# Collounsbury, 6-3-2000 to 11-28-2002 **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 2, 2002, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/collounsbury-6-3-2000-to-11-28-2002/140027 "2002-12-02T20:10:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/collounsbury-6-3-2000-to-11-28-2002/140027/301 "2002-12-04T22:21:46Z")
Damn it **wring** , I never said we “butted heads” or" had a history". you are rebutting your own words. I believe we call that a strawman around here.What I said was > [@](#): > > I’m sure we’ve been through this before. You, Kumquat, Kal, Sparc. The fact that you guys can’t stand my guts is well known to me What is my evidence? well you said > [@](#): > > conservatives who don’t get accused of trolling (or calls for their banning) include zev, Jodi, Fenris, Scylla, UncleBeer, Ex-Tank, Anthracite, Izzy, - > and that’s just off the top of my head. my ‘off thetop of my head’ list of consevatives who get called on the carpet continually include you and december. My response to this scathing charge was to simply deny I was a conservative. I did it gently too, considering we don’t have “a significant history” To say I’ve been continually on the carpet for being a troll was so ridiculous and unsupportable I didn’t even respond to it. (like how would you know because we "don’t have a significant history)Basically a one sided attack. So when you popped up with your so innocent post giving this “conservative troll” a chance, forgive me if I nearly puked. ---
**Author:** ![IzzyR](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/2acd7d/32.png) [@IzzyR](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IzzyR)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/collounsbury-6-3-2000-to-11-28-2002/140027/302 "2002-12-04T22:23:01Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by wring \* > Nope, not at all, **Izzy** and please to stop putting words in my mouth…Now, that is **not** the same as calling him a troll or calling for his banning. I’m sorry, I don’t see it that way. Your post was in support of a previous post which said > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by wring \* > ANd it can easily be seen as ‘trolling’. this has been pointed out time and time again, to again pretend that it’s 'cause the OP is of a conservative nature is to ignore the specific issue. Your subsequent post was a continuation of this theme, i.e. that coservatives who get called on the carpet are being so called for legitimate reasons, e.g. those listed above, and not for being conservatives. By including Grienspace in this category you implied that he too was guilty of crimes of a similar nature. It could possibly be that you did not mean it that way, but that’s how I take it, and I think it is reasonable for someone to take it that way. > [@](#): > > I did not recall that, believe it as you will Well, yeah. I specifically said this earlier. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/collounsbury-6-3-2000-to-11-28-2002/140027/303 "2002-12-04T22:27:38Z")
I’ve got to be somewhere now, so can’t respond - but I believe that you did indeed say “given our history”, which is why I posted “what fucking history” and I’ve already explained that one mother fucking remark from three fucking months ago. Be assured - I will **now** admit to ‘having a history’ w/you. you’re an asshole of the first water, and I doubt that I’ll forget it soon. congrats. (and while you’re having fun checking out the search function- you’ll note that I **rarely** get into pissing matches like this - like I said there’s only a few folks who’ve ever sparked my ‘piss off meter’ like you have managed. That aught to tell you something - I’ve been here for several years, and 7000 posts and don’t often get into the ‘fuck this fuck you motherfucking’ gig. It takes a special level of jerkiness to succeed in that). ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/collounsbury-6-3-2000-to-11-28-2002/140027/304 "2002-12-04T22:30:46Z")
**Kal** , you are right. I shouldn’t have lumped you in with the others. My mistake. Are we okay now? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/collounsbury-6-3-2000-to-11-28-2002/140027/305 "2002-12-04T22:41:08Z")
**wring** , You’re trying to weasel out of a hole you put yourself into. I don’t blame you for being pissed off with me. I don’t take kindly to people who deviously try to put me down and continually try to put up a smokescreen to hide their true intent. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/collounsbury-6-3-2000-to-11-28-2002/140027/306 "2002-12-04T22:42:40Z")
Yeah, **wring** , we’re mortal enemies, right? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/collounsbury-6-3-2000-to-11-28-2002/140027/307 "2002-12-04T22:44:03Z")
Oh, and **wring** got to be somewhere do you? I can’t help but notice that at the time of my last post that you are still here. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Koxinga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/4af34b/32.png) [@Koxinga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Koxinga)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/collounsbury-6-3-2000-to-11-28-2002/140027/308 "2002-12-04T23:28:48Z")
Cool it, y’all. I don’t want to have to do a pastiche of The Kinslaying. Although it would be cool to have something featuring Lynn Bodini as Mandos pronouncing the Doom of the Valar. (I should have had Ed Zotti as Manwe while Lynn–whose profile reads the Angel of Death–would be better suited as Mandos. Need we ask who Eru would be?) ---
**Author:** ![Sparc](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/65b543/32.png) [@Sparc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sparc)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/collounsbury-6-3-2000-to-11-28-2002/140027/309 "2002-12-04T23:34:55Z")
Need more shovels **grieny**? I’ll repeat my previous statement about your wielding Narcis a little to quickly. I’ll also chime in and join the others in questioning how you got the idea that we had a long standing animosity between us. I sure as hell have sniped you a couple of times for being an incoherent toad, but if you want to see what I’m like when I’m really pissed, search on my username and **december** , or **Barking Spider**. Don’t look too deep into that reflection in the puddle in front of you, you might forget which one the real you is and which one is naught but the muddy waters of your perception. Sparc ---
**Author:** ![Mtgman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b5a626/32.png) [@Mtgman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mtgman)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/collounsbury-6-3-2000-to-11-28-2002/140027/310 "2002-12-04T23:37:08Z")
Are you using the VBcode checkmark to determine if **wring** is here or not **grienspace**? If so you should probably know that it’s not a good indicator of the person’s current activity on the boards. **wring** could have been posting from work and just locked her PC and walked away. The session with the SDMB wasn’t shut down so the “this user is online” checkmark would still be active until the session times out serverside or they actually logout. I’m not positive this is how vBulletin works, but from my experience with similar applications and my knowledge of web development in general I’d say it’s a pretty good chance of being accurate. Enjoy, Steven ---
**Author:** ![Kal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/9de053/32.png) [@Kal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kal)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/collounsbury-6-3-2000-to-11-28-2002/140027/311 "2002-12-04T23:42:08Z")
> [@](#): > > Kal, you are right. Damn straight. I am _always_ right. The sooner I can convince everybody else of that fact, the happier I’ll be. Okay, I may have varying degrees of rightness or - as I prefer to call it - correctitude, but still… > [@](#): > > Are we okay now? Sure we’re okay. I do, however, reserve the right to call you a reindeer if the need arises. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2002, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/collounsbury-6-3-2000-to-11-28-2002/140027/312 "2002-12-05T00:40:04Z")
**Sparc** , feeling left out? Should I have responded to your previous post? > [@](#): > > _Sparc_ > I’ll repeat my previous statement about your wielding Narcis a little to quickly Why repeat. Weren’t you clear enough the first time. You’re entitled to your opinion in that regard. No one is quite certain when the widow should stop wearing black, are they. > [@](#): > > I’ll also chime in and join the others in questioning how you got the idea that we had a long standing animosity between us Your words > [@](#): > > ## quote: > > Said grienspace > I do wish to add that I have seen no historical precedant for a mother to express joy at her son’s immanent death. The question that might stir a debate is : > > ## Is the motivation for the mother to encourage her son’s demise spurred by the financial reward offered to Palistinian suicide bomber’s families, or is it extreme hatred for Israelis. > > As for the first part history is full of them. In antiquity you had the warriors of Sparta, in modern times you had the Soviet martyr of WWII, just to mention two out of thousands of examples where martyrdom was celebrated even by the mothers of the dead ‘heroes’ (thereby not saying neither that it’s a healthy approach to motherhood nor that it makes the phenomena morally acceptable). > > As for the second part; what kind of cynical crap ass comment was that? Care to expand? You just managed to marginalize both the perpetrator and the victims by insinuating that financial gain might be the grounds for these atrocities, well done! > > Sparc Remember that one **Sparc**? Not a big deal. but there are others in the same vein whereby you feel the need to express disdain in my direction… In this case the mere question on my part as to the motivation of a mother looking forward to her son’s violent death elicits a charge of marginalizing the victims of a suicide bombing? How fucking ridiculous. The only reason I could fathom for that stupid comment is that you feel that you are morally superior to me and that you need to assert it. That is why I can’t take you seriously. Clear? ---
**Author:** ![lucwarm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e19adc/32.png) [@lucwarm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lucwarm)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2002, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/collounsbury-6-3-2000-to-11-28-2002/140027/313 "2002-12-05T00:55:17Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Sparc \* > \*\*Just like many of us would love to see you back the fuck down from your repeatedly defeated, irrational and uninformed nineteenth century arguments on biological race. > > \*\* Gah. Quit trying to change the subject. Anyway, if you think I have made irrational or uninformed arguments, please feel free to ressurect the threads in question and point out EXACTLY where I have done so. Believe it or not, I will consider your arguments in good faith and admit it if I need to reevaluate my position. ---
**Author:** ![Sparc](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/65b543/32.png) [@Sparc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sparc)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2002, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/collounsbury-6-3-2000-to-11-28-2002/140027/314 "2002-12-05T00:57:12Z")
Not clear. Your still imagining things grieny boy. I expressed disdain in the general direction of your opinion, and then sort of forgot about it. You’ll only wake my real ire by being repeatedly obtuse and offensive. In fact the last couple of posts _are_ convincing me that you are as a matter of fact an insensitive jerk. In the past I always passed you off as just a guy with a loose tongue that makes “cynical crap ass comment[s]” inadvertently. Are you trying to infer that I should join Collounsbury because I have attacked you personally instead of your posts in GD? Check again **veggieboy**! Oversensitive, insensitive, self denying _and_ narcissistic… Boy your a package for the analysts. Sparc ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2002, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/collounsbury-6-3-2000-to-11-28-2002/140027/315 "2002-12-05T01:00:54Z")
Ah, **Sparc** , now you’re just babbling like an idiot. ---
**Author:** ![Sparc](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/65b543/32.png) [@Sparc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sparc)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2002, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/collounsbury-6-3-2000-to-11-28-2002/140027/316 "2002-12-05T01:04:18Z")
> [@](#): > > _lucwarm_ > > Anyway, if you think I have made irrational or uninformed arguments, please feel free to ressurect the threads in question and point out EXACTLY where I have done so. Yopu’ve requested me and few thousand others to do this before and I still adamantly refuse. I have watched many a poster try to do this with you **luc**. Someone who manages to make members like Tom, Tars Tarkas, Tamerlane and other patiently ardent posters walk away and sigh deeply in desperation at your circular and repetitive drivel deserves some kind of price. You get that price. What was it Col called you again? **Argument Clinic Boy** … well that pretty much summarizes it. Sparc ---
**Author:** ![lucwarm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e19adc/32.png) [@lucwarm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lucwarm)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2002, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/collounsbury-6-3-2000-to-11-28-2002/140027/317 "2002-12-05T02:23:38Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by hawthorne \* > \*\*cite? \*\* I’ll try to come up with a good example. ---
**Author:** ![lucwarm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e19adc/32.png) [@lucwarm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lucwarm)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2002, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/collounsbury-6-3-2000-to-11-28-2002/140027/318 "2002-12-05T02:32:16Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Sparc \* > \*\*Yopu’ve requested me and few thousand others to do this before and I still adamantly refuse. \*\* Ahhh, the spirit of **Collounsbury** lingers on: You make a general statement and refuse to back it up with specifics. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Spiritus\_Mundi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c68b51/32.png) [@Spiritus\_Mundi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spiritus_Mundi)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2002, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/collounsbury-6-3-2000-to-11-28-2002/140027/319 "2002-12-05T03:51:52Z")
I’m trying to decide if this exchange is a travesty to **Col’s** memorial thread or a perfect and pointed monument. ---
**Author:** ![samclem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@samclem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/samclem)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2002, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/collounsbury-6-3-2000-to-11-28-2002/140027/320 "2002-12-05T04:06:52Z")
[channeling **Col.**] I see _drooling idiot’s_ here. [/channeling **Col**] [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/collounsbury-6-3-2000-to-11-28-2002/140027.md?page=15) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/collounsbury-6-3-2000-to-11-28-2002/140027.md?page=17)