# Colorless Mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [December 2, 2009, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729 "2009-12-02T18:21:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 17
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2009, 9:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/321 "2009-12-09T09:11:39Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > Day starts now. Day is scheduled to end at 8PM CST (Chicago time) on Thursday, December 10th unless a countdown starts before Wednesday at 8PM CST. /snipped and bleached I realize this question is more suited to pre-game chat: **Mods, unless town powers, scum and the SK agree to shorten a night OR a player gets 50%+2 votes more than 24 hours before the scheduled day end, will Day always finish at 8pm CST?** Apart from **MHaye** , **amrussell** and myself, I don’t know if anyone else is in Europe. 8pm CST is 2am GMT (I think) or 3am for me in Spain. While last minute role claims are to be taken with a pinch of salt, I’d hate not to be around to unvote/vote after a fact-supported or verifiable role claim. I’d imagine it’s in scum’s best interests to leave the Day end time as it is as this reduces the number of players who can avoid a mislynch and I’ve no idea how soon we’ll have overwhelming support for a lynch… In Screamers we lynched a Doc because so few players were around when he made his full role-claim so, if possible, I’d like to suggest Day 2 starts a little earlier or later so Day can end at a more suitable time. On a separate note, I’m still looking for a place for my vote… Possibly **Pedescribe** (for a general smear on the people who’ve commented on **Peeker** ’s post style being a null-tell) but I hope to have a stronger basis for a vote. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2009, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/322 "2009-12-09T12:48:28Z")
> [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > **Mods, unless town powers, scum and the SK agree to shorten a night OR a player gets 50%+2 votes more than 24 hours before the scheduled day end, will Day always finish at 8pm CST?** 8 PM is a convenient time for me to end a Day. Here’s my situation. I am a special education teacher in a middle school (7th grade or 12-13 year old children). While, I do tend to get a chance to check the game during the day from work, at times it gets blocked. My schools district uses a site-based filter to block many inappropriate sites such as nrop and koobecaf. We also use a content based filter which scans a page for content. From time to time, the filter has blocked this and other mafia sites telling me that they may be cihpargonrop. The underlined words are spelled backwards to avoid having my own post trip the content filter at work. I know end times in most games are a problem for some players since we live on different sides of the ocean. I played in a game on FB once which had a few people in Europe, at least one from Australia, and a Jamaican who lived in Vietnam. If anyone has a better solution, I’m all ears, but I’m afraid I just won’t be able to please everyone ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2009, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/323 "2009-12-09T12:50:41Z")
**ToeJam, can you bold your votes also, to make them easier to see? Thanks.** **Vote Count** with about 1 day, 21 hours and 15 minutes to go 12 Votes required to start Countdown. (peak vote in Parenthesis) **5 Votes** \ ***Pedescribe** (5 #318) ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies (86), Tom Scud (282), Freudian Slip (288), peekercpa (308), Mental Guy (318) **2 Votes** **Freduian Slit** (2 #298) Zeriel (230), Drain Bead (298) **1 Vote** **amrussell** (2 #218) Pedescribe (208 235), Rin Twisted (218), ToeJam (272 320) **Rin Twisted** (1 #290) storyteller0910 (290) **peekercpa** (1 #307) pedescribe (307) **ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies** (1 #315) Red Skeezix (315) **0 Votes** **Mahaloth** (1 #135) peekercpa (135 308) \ ***Lynch Leader** **Not Voting** : Mahaloth, Nanook, USCDiver, DiggitCamara, Ichini Sanshigo, MHaye, amrussel, GuiriEnEspaña, ToeJam ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2009, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/324 "2009-12-09T13:41:17Z")
> [@ToeJam](#): > > Though I would like to Ask \*\*Freudian Slit \*\*a Question: > How many games of Mafia have you played? Are you inexperienced? As your worrying about the game comments, and how you were letting it get to you… truth be told- they kinda pinged me. > I don’t like feeling sympathetic towards players (see chaff and such above). > > So yeah- how many games HAVE you played on these boards or such- I didn’t think you were one of the newer players? Is this really one of your first games? I never said it was one of my first games. I’ve played about four or five games in the past. So more than some, fewer than others. I don’t always play this way, no, but I haven’t ever played with **peeker** for example, and I’ve never really been called out for, IMHO, stuff that’s fairly innocuous. Plus, coupled with a lot of off board crap I"ve been dealing with–that’s basically why I was acting as I did. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2009, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/325 "2009-12-09T17:33:31Z")
**It’s 1 day, 8.5 hours left now – I just noticed I didn’t update the time when I did the vote count this morning. Erm, carry on.** ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2009, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/326 "2009-12-09T17:42:11Z")
I’ll **vote peekercpa** Because: 1. Of the current lynch candidates he’s the one who pings my suspicion the hardest 2. His contribution to the thread is nary incomprehensible (which adds to 1) ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2009, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/327 "2009-12-09T17:55:12Z")
/Peanut Gallery /OOG I guess I can’t catch a break on getting in to a game, anywhere. \*\*Well. You guys have to wonder now, if I will over compensate the next game I do get into. \*\* HEH HEH HEH. Seriously, I have had a lot of stuff go on in my life, probably best that I am not in a game currently. – But I Would like to get into the next game possible, either here, or at Idle. And as always, Enjoy the silence, words are very unnecessary they can only do harm. - Sir “Raccoon not playing in this Mafia” Meeko. /OOG /Peanut Gallery ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Skeezix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/aca169/32.png) [@Red\_Skeezix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Skeezix)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2009, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/328 "2009-12-09T18:25:12Z")
> [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](#): > > Oh contrare. That was not the justification for my vote. That was defending a Day 1 vote based on a player making a single dubious statement. > > The justification for my vote is that **pede** (in post [#84](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11855043&postcount=84)) offered what I consider to be a baseless and false 50/50 dichotomy about the potential alignment of **Mr. Scud**. Sorry, I should have said, “A justification for the breadth and meaninglessness of the vote: Other votes have been broader and rested on less suspicion.” > [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](#): > > Further, prior to this out of the blue vote from you, aside from **pede** himself and the vote-counting mods, no one has said jack crap about my vote. My vote had nothing at all to do with any of the bickering and banter that you seem so eager to pin on me. So my vote is wrong, because no one other than pede has a problem with your vote? Also, I was not pinning the bickering and bantering on you, but the opposite. You’ve been participating but not risking anything. Town takes risks when they voice opinions and you are not taking any risks. That is what is most suspicious to me. > [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](#): > > I’m participating, speaking my mind when I have something to contribute, and I have a vote on the books. Like I implied before, perfect day 1 scum play. Nothing risked, your super early vote hasn’t even been remarked on by anyone. You come out the other side of today smelling like roses. > [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](#): > > The case against amrussel is less than compelling to me, and I’ve said so. The bickering between **peeker** and **Freudian** is noisy. I’m not wasting my time or anyone else’s by wading into little spats that get us nowhere. How exactly do they get us nowhere? Those little spats are getting both of those players votes, and encouraging more discussion. That’s not quite nowhere. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2009, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/329 "2009-12-09T18:33:08Z")
We seem to disagree on what compelling Day 1 discussion is then, **Skeezix**. Personal attacks going back and forth do not make the cut in my book. Your vote is wrong because it is wrong. But that’s ok. It is Day 1 and pretty much everyone is wrong by definition. ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2009, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/330 "2009-12-09T18:39:29Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > 8 PM is a convenient time for me to end a Day. No problem, 8PM it is then! Your nick has taken on a whole different and admirable meaning now! > [@](#): > > If anyone has a better solution, I’m all ears, but I’m afraid I just won’t be able to please everyone ☹ No-one else seems concerned so I’ll just suggest that players keep this in mind towards Day end. Back to the game (and to avoid post padding), I’ll place a tentative vote on the best case so far today: **Vote Pedescribe** For the comment re: **Tom** ’s role, the comment re: scum have no extra info from kills, the comment re “scum buddies”, the reasoning behind the 2 votes, and because this is Day 1 and the other cases seem somewhat less consistent… I hope the 2 quiet players get a chance to post before day end. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2009, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/331 "2009-12-09T19:39:11Z")
Who are the ones we haven’t heard from at all? Ichi? And…Diver? ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2009, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/332 "2009-12-09T19:48:36Z")
[Who Posted?](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/misc.php?do=whoposted&t=542249) (or you can just click on the number of posts in the main Game Room listing). Diver’s posted a few times. Ichini, I think just the signup and confirm; MHaye has only a couple posts including his confirm (which included some general advice) and a fairly substantial early post about vig’s and the difference between players offering advice and giving orders to the power roles, but nothing since people started picking up votes. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2009, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/333 "2009-12-09T19:55:35Z")
I know about that feature–I just meant like who are we considering to not have posted at all because they’ve just signed in or something. I think we should put pressure on the guys who have been silent because so far it’s been way too easy for them to get by. Pretty much everyone has gotten some heat so far just. If not talking lets you swing by with no votes or scrutiny, then that’s really unfair. Let’s start fingering them (WITH SUSPICION, you pervs) to get them out of the woodwork. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2009, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/334 "2009-12-09T20:03:06Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > In other news, and this may be a first, I’m unambiguously on **peeker** ’s side: Attempts to make the game more complex than it appears are highly scummy considering how hard the mod has pushed the idea that this is a dead simple game. > [@peekercpa](#): > > and one other metagame observation to make just to add fuel to the fire. > > what i have seen as scum is that the will tussle it up a bit early on and if they catch heat they either back of or just go silent. crap, in space we basically just told **skeezy** to be quiet after he garnered some early suspicion and let it blow over. it worked, btw. So I’m thinking, who do we have who’s gone dead silent after drawing a bit of early heat for maybe making the game seem more complicated than it is? I know he’s posted a “sorry guys I’m busy, will post later” post; but I thought **peeker** ’s initial query of **Mahaloth** was solid - the guy’s modded a couple games, he ought to know what a “colorless” roleblocker can or can’t do - and his complete silence since his reply to **peeker’s** vote worries me. **unvote pedescribe** **vote Mahaloth** ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2009, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/335 "2009-12-09T20:04:06Z")
NETA: btw, that last post crossposted with Freudian’s previous. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2009, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/336 "2009-12-09T20:11:12Z")
**Maha** did mention being busy off board, but he pretty much did withdraw after that little debacle. I think if someone is put on the spot and they just stop posting, it’s unfair. It’s like, “I’m in the hot spot, so maybe if I go silent they’ll stop focusing on me and go for the next damn fool who shoots off his head.” I don’t think **Maha** necessarily did that on purpose but it’s basically what happened. Similar effects with everyone else who just hasn’t posted. They’ve escaped scrutiny all together. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2009, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/337 "2009-12-09T20:13:02Z")
> [@Freudian\_Slit](#): > > I know about that feature–I just meant like who are we considering to not have posted at all because they’ve just signed in or something. > > I think we should put pressure on the guys who have been silent because so far it’s been way too easy for them to get by. Pretty much everyone has gotten some heat so far just. If not talking lets you swing by with no votes or scrutiny, then that’s really unfair. Let’s start fingering them (WITH SUSPICION, you pervs) to get them out of the woodwork. At a glance, **Ichini** , **MHaye** , and **Nanook** haven’t really commented on any of the player vs. player stuff yet, just a bit of strategy talk in MHaye and Nanook’s cases. It would be good if the people who haven’t yet voted could get a vote down some time tonight. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2009, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/338 "2009-12-09T20:18:17Z")
I see no need to remove **Skeez** from the scrutiny list. While I am intimately acquainted with the fact that his vote is misplaced, I certainly hope there are others of you who find it as baseless and dubious as I do. ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2009, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/339 "2009-12-09T20:21:36Z")
Evening all. I’m tryuing to do a second read this evening, after having been dragged out HARPing last night unexpectedly. However, by PC has just balked at writing a post, so I’m going to be a bit dot-and-carry for a while. I’ll probably have to compose them in OpenOffice and hope I can actually post them when I finish writing them. I’ll vote Today. I don’t know when, yet. Right at this moment I’m up to post 151. Plenty of material to digest yet. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2009, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/340 "2009-12-09T20:35:37Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > and that is just a couple posts after 156 where you state: > > **ped** ’s quote \ > > _that because the scum can narrow down the information less, they have more information. Which is ridiculous._ > > so **ped** just admit to being blatantly inconsistent or deliberately misleading. the first is just poor town play the second is much more ominous. Okay, guys, even if you thought the rest of my case was less than solid, this is scummy as hell. Here’s the full quote: > [@pedescribe](#): > > You are saying that because the scum can narrow down the information less, they have more information. Which is ridiculous. Look what peeker chopped off! LOOK AT IT! He specifically snipped it so as to mis-attribute my words. He made it look like I was talking about myself, when I was talking about him. That is a blatant lie by implication. > [@MentalGuy](#): > > peeker was warning people off of talking about things unrelated to the game, not baiting players to do so. Why do you say that he wasn’t baiting players? He asked the question, then, when someone responded to his question, he accused them of bringing it up! That’s, like, the definition of baiting. > [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > Back to the game (and to avoid post padding), I’ll place a tentative vote on the best case so far today: > > **Vote Pedescribe** Give a reason or take it off. Your laziness will hurt the town otherwise. Hey, Cookies, it’s late day 1 now, you admitted your original vote was shallowly placed–care to re-evaluate? Or are you going to take the lazy approach too? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729.md?page=16) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729.md?page=18)