# Collounsbury, 6-3-2000 to 11-28-2002 **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 2, 2002, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/collounsbury-6-3-2000-to-11-28-2002/140027 "2002-12-02T20:10:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![China\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/779978/32.png) [@China\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/China_Guy)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/collounsbury-6-3-2000-to-11-28-2002/140027/241 "2002-12-04T13:13:36Z")
Damn, just now saw this post after 5 pages. **Collounsbury** , I for one will miss your posts. You’re a pro. Most people on the boards have never dealt with an analyst that lives in the real world. Keep on fightin’ ignorance. ---
**Author:** ![Sparc](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/65b543/32.png) [@Sparc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sparc)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/collounsbury-6-3-2000-to-11-28-2002/140027/242 "2002-12-04T14:15:56Z")
> [@](#): > > _lucwarm_ > > I’d love to see an example of a discussion where, at the end, Collounsbury admitted he was wrong and agreed to reconsider his position. Just like many of us would love to see you back the fuck down from your repeatedly defeated, irrational and uninformed nineteenth century arguments on biological race. Pot? Kettle? Black! Sparc ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/collounsbury-6-3-2000-to-11-28-2002/140027/243 "2002-12-04T14:30:05Z")
Kabbes wrote: > [@](#): > > And I found that I had to speak up after all. Frankly I’m ashamed. You should be. Suppose a man were to explode merely because someone holds to a particular economic philosophy (the Austrian School), would you not say he is a dick? ---
**Author:** ![istara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e79b87/32.png) [@istara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/istara)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/collounsbury-6-3-2000-to-11-28-2002/140027/244 "2002-12-04T14:32:45Z")
**Sparc** - you’re cool. ---
**Author:** ![Maeglin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8baadc/32.png) [@Maeglin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maeglin)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/collounsbury-6-3-2000-to-11-28-2002/140027/245 "2002-12-04T14:37:41Z")
I found that particularly amusing, **Doghouse**. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![hawthorne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@hawthorne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hawthorne)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/collounsbury-6-3-2000-to-11-28-2002/140027/246 "2002-12-04T14:39:32Z")
> [@](#): > > _lucwarm_ > Some of his beliefs were reasoned; some were nonsense. cite? ---
**Author:** ![Kal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/9de053/32.png) [@Kal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kal)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/collounsbury-6-3-2000-to-11-28-2002/140027/247 "2002-12-04T14:40:56Z")
By Jove **Sparc**! That was most unreasonable of you sir. **lucwarm’s** arguments on biological race may be nineteenth century, uninformed, irrational and repeatedly defeated but they’re _civil_! Now, please take a cucumber sandwich and I’ll get one of the tea wallahs to pour you a nice cup of Earl Grey, old chap. After we’ve retired to the drawing room for cognacs, I’ll have one of the serving girls sent to your room. ---
**Author:** ![Efrem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d78d45/32.png) [@Efrem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Efrem)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/collounsbury-6-3-2000-to-11-28-2002/140027/248 "2002-12-04T15:46:06Z")
Like everyone else I can’t really disagree with the Mods’ choice. However, I can’t find the logic that would ban Stormfront members, but still leave a vile bigot like **kalt** or others untouched? Anyway, I think it was the frustration that did him in. To argue about one thing so strongly for a long time, only to have someone (or even the same person like a month later) dust it off and apply the same bigoted and flawed arguments again, then again, in numerous threads. In the long run that could send anyone flaming. Also, It seems ironic (for this of all boards) that we can hear people say that they would rather feel the friendly handshake of vile bigotry and despicable ignorance from members, then feel the swift slap of experienced knowledge and real intelligence from **Col**.\* For the nature of the arguments he was always fighting, I not only forgive him for his harsh words, but also plead that at times they weren’t harsh enough. However, I am not a Moderator nor is this my Message board. But, if it were… - Can you tell that I am bad at metaphors? ---
**Author:** ![Efrem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d78d45/32.png) [@Efrem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Efrem)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/collounsbury-6-3-2000-to-11-28-2002/140027/249 "2002-12-04T15:48:41Z")
P.S. **Doghouse Reilly** is an asshole. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/collounsbury-6-3-2000-to-11-28-2002/140027/250 "2002-12-04T16:31:38Z")
Efrem wrote: > [@](#): > > Also, It seems ironic (for this of all boards) that we can hear people say that they would rather feel the friendly handshake of vile bigotry and despicable ignorance from members, then feel the swift slap of experienced knowledge and real intelligence from Col. Then why did you say it? No one else has. ---
**Author:** ![Efrem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d78d45/32.png) [@Efrem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Efrem)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/collounsbury-6-3-2000-to-11-28-2002/140027/251 "2002-12-04T16:37:23Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Libertarian \* > \*\*Efrem wrote: > > Then why did you say it? No one else has. \*\* Huh? ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/collounsbury-6-3-2000-to-11-28-2002/140027/252 "2002-12-04T16:54:22Z")
**efrem** , **Lib** is challenging your statement that anyone would > [@](#): > > rather feel the friendly handshake of vile bigotry and despicable ignorance from members No one has actually expressed the desire to welcome vile bigotry and despicable ignorance. Most have acknowledged **Col** ’s knowledge; most have regretted his temper; no one has actually claimed that they prefer courtesy to knowledge. (There is _some_ disagreement regarding the depth and quality of **Col** ’s knowledge, but there has been no claim that ignorance is _preferred_. ---
**Author:** ![SuaSponte](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/67e7ee/32.png) [@SuaSponte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuaSponte)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/collounsbury-6-3-2000-to-11-28-2002/140027/253 "2002-12-04T16:58:48Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by kabbes \* > However when I finally did read through the thread, I was shocked just how many people actually find a bit of frustrated ire more offensive than the frequently breathtakingly unpleasant, petty, obnoxious, bigoted and just plain nasty abuse against subsections of humanity that caused that ire in the first place. > > And I found that I had to speak up after all. Frankly I’m ashamed. > > pan And where, exactly, did you get this idea? I haven’t seen anyone defending the fucktards **Coll** went postal on at all, much less arguing that they are better or worse people than **Coll.** Your attitude appears to be that if one side is bad, the other side is allowed to respond in any way they see fit, regardless of whether the response is itself offensive or violates the established rules. So I take it you would support a U.S. invasion of Iraq even if the UN forbids it? 😃 Sua ---
**Author:** ![Koxinga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/4af34b/32.png) [@Koxinga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Koxinga)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/collounsbury-6-3-2000-to-11-28-2002/140027/254 "2002-12-04T17:13:26Z")
And thereupon the middle door of the BBQ Pit was thrown open with a great clang, and out of it there came an embassy from Gary Kumquat. ``` At its head there rode a tall and evil shape, mounted upon a black horse, if horse it was; for it was huge and hideous, and its face was a frightful mask, more like a skull than a living head, and in the sockets of its eyes and in its nostrils there burned a flame. The rider was robed all in black, and black was his lofty helm; yet this was no Sock Puppet but a living poster. The Lieutenant of the Asskissers of Collounsbury he was, and his name is remembered in no tale; for he himself had forgotten it, and he said: 'I am the Anus of Gary Kumquat'. ``` ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/collounsbury-6-3-2000-to-11-28-2002/140027/255 "2002-12-04T17:21:10Z")
Aw, dammit, it had to happen sometime. Nothing to add here to the consensus of “he added a lot” / “he also subtracted a lot”, except the observation that he often said he was drunk while posting. Pity it is, though, that invective is a capital offense while bullcrap is not. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/collounsbury-6-3-2000-to-11-28-2002/140027/256 "2002-12-04T17:29:43Z")
Invective is alive and well in the pit, not to pitty. ---
**Author:** ![Maeglin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8baadc/32.png) [@Maeglin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maeglin)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/collounsbury-6-3-2000-to-11-28-2002/140027/257 "2002-12-04T17:31:22Z")
I have to say, though the Tolkien pastiches are painful, I do find this: > [@](#): > > ‘I am the Anus of Gary Kumquat’ Curiously amusing. ---
**Author:** ![Sparc](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/65b543/32.png) [@Sparc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sparc)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/collounsbury-6-3-2000-to-11-28-2002/140027/258 "2002-12-04T17:37:51Z")
**Tom** and **Sua** , You have a point in saying that no one has defended Col’s victims (save some of the victims themselves). However, I surmise that the point some of us have tried to bring over is that there are a few cases of blatant and offensive bigotry that, however dressed, is just as offensive to some of us as Col’s outburst is to some others. Yet the bigots remain and Col goes… the fact that many of the ardent critics of Mr. Lounsbury have cried “favoritism” rhymes badly with that state of affairs. For what it’s worth I am of the opinion that both the assheads in the Polite-But-Bigoted camp and their hothead opponents from Vitriol City should be tolerated. What the board should be rid of are the hothead assheads, and that already works. I’ll put it more direct: IMHO there are posters that have broken the rules by being jerks, baiting and so forth, just as much as Col did through his ad-hominems. Only because they use a nicer tone they remain, I don’t think that is fair. I might add that none of the above pretends to be objective as I am aware that some few, or maybe even some many posters would place me somewhere in the general vicinity of hothead central at times. But hey, what’s objectivity when we entertain on such tender topics a sense and sensibility. Sparc ---
**Author:** ![Koxinga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/4af34b/32.png) [@Koxinga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Koxinga)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/collounsbury-6-3-2000-to-11-28-2002/140027/259 "2002-12-04T17:38:19Z")
The things one does when one is home alone with nothing to do, and a shelf full of Tolkien is handy. handy, now, who would he be? Gollum, perhaps? ---
**Author:** ![Truth\_Seeker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/5fc32e/32.png) [@Truth\_Seeker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Truth_Seeker)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/collounsbury-6-3-2000-to-11-28-2002/140027/260 "2002-12-04T17:41:41Z")
**Doghouse** , if you’re an asshole, you’re a hilarious asshole! **Efrem** , don’t get mad, you’ve actually been paid a very high compliment here. You’ve been awarded a personal sig tied to an important episode in SDMB history! > [@](#): > > “The Lieutenant of the Asskissers of Collounsbury he was, and his name is remembered in no tale; for he himself had forgotten it, and he said: ‘I am the Anus of Gary Kumquat’” Of course, it might be a bit more punchy if you edited it down a bit. Don’t forget the attribution! e.g. * * * “I am the Anus of Gary Kumquat.” – _Doghouse Reilly_ [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/collounsbury-6-3-2000-to-11-28-2002/140027.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/collounsbury-6-3-2000-to-11-28-2002/140027.md?page=14)