# Collounsbury, 6-3-2000 to 11-28-2002 **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 2, 2002, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/collounsbury-6-3-2000-to-11-28-2002/140027 "2002-12-02T20:10:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![Una\_Persson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/una_persson/32/346_2.png) [@Una\_Persson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Una_Persson)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/collounsbury-6-3-2000-to-11-28-2002/140027/281 "2002-12-04T18:33:10Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Anthracite \* > **Since we are on Page 5, heading for Page 6…** Or Page 6 heading towards Page 7. Days go by, and still… ---
**Author:** ![Hazel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e56c9b/32.png) [@Hazel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hazel)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/collounsbury-6-3-2000-to-11-28-2002/140027/282 "2002-12-04T18:51:52Z")
> [@](#): > > \*From a post by Jojo \* > \*\* > Collounsbury was abrasive to be sure but then most of the time his abrasiveness was directed at people who deserved it. I tended to take his hostile sounding posts in the way (I think) they were meant - as witty rejoinders. In fact, being insulted by Collounsbury is quite an honour - you know you’ve arrived. > > He was mainly only rude to people who made ignorant assertions. If you asked him a question in a spirit of honest inquiry then he would usually give you a genuine response. He may still be slightly abrasive but that was just his style, the main thing is he would tell you what you wanted to know. > > Middle eastern society is so different to western society that it would take the sharp words of Collounsbury to bring home to you that the whole world ain’t kansas. > > ok he was rude but he was always informative whilst being rude. He never posted a purely “rude” post. He would always explain precisely why he thought a particular poster was a jackass. > > There are other posters who are knowledgable about the middle east such as Tamerlane (and their contributions are just as valuable) but this whole thing is such a hot button issue at the moment. We need all the informed views we can get. > > I hope that, after a suitable period, Collounsbury will e mail Lynn with a promise to restrain his tongue and rejoin. \*\* Good analysis. I agree. Maybe the rule should be, you can call people idiots, dopes, jerks, and otherwise be insulting _providing you can cite evidence_ that they _actually are_ idiots, dopes, jerks, wilfully ignorant, or whatever. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/collounsbury-6-3-2000-to-11-28-2002/140027/283 "2002-12-04T18:54:41Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Anthracite \* > \*\*I didn’t see what December said. I just read some Edward Gorey, and the meter was fresh in my mind. > . \*\* I don’t think it was the _content_ of your post, rather that you posted in rhyming (which **december** does now and then) ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/collounsbury-6-3-2000-to-11-28-2002/140027/284 "2002-12-04T19:02:37Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Anthracite \* > \*\*I didn’t see what December said. I just read some Edward Gorey, and the meter was fresh in my mind. > > I think it expresses what I feel. Since we are on Page 5, heading for Page 6, it seems that everyone needs to jump in with either condemnation, support, or ambivalence at this point. \*\* Just joking Anthracite - for a while December was doing a rhyming routine is all. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/collounsbury-6-3-2000-to-11-28-2002/140027/285 "2002-12-04T19:47:30Z")
To respond to **wring’s** rant about me: It wasn’t my intention to pollute this thread with dialogue irrelevant to the nature of this wake, which should be devoted to **Collounsbury** , but as you insist: > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by wring \* > how about addressing the point that was made: > > A. you specifically called **Gary** a liar, that there was ‘no evidence’ of you gloating. > > B. several of us pointed out specific posts of yours that we interpreted as ‘gloating’. > > Therefore **at best** you were hasty at calling him a liar. I’m sure we’ve been through this before. You, **Kumquat** , **Kal** , **Sparc**. The fact that you guys can’t stand my guts is well known to me. You guys behave like fuckin school boys, like what’s up with that snickering “reindeer” reference . Some inside joke boys? You have no evidence to assert that I was gloating. You certainly may speculate, as it is well known that **Collounsbury** and I did not get along. But let me tell you that I have ten times, no let me make it 100 times the respect for **Collounsbury** that I have for you. I’ve never missed checking into a **Collounsbury** post if I was aware of it, but passing over your name when listed on the forum is routine for me. So if you guys do not see fit to take me at my word, and submit an apology, don’t expect me to apologize in light of your dim-witted conclusion in re gloating. > [@](#): > > I attempted in my first post to you, to give you an out, that you were perhaps ‘unaware’ at how your words sounded to others. I don’t believe you. Our mutual history suggests merely an attempted set up to villify me. > [@](#): > > the fact that you’ve made no attempt to acknowledge that your word choice was abysmal, and instead continue to heap condemnation on the others (calling us ‘whiners’ for suggesting that you were gloating) for our misinterpreting **your** words (\*to be differentiated from misreading), demonstrates how very appropriate **Gary’s** response to you was. What, and that demonstrates I was gloating? Let me give you a clue. don’t be thinking about going into law if and when you graduate high school. > [@](#): > > Again- in my first post to you, I was giving you an out, allowing that perhaps your words were poorly chosen, but you’ve failed repeatedly to acknowledge that simple fact. > > Petty. Again, bullshit! ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/collounsbury-6-3-2000-to-11-28-2002/140027/286 "2002-12-04T20:02:28Z")
what fucking history? This thread is the first time I ever recall butting heads w/you. And since I’ve rarely posted in the past several months, I believe that you’d have to go back at least a year before you’d find me even addressing you specifically. You simply aren’t that important to me. You said there is ‘no evidence’. you are wrong. We pointed out words that could **easily** be seen as gloating. You apparently didn’t mean them that way, and I repeat for the motherfucking last time, **fine - but fucking acknowledge that your fucking words can easily be seen as fucking gloating**. you link me w/ the others - try finding other threads where we all lined up. You say that you doubt my words to you that I gave you an out. my original comment was > [@](#): > > FWIW - I took your “narcisic” comment as pretty snarky/gloaty kind of thing. So, as far as ‘evidence’ of your gloating, that would work for me. I did also note that your first post was a regret; If you say now that you didn’t mean that comment (for one) as a ‘gloat’, fine, I’ll accept that, but I don’t think Gary was wildly off base for his comment, so: > > 1. no, in my view, Gary at worst was mistaken about your stance, > > 2. but that ‘mistake’ was pretty understandable given the words you actually did post, so > > 3, IMHO, Gary was neither lying nor does he owe you an appology. Which unequivacably says “If you say that comment (for one) as a gloat, fine, I’ll accept that” So asshole - **my fucking words say exactly what I meant and what I said that they do** vs. **yours** which can (and according to you) **were** misinterpreted. So, your position, apparently, is that I am lying directly and that my very clear words to you were a lie, whereas, I’ve wronged you severely by misunderstanding your (easily misunderstood) words? You can be assured that I will indeed remember you as a jerk in the future. Congrats. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/collounsbury-6-3-2000-to-11-28-2002/140027/287 "2002-12-04T20:05:06Z")
Look, if he was frustrated, all he had to do was go to the Pit and make a thread. That’s what I do. That is what the majority of people around here do. ---
**Author:** ![IzzyR](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/2acd7d/32.png) [@IzzyR](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IzzyR)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/collounsbury-6-3-2000-to-11-28-2002/140027/288 "2002-12-04T20:15:03Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by wring \* > what fucking history? > > This thread is the first time I ever recall butting heads w/you. And since I’ve rarely posted in the past several months, I believe that you’d have to go back at least a year before you’d find me even addressing you specifically. You simply aren’t that important to me. [Here you go](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?postid=2416247#post2416247) Glad to help, as always. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Una\_Persson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/una_persson/32/346_2.png) [@Una\_Persson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Una_Persson)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/collounsbury-6-3-2000-to-11-28-2002/140027/289 "2002-12-04T20:26:37Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Gary Kumquat \* > \*\*Just joking Anthracite - for a while December was doing a rhyming routine is all. \*\* Sure, I knew. I was just surprised that someone else had done rhyming. Maybe next I will do the “Collounsbury Rap”. Maybe along the lines of those requiems for Snoop Dog or Notorious BIG… 😉 ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/collounsbury-6-3-2000-to-11-28-2002/140027/290 "2002-12-04T20:35:10Z")
Thanx **Izzy**. Note that **Sparc** was on my case too. Now that was TWO MONTHS AGO. Now what is it **wring**? You lying or you’ve got alzheimers? Fuck! ---
**Author:** ![IzzyR](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/2acd7d/32.png) [@IzzyR](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IzzyR)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/collounsbury-6-3-2000-to-11-28-2002/140027/291 "2002-12-04T20:38:07Z")
In all fairness, I doubt if she remembered it - it was not an extended battle. Still, you’re on solid ground yourself as well. I call for a truce. ---
**Author:** ![Kal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/9de053/32.png) [@Kal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kal)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/collounsbury-6-3-2000-to-11-28-2002/140027/292 "2002-12-04T20:40:27Z")
> [@](#): > > I’m sure we’ve been through this before. You, Kumquat, Kal, Sparc. The fact that you guys can’t stand my guts is well known to me. You guys behave like fuckin school boys, like what’s up with that snickering “reindeer” reference . Some inside joke boys? Wanna show me where I’ve said I hate your guts? I think that in the aftermath of **Coll’s** banning, you’ve acted with little class and I also think that you are very whiney. That, to you, translates into hating your guts? Got news for you; if you really think you’re important enough for me to hate, then you’re way fucking wrong. The ‘snickering’ reference to Reindeer was made by just me. It comes from [this thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=145357). **Twisty** asked me what the crudest word my Speak and Spell could come up with, I told him ‘Reindeer’ and **Gary** thought the exchange was funny. You may notice that no-one responded to it so doesn’t appear to be too much of an inside joke, does it? Get over yourself, sunshine. Kal ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/collounsbury-6-3-2000-to-11-28-2002/140027/293 "2002-12-04T20:42:39Z")
I had no idea **wring** is a woman. ---
**Author:** ![SuaSponte](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/67e7ee/32.png) [@SuaSponte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuaSponte)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/collounsbury-6-3-2000-to-11-28-2002/140027/294 "2002-12-04T20:45:25Z")
> [@](#): > > _by Kabbes_ > > > [@](#): > > > > _by me_ > > > > And where, exactly, did you get this idea? I haven’t seen anyone defending the fucktards Coll went postal on at all, much less arguing that they are better or worse people than Coll. > > No? I’ve seen the majority arguing that he deserved his banning and barely a murmur suggesting that the morons he dealt with did too. If behaviour A is worthy of banning then behaviour B that is more offensive than behaviour A certainly deserves it too. As such I can only conclude that people think that Coll’s crime was the more heinous. Actually, no. People think that Coll’s crime was the one that violated the rules of the Board. The administrators of the Board strive to be viewpoint-neutral, while policing the tone used to express such viewpoints. That is a difficult task, as most people want just as much as you and I to slam those morons. But there is a long tradition that believes that the free marketplace of ideas is a good thing, and the Boards agree. The goal of the mods and administrators is to keep things civil, not stomp on idiots. Sua ---
**Author:** ![Sparc](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/65b543/32.png) [@Sparc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sparc)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/collounsbury-6-3-2000-to-11-28-2002/140027/295 "2002-12-04T21:09:02Z")
> [@](#): > > _grienspace_ > > Note that Sparc was on my case too. Note that I was on your case because of your confused blabbering and obvious lack of understanding as to what provocative and offensive opinion in the shades of bigotry is. You are right though this is getting a tad bit repetitive… what’s the cause of this repition and the constant common denominator, now it couldn’t be you, or could it? And **grieny** , you seem to think it’s personal. It really isn’t, at least not for me. I don’t have the first clue of who you are. All I can do is talk to the words that pop up on this screen. Although I am sure you’re a decent fellow in some other reality, thus far I await more impressive missives in your name. Sparc ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/collounsbury-6-3-2000-to-11-28-2002/140027/296 "2002-12-04T21:47:03Z")
so, more than two fucking months ago, I addressed you in a thread and disagreed w/you. That, in your mind (and yours, too **Izzy** ) constitutes “Butting heads with” or “Having a history” ? If that’s the case then I “have a history” with damn near everyone here, including some close pals like **Fenris** (with whom I’ve often disagreed), or **Guin** (with whom I’ve occasionally disagreed). (and FTR, no, I didn’t recall that one specifically - I **do** recall butting heads w/ **december** repeatedly for example, I remember **disagreeing** w/ **Izzy, Scylla** etc in threads, but not butting heads. I recall exactly two other posters that I would admit that I “butted heads/with” , **TheRyan** and someother guy who’s name starts w/a “w”, that’s it from what I recall - I don’t carry grudges - even w/ **december** with whom I almost always disagree and can get frustrated w/ ) and since you now admit that you didn’t realize my gender was female, I suggest to you that is some measure of evidence that we **don’t** have a significant history. (that fact routinely comes up, either 'cause I post something about being a mom, or 'cause some one else refers to me as a ‘dude’ and I correct it to “dudette”) ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/collounsbury-6-3-2000-to-11-28-2002/140027/297 "2002-12-04T21:47:31Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by grienspace \* > \*\*I had no idea **wring** is a woman. \*\* Hell, until you told me I had no idea I couldn’t stand your guts. Funny old world. Still laughing about Reindeers though. ---
**Author:** ![IzzyR](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/2acd7d/32.png) [@IzzyR](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IzzyR)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/collounsbury-6-3-2000-to-11-28-2002/140027/298 "2002-12-04T21:50:19Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by wring \* > so, more than two fucking months ago, I addressed you in a thread and disagreed w/you. That, in your mind (and yours, too **Izzy** ) constitutes “Butting heads with” or “Having a history” ? Well you didn’t just disagree with him - you pretty much characterized him as a near-troll. So I would think he might be justified in not taking your offer of “an out” at face value. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/collounsbury-6-3-2000-to-11-28-2002/140027/299 "2002-12-04T22:09:02Z")
Nope, not at all, **Izzy** and please to stop putting words in my mouth. here’s what I said > [@](#): > > my ‘off thetop of my head’ list of consevatives who get called on the carpet continually include you and december in the prior paragraph I say > [@](#): > > conservatives who don’t get accused of trolling (or calls for their banning) include (list of names) Now, that is **not** the same as calling him a troll or calling for his banning. I said he was “called on the carpet”, that there were other conservatives who weren’t called trolls or had people begging for their banning, but I did not say that he was a troll or that he should be banned (left open for the door that other people may have said those things - I don’t recall specifically, I do believe that he’s been pitted before, but not as regularly as **december**. So, again - I fucking disagreed with him three months ago. You _do_ have me on the fact that I had specifically addressed him 3 months ago ( I did not recall that, believe it as you will - that was page 3 of a 6 page thread that wasn’t even started by him. so sue me) if you consider a single disagreement from 3 months ago (on page 3 of a 6 page thread) to be ‘having a history’, then again, I suggest that **everyone** has a ‘history’ with damn near everyone here. ---
**Author:** ![Kal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/9de053/32.png) [@Kal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kal)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/collounsbury-6-3-2000-to-11-28-2002/140027/300 "2002-12-04T22:16:00Z")
Okay **grienspace** , I’ve just looked at my posts in the previous thread about **Coll’s** [attitude](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=141400), re-read my posts in this thread and done a search to see if we’ve interracted much. In this thread, I’ve said that kicking **Coll** was not very classy, told **Gary** to call you a stupid name and move on, then taken the piss out of **lucwarm’s** use of the word civil. In the older thread I asked if **Coll** was aware he had been pitted, told **Gary** that I assumed the comment you regarded as racist was “calling a spade a spade” then, when he asked if you were kidding, told him I that I didn’t know and that I was drunk from all the whine. Searching for any interaction with you, I found one reference where I replied to you regarding troll-hunting. I get really pissed when I’m falsely accused of something. So, do you want to show me the posts that made it ‘well known’ to you that I hated your guts? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/collounsbury-6-3-2000-to-11-28-2002/140027.md?page=14) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/collounsbury-6-3-2000-to-11-28-2002/140027.md?page=16)