# Colorless Mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [December 2, 2009, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729 "2009-12-02T18:21:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2009, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/241 "2009-12-07T21:09:43Z")
> [@Freudian\_Slit](#): > > I don’t see how I’ve made the game more complex by trying to look into all possibilities. I also think the fact that **peeker** basically baited me into that stupid post about miller lynching was pretty obnoxious and so far one of the scummier moves. how the fuck did i bait you? if you were reading and not skimming you would have never made your post. bananas and peanut butter, fcs. shoot, if calling someone out on a total misquote and mischaracterization about a post that someone else made is scummy then shoot. you made it more complicated, not me. what up? sheesh anyone who reads the thread will see that. obfuscation and bullshit are not real highly desired traits in someone working for a town win. and i am so inclined to give you a pass since apparently we are on total different wave lengths that the peek has to take a think. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2009, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/242 "2009-12-07T21:10:00Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > But not **pedescribe** , who actually voted on that basis? And I don’t think **Rin Twisted** made his argument based on the grammar misunderstanding at all, so it’s sort of unfair to lump him into that group. ---
**Author:** ![Rin\_Twisted](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/82dd89/32.png) [@Rin\_Twisted](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rin_Twisted)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2009, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/243 "2009-12-07T21:11:54Z")
> [@Freudian\_Slit](#): > > He said that part about not lynching the miller, I agreed, and he automatically jumped on me for it. > > And I don’t get why people are being so defensive of him, and yet so offensive towards me. > > So **peeker** acts like an ass and it’s “just his way”? > > I think it’s way too convenient for scum to hide behind, “That’s just how I play” or “That’s just his strategy.” I think it’s weird that you’re so eager to defend him. Saying something is a nulltell is hardly an eager defense of the player. He’s saying it’s irrelevant, and I think he’s right. I personally don’t think peeker WAS acting like an ass. Being an aggressive player is a common and acceptable form of play in mafia. If anything, you’re the one prolonging this discussion. To keep this on track- do you think peeker is scum? If so, do you have anything else besides aggressive style of play that makes you think so? ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2009, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/244 "2009-12-07T21:12:08Z")
and for fuck’s sake. if **diver** doesn’t quit channeling i am call the exorcist. ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2009, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/245 "2009-12-07T21:12:31Z")
> [@Rin\_Twisted](#): > > amrussell is saying that is town is closing in on the scum rb, the rest of the scum will leap to save them, maybe even outing themselves. > > Now that it’s out there, why would scum do it, knowing we’re looking for it? So, why say it at all? A possible explanation: it’s meant to be direction for other scum. on what to do if the scum rb is in trouble. /snip But if they can’t day talk, would scum know who their roleblocker is? ---
**Author:** ![Rin\_Twisted](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/82dd89/32.png) [@Rin\_Twisted](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rin_Twisted)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2009, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/246 "2009-12-07T21:13:54Z")
neta= mod, I’ve got a vote out on amrussell thats not in your count. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2009, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/247 "2009-12-07T21:14:58Z")
> [@Freudian\_Slit](#): > > So **peeker** acts like an ass and it’s “just his way”? > > I think it’s way too convenient for scum to hide behind, “That’s just how I play” or “That’s just his strategy.” I think it’s weird that you’re so eager to defend him. “Is this player playing within his (or her) normal style?” is an important question when trying to sort out scum tells and decide if someone’s behavior is scummy. We got **Chronos** in the last game in large part because his behavior was off. We’re not here to run a Mafia finishing school, we’re here to kill scum. Which is why I also referred to your mislynch in Lost Mafia for coming down too hard on an aggressive player. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2009, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/248 "2009-12-07T21:15:54Z")
> [@Rin\_Twisted](#): > > Saying something is a nulltell is hardly an eager defense of the player. He’s saying it’s irrelevant, and I think he’s right. > > I personally don’t think peeker WAS acting like an ass. Being an aggressive player is a common and acceptable form of play in mafia. If anything, you’re the one prolonging this discussion. > > To keep this on track- do you think peeker is scum? If so, do you have anything else besides aggressive style of play that makes you think so? I think people are cutting him entirely too much slack. Okay, maybe I’m making too much of that miller thing, but it just seems like all he does is kind of fire wildly at random people who might very well be innocent and everyone sticks up for him because that’s just how he plays. Whereas I don’t think I’ve been remotely aggressive or scummy and I think I’ve raised good points and people are acting like I’m behaving suspiciously. It just makes me think people are defending **peeker** for the wrong reasons is all. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2009, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/249 "2009-12-07T21:18:03Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > Which is why I also referred to your mislynch in Lost Mafia for coming down too hard on an aggressive player. (that was to Freudian) NETA: because I think other players should at least be aware that you’ve taken exception to aggressive play as a Townie in the past. ---
**Author:** ![Rin\_Twisted](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/82dd89/32.png) [@Rin\_Twisted](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rin_Twisted)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2009, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/250 "2009-12-07T21:20:54Z")
> [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > /snip > > But if they can’t day talk, would scum know who their roleblocker is? I just went back to post 67 and took a look at the wording of the roles…Huh. Its clear the scum know who each other are, but it doesn’t state powers. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2009, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/251 "2009-12-07T21:25:08Z")
> [@Freudian\_Slit](#): > > He said that part about not lynching the miller, I agreed, and he automatically jumped on me for it. > > And I don’t get why people are being so defensive of him, and yet so offensive towards me. > > So **peeker** acts like an ass and it’s “just his way”? > > I think it’s way too convenient for scum to hide behind, “That’s just how I play” or “That’s just his strategy.” I think it’s weird that you’re so eager to defend him. i never said anything about lynching a miller. why the heck do you keep bring up your mistake and blaming it on me? i don’t think anyone is being very defensive of me fgs. matter of fact let’s just assume that everyone that hasn’t fallen down your position is teamed with me as scum and are deliberately trying to make me look good and you bad. uh, there’d be a heck of a lot more than four scum at this point. how am i being an “ass”? i know that you mischaracterized and quoted what i said. so i am in your grill for you to say you were wrong. you were skimming and not reading for content? shoot, iv’e done the same thing in the past and when i was wrong promptly admitted it. sheesh. once upon a time there was a land where everyone played together and all the children were above intelligence and appearance. crap, i like you **freud** but your position is getting tenuous at best. whoo, out of my system. i know we need to be nice, so. fuck, fuck, crap, turd, penisbreath, fuck, shit, douchebag, fuck. all better now. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2009, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/252 "2009-12-07T21:30:07Z")
That would mean operating on the assumption that the scum role PMs included information as to the identities AND roles of the other scum players. Otherwise, how would the not-so-covert message be of any use if they don’t know which of themselves is the roleblocker? Do we know or not if that is how the scum PMs were delivered? If the scum are not yet aware of role distribution amongst their faction, I can’t see a compelling reason for scum to risk attempting covert communication like that in broad Day 1 Daylight. And to come full circle in my “null tell” assessment of that statement, he could be a townie dangling that out to see if there might be a newbie scum tempted to nibble at the bait. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2009, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/253 "2009-12-07T21:34:38Z")
> [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](#): > > That would mean operating on the assumption that the scum role PMs included information as to the identities AND roles of the other scum players. Otherwise, how would the not-so-covert message be of any use if they don’t know which of themselves is the roleblocker? Do we know or not if that is how the scum PMs were delivered? > > If the scum are not yet aware of role distribution amongst their faction, I can’t see a compelling reason for scum to risk attempting covert communication like that in broad Day 1 Daylight. > > And to come full circle in my “null tell” assessment of that statement, he could be a townie dangling that out to see if there might be a newbie scum tempted to nibble at the bait. NETA: Sorry, this was in response to **Rin’s** post #239 regarding the amrussel statement (and a response to Zeriel by extension). And I see that **Guiri** and I are on the same page. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2009, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/254 "2009-12-07T21:37:53Z")
> [@Freudian\_Slit](#): > > I think people are cutting him entirely too much slack. Okay, maybe I’m making too much of that miller thing, but it just seems like all he does is kind of fire wildly at random people who might very well be innocent and everyone sticks up for him because that’s just how he plays. Whereas I don’t think I’ve been remotely aggressive or scummy and I think I’ve raised good points and people are acting like I’m behaving suspiciously. It just makes me think people are defending **peeker** for the wrong reasons is all. ok, **freud** let me lay it out for you and the rest of the town. i don’t know that anyone cuts me slack. matter of fact my shelf life is about the same as shrimp on a hot day. i am scum’s worst nightmare because i agitate. i will definitely go after anyone for what i think non town motivated reasons. in the big dog world (glad to see you there **tom** ) this is gloves off. if you are innocent then state your case. i am always reasonable. but if your good points are bringing up stuff that i never said, i am sorry, but we will have to disagree. does that make any sense **freud**? and btw, i never fire random. my wife, olin, would take away my driver. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2009, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/255 "2009-12-07T21:40:28Z")
> [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](#): > > That would mean operating on the assumption that the scum role PMs included information as to the identities AND roles of the other scum players. Otherwise, how would the not-so-covert message be of any use if they don’t know which of themselves is the roleblocker? Do we know or not if that is how the scum PMs were delivered? Devil’s advocate: the S33krit message could be “I am the roleblocker, plz bail me out if need be.” But, well, why? ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2009, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/256 "2009-12-07T21:46:46Z")
> [@Rin\_Twisted](#): > > neta= mod, I’ve got a vote out on amrussell thats not in your count. it would be best if you voted on a separate line. Mods skim ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2009, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/257 "2009-12-07T21:48:48Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > i never said anything about lynching a miller. why the heck do you keep bring up your mistake and blaming it on me? > > i don’t think anyone is being very defensive of me fgs. matter of fact let’s just assume that everyone that hasn’t fallen down your position is teamed with me as scum and are deliberately trying to make me look good and you bad. uh, there’d be a heck of a lot more than four scum at this point. > > how am i being an “ass”? i know that you mischaracterized and quoted what i said. so i am in your grill for you to say you were wrong. you were skimming and not reading for content? shoot, iv’e done the same thing in the past and when i was wrong promptly admitted it. > > sheesh. > > once upon a time there was a land where everyone played together and all the children were above intelligence and appearance. crap, i like you **freud** but your position is getting tenuous at best. > > whoo, out of my system. > > i know we need to be nice, so. > > fuck, fuck, crap, turd, penisbreath, fuck, shit, douchebag, fuck. > > all better now. and there goes my ability to read my own game from work… ---
**Author:** ![Rin\_Twisted](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/82dd89/32.png) [@Rin\_Twisted](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rin_Twisted)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2009, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/258 "2009-12-07T21:49:11Z")
Heh. Will do, boss. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2009, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/259 "2009-12-07T21:51:46Z")
**Vote Count** with about 3 days, 4 hours and 8 minutes to go 12 Votes required to start Countdown. (peak vote in Parenthesis) **1 Vote** \*\*\*amrussell \*\*(2 #218) Pedescribe (208 235) Rin Twisted (218) **Pedescribe** (1 #86) ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies (86) **Mahaloth** (1 #135) peekercpa (135) **Freduian Slit** (1 #230) Zeriel (230) \ ***Lynch Leader** **Not Voting** : Mahaloth, Nanook, Tom Scud, Drain Bead, Freudian Slit, ToeJam, USCDiver, DiggitCamara, storyteller, Ichini Sanshigo, Red Skeezix, MHaye, amrussel, GuiriEnEspaña, Mental Guy, pedescribe ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2009, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/260 "2009-12-07T21:56:46Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > Devil’s advocate: the S33krit message could be “I am the roleblocker, plz bail me out if need be.” But, well, why? A huge risk to take on Day 1 imho, but we are all clueless newbies at least once, I suppose. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729.md?page=14)