# Colonel Bogey march vs River Kwai march **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** music\ **Created:** [September 6, 2021, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colonel-bogey-march-vs-river-kwai-march/950168 "2021-09-06T13:29:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 6\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Mark\_Finn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/34f0e0/32.png) [@Mark\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mark_Finn)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2021, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colonel-bogey-march-vs-river-kwai-march/950168/1 "2021-09-06T13:29:37Z")
Are these two distinct, separate tunes? “Colonel Bogey” dates back to 1914 (with various dubious explanations for its title - mostly referring to golf), whereas the 1958 Mitch Miller version ([March from the River Kwai and Colonel Bogey](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pDyqRQDtu8)) - has each part with separate composer credits. From what I gather, “River Kwai” is the background orchestral tune which comes in partway through the whistling. Am I correct? Is there a video/mp3 of just the “River Kwai” tune? ---
**Author:** ![saucywench](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/85e7bf/32.png) [@saucywench](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/saucywench)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2021, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colonel-bogey-march-vs-river-kwai-march/950168/2 "2021-09-06T17:48:15Z")
Here’s the 1914 original… [![](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/QuVYS4uw0as/hqdefault.jpg "Colonel Bogey March (Original)") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuVYS4uw0as) A counter-march was added for the 1957 movie. Maybe we can figure out what was added to the original song. From Wiki - On account of the movie, The Colonel Bogey March is sometimes miscredited as The River Kwai March. ---
**Author:** ![saucywench](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/85e7bf/32.png) [@saucywench](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/saucywench)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2021, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colonel-bogey-march-vs-river-kwai-march/950168/3 "2021-09-06T17:52:18Z")
Do we know if the added counter-march is within the original song, or somewhere else in the movie? ---
**Author:** ![erysichthon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d07c76/32.png) [@erysichthon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/erysichthon)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2021, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colonel-bogey-march-vs-river-kwai-march/950168/4 "2021-09-06T18:16:46Z")
Yes, in this scene where the soldiers are marching into the camp, whistling _Colonel Bogey_. At about 1:36, Malcolm Arnold’s _River Kwai March_ starts playing under the scene as the whistling continues. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/y47nTzKUJBE/maxresdefault.jpg "The Bridge on the River Kwai (1957) - Entering the camp") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y47nTzKUJBE) To answer the OP’s question: yes, they are separate compositions. _Colonel Bogey_ was written in 1914 by F. J. Ricketts; the _River Kwai March_ was written for the film by Malcolm Arnold. Arnold wrote it so it would work as a counterpoint to the whistling, but it is also heard in the film without it. Here’s a nice recording of Arnold’s march, without the _Colonel Bogey_ tune: [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/ke_qTQBnvoY/maxresdefault.jpg "The Bridge on the River Kwai: V. Finale. The River Kwai March (Arr. C. Palmer)") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ke_qTQBnvoY) ---
**Author:** ![Hatchie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hatchie/32/3983_2.png) [@Hatchie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hatchie)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2021, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colonel-bogey-march-vs-river-kwai-march/950168/5 "2021-09-06T19:23:38Z")
Well that was good to learn, because I always thought it was the other way around (ie. the River Kwai march was the first part, Col. Bogey was the part in the middle that sounds like circus music. Don’t know why I was confused). You will note that in the film, it’s just a brief and messy whistling interlude. It took Mitch Millet to make it a hit that everone remembers. ---
**Author:** ![Mark\_Finn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/34f0e0/32.png) [@Mark\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mark_Finn)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2021, 12:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colonel-bogey-march-vs-river-kwai-march/950168/6 "2021-09-07T12:15:19Z")
On his TV show, Mitch Miller usually had a group of 20-25 (male) singers. Does anyone have any idea of how many are actually doing the whistling on his recording? [This site](https://www.jazzmessengers.com/en/70953/malcolm-arnold/the-bridge-on-the-river-kwai-original-soundtrack) mentions that it was recorded in London, on November 11, 1957 (presumably with the Royal Philharmonic Orchestra). Trivial comment - his recording of the march spent 29 weeks on the Billboard charts in 1958 - longer than any other sing that year.