebody by the internet, if you look at pages like this one - [http://www.tipsofallsorts.com/narcissism.html](http://www.tipsofallsorts.com/narcissism.html) - it kinda makes you wonder.** Yeah, it makes me wonder why you decided to diagnose him anyway. How civil of you. > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by grienspace \* > \*\*Excellent diagnosis **lucwarm** , as it concurs with an opinion I have long held. \*\* You’re a psychologist too? Go one, give **Coll** another kick. Dordhi! You two a _such_ a classy pair. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2002, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/collounsbury-6-3-2000-to-11-28-2002/140027/187 "2002-12-03T18:35:27Z")
No one should be kicking Coll here now. Given the circumstances, it is ethically despicable. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2002, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/collounsbury-6-3-2000-to-11-28-2002/140027/188 "2002-12-03T19:04:23Z")
Even in death it appears that **Collounsbury** should get special consideration. I didn’t hear anyone complaining about the post banning villification of JDT, AWC,Wildest Bill and others. ---
**Author:** ![Truth\_Seeker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/5fc32e/32.png) [@Truth\_Seeker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Truth_Seeker)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2002, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/collounsbury-6-3-2000-to-11-28-2002/140027/189 "2002-12-03T19:08:43Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Libertarian \* > \*\*No one should be kicking Coll here now. Given the circumstances, it is ethically despicable. \*\* Normally I’d agree with you. But in this particular case, I think he can take it. In fact, if **Collounsbury** reads this, I suspect it will amuse him. In any event, there are plenty of folks willing to respond to the more ridiculous calumnies on his behalf. Actually, I’m quite pleased the way this thread is turning out. For the most part, people have offered their open and honest opinions, both good and bad. All in all, a fitting tribute. _O wad some powr the giftie gie us to see oursels as ithers see us._ ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2002, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/collounsbury-6-3-2000-to-11-28-2002/140027/190 "2002-12-03T19:11:41Z")
Well, you know him better than I. I acquiesce. ---
**Author:** ![dantheman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dantheman/32/9421_2.png) [@dantheman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dantheman)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2002, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/collounsbury-6-3-2000-to-11-28-2002/140027/191 "2002-12-03T19:13:43Z")
Personally, if I had been banned (whatever the reason) and lurked in this thread, I’d be a mite happy, too. There would be people defending me, there’d be people assaulting me, and there’d be people debating the relevance of either. I think I’d feel a little smugly satisfied. But I speak only of me . . 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2002, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/collounsbury-6-3-2000-to-11-28-2002/140027/192 "2002-12-03T19:18:14Z")
And if I was narcisstic, I’d be pleased with all the attention too. ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2002, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/collounsbury-6-3-2000-to-11-28-2002/140027/193 "2002-12-03T19:45:18Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by grienspace \* > \*\*And if I was narcisstic, I’d be pleased with all the attention too. \*\* You really are tediously petty little fuckwit, aren’t you? ---
**Author:** ![SuaSponte](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/67e7ee/32.png) [@SuaSponte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuaSponte)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2002, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/collounsbury-6-3-2000-to-11-28-2002/140027/194 "2002-12-03T19:49:09Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by erislover \* > **Did Sua just prove conclusively the existence of The Clique** Sure the Clique exists. The accusation that the Clique is monolithic or pro-active, or even self-aware, is false. The simple fact that people give more credence and pay more attention (and give greater leeway to) the group of persons who are well-established in the community shouldn’t be in dispute. That’s really the problem with talk of a clique and such things. When a guy hires his old college roommate’s son, he doesn’t think he is swinging the power of the “old boy’s network” into gear; he just thinks he is doing a favor for a friend. Sua ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2002, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/collounsbury-6-3-2000-to-11-28-2002/140027/195 "2002-12-03T19:51:22Z")
Ah **Kumquat** there you go again. do you ever have anything substantive to say? ---
**Author:** ![Tars\_Tarkas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Tars\_Tarkas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tars_Tarkas)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2002, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/collounsbury-6-3-2000-to-11-28-2002/140027/196 "2002-12-03T20:08:08Z")
Looks like i won’t be able to drop out of Race threads now when i get sick of the some people not understanding two syllable words or basic biological concepts. The fun part will be explaining to the boss why less work is done those weeks! ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2002, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/collounsbury-6-3-2000-to-11-28-2002/140027/197 "2002-12-03T20:13:39Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by grienspace \* > \*\*Ah **Kumquat** there you go again. do you ever have anything substantive to say? \*\* Yes. For example the comment above. For all of Coll’s outbursts and swearing, I prefer his kind a thousand times more than inconsequential pricks like yourself. You accuse him of narcissism, gloating at his banning, all the while knowing he can not reply to your slurs or defend himself. If you’d care to show how these aren’t the acts of a craven little simpering brat, I’d like to see you try. Of course you’ll note I have the decency to say this to your face while you can respond. ---
**Author:** ![dantheman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dantheman/32/9421_2.png) [@dantheman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dantheman)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2002, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/collounsbury-6-3-2000-to-11-28-2002/140027/198 "2002-12-03T20:20:44Z")
Hey. Here’s an idea. Do it in another thread. ---
**Author:** ![iampunha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/74df32/32.png) [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2002, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/collounsbury-6-3-2000-to-11-28-2002/140027/199 "2002-12-03T20:20:59Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by grienspace \* > And if I was narcisstic, I’d be pleased with all the attention too. Why bother learning the subjunctive? There’s no future in it;) ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2002, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/collounsbury-6-3-2000-to-11-28-2002/140027/200 "2002-12-03T20:21:38Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Libertarian \* > \*\*No one should be kicking Coll here now. Given the circumstances, it is ethically despicable. \*\* Well, I for one didn’t say anything here that I didn’t also say say in that other pit thread back before he was banned. But I see your point, I’ll stop beating a banned horse. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/collounsbury-6-3-2000-to-11-28-2002/140027.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/collounsbury-6-3-2000-to-11-28-2002/140027.md?page=11)