# Colorless Mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [December 2, 2009, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729 "2009-12-02T18:21:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2009, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/21 "2009-12-03T18:21:23Z")
Sign Up 1. Mahaloth 2. Nanook 3. Tom Scud 4. Drain Bead 5. Freudian Slit 6. pedescribe 7. ToeJam 8. USCDiver 9. peekercpa 10. DiggitCamara 11. 12. 13. 14. 15. 16. 17. 18. 19. 20. Maximum ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2009, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/22 "2009-12-03T18:30:46Z")
What’s the tie-breaking procedure? ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2009, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/23 "2009-12-03T18:41:58Z")
Ah phewy, this is exactly the sort of game I’ve been looking for, but as you know from the off-board game, I no longer have time to play Mafia. Best of luck, though! ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2009, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/24 "2009-12-03T18:46:43Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > What’s the tie-breaking procedure? If there is a tie: 1. Whoever reached the highest number of votes at any point during the Day will be lynched. 2. If an additional tie-breaker is needed, then whoever reached the highest vote total first will be lynched. For example, if Players A and B are tied at 3 vote, but Player A had 5 votes at one point, while Player B had a maximun of 4 votes, Player A would be lynched. If both had a maximum of 5 votes, but player B reached that maximum at post 146, while Player A reached that maximum at post 298, player B would be lynched. My style post poring vote counts makes this faily easy to follow. Here is an examplefrom the recent Disney Mafia game on Giraffe boards. > [@](#): > > **Vote Count** > (with peak vote in parenthesis and post # they reached that peak) > > **10 Votes** > \ ***Charlie Tan** (10 #496) Metallic Squink (381), bufftabby (392), Almost Human (407), SisterCoyote (412), Inner Stickler (416), mlerose (418), Uthrect (420), Total Ulla (430), BillMc (436), paulwhoisaghost (496) > > **6 Votes** > \*\*Lucifer \*\*(10 #399) - Normal Phase (140), paulwhoisaghost (341 439), SisterCoyote (350 412), shaggy33 (367), BillMc (373 436), peekercpa (387), Roo (391), Guy Incognito (394), Inner Stickler (397 416), Kat (399) > > **2 Votes** > \*\*sachertorte \*\*(2 #347) Charlie Tan (269), moody mitchy (347) > \*\*Duvsie \*\*(2 #473)- Bear\_Nenno (70), Joey P (473) > > **1 Vote** > \*\*paulwhoisaghost \*\*(5 #337) Lucifer (300 491), bufftabby (316 392), sachertorte (332), BillMc (332 373), SisterCoyote (337 350) > **Bear\_Nenno** (2 #329) - Peekercpa (99 387), Zeener Diode (329) > \*\*SisterCoyote \*\*(1 #263) Uthrecht (263 420), Duvsie (472) > > **0 Votes** > \*\*Peekercpa \*\*(1 #64)- SisterCoyote (64 262) > \*\*Zeener Diode \*\*(1 #142) - Roo (142 391) > \*\*Roo \*\*(1 #162) - Paulwhoisaghost (162 341) > \*Current lynch leader > > Not voting: Fifi, Jaade, Lucifer, MiteyMouse, Flyfisheron, shamrock ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2009, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/25 "2009-12-03T18:49:49Z")
The win condition for the Serial Killer is almost impossible to fulfill. The only way they could win is [del]if comes down to either 1 Town and the SK during a Night. Or,[/del] 1 Town, 1 Scum and the SK at Night and the Scum kills the Town while the SK kills the Scum. That’s way too hard. You also haven’t defined what happens if the SK is investigated by a Cop. Edit: 1 Town and SK is a win for the Town. So It has to be a three-way 1-1-1 going into a Night with the kills going the correct way for the SK to win. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2009, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/26 "2009-12-03T19:05:10Z")
I would like to play. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2009, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/27 "2009-12-03T19:10:43Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > The win condition for the Serial Killer is almost impossible to fulfill. The only way they could win is [del]if comes down to either 1 Town and the SK during a Night. Or,[/del] 1 Town, 1 Scum and the SK at Night and the Scum kills the Town while the SK kills the Scum. That’s way too hard. Unless…they’re ALL serial killers. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2009, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/28 "2009-12-03T19:15:12Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > Edit: 1 Town and SK is a win for the Town. So It has to be a three-way 1-1-1 going into a Night with the kills going the correct way for the SK to win. Not necessarily - as I understand the rules at the moment, the SK could get an early jump on the voting, vote the Townie, and get a lynch that way. (Never mind - Town wins when all Scum are dead. Can be fixed by patching that to “All anti-Town roles” or whatever instead). ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2009, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/29 "2009-12-03T19:18:29Z")
> [@Freudian\_Slit](#): > > Unless…they’re ALL serial killers. 😃 Which I, obviously, will both deduce (provided no one posts in the wrong thread) and defeat (provided I’m not sabotaged by my team-mates). ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2009, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/30 "2009-12-03T19:20:24Z")
Hehe. > [@](#): > > Edit: 1 Town and SK is a win for the Town. Just change Town’s victory condition to removing all Scum _and_ the SK if a SK is in the game, that should take care of it. (Unless you meant 1 Town/1SK was a Town win by definition? I don’t see why that should be the case.) ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2009, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/31 "2009-12-03T19:23:05Z")
(But I would suggest tweaking the rules to prevent the sort of morning post-poaching Tom refers to, by just saying up front who wins in a 1 on 1 situation (or 2-2 or 3-3, if it’s Scum involved.)) ---
**Author:** ![Ichini\_Sanshigo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/d9b06d/32.png) [@Ichini\_Sanshigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ichini_Sanshigo)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2009, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/32 "2009-12-03T19:26:24Z")
Count me in as well. It’s been awhile. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2009, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/33 "2009-12-03T19:48:46Z")
Yes, the win conditions will need to change if I do include a Serial Killer. I’ll repost the roles with updated win conditions if necessary before the start of the game. The game is tentatively scheduled to start Monday evening (CST) with a Day start. I’m aware that this means that the Scum/Masons will not have had the chance to talk prior to the start of the game. I plan on using a 12-hour countdown timer for the lynch is a player reaches 1+(half the number of players) in votes (with a 5 day maximum for the Day). Nights will last 48 hours. Night actions can be submitted in advance. Sign Up 1. Mahaloth 2. Nanook 3. Tom Scud 4. Drain Bead 5. Freudian Slit 6. pedescribe 7. ToeJam 8. USCDiver 9. peekercpa 10. DiggitCamara 11. storyteller 12. Ichini Sanshigo 13. 14. 15. 16. 17. 18. 19. 20. Maximum ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Skeezix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/aca169/32.png) [@Red\_Skeezix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Skeezix)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2009, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/34 "2009-12-03T20:06:16Z")
Count me in. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2009, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/35 "2009-12-03T20:32:02Z")
One other wincon clarification: If it happens that nobody at all survives (for instance, the last Dusk sees a Vigilante and a Serial Killer or the last Scum heading into the Night), does that count as a Town victory, since technically all the Scum are dead? ---
**Author:** ![Hoopy\_Frood](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hoopy_frood/32/8452_2.png) [@Hoopy\_Frood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hoopy_Frood)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2009, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/36 "2009-12-03T20:38:33Z")
> [@Freudian\_Slit](#): > > Unless…they’re ALL serial killers. 😃 Yeah, but then they’ll only manage to eliminate all the town vanilla cover roles anyway… (Even though it was a bit of a one-trick game, I wonder what would happen if it was rerun with the number of serial killers being unknown ahead of time. And they still get a collective kill. Might make for an interesting setup. There actually would be town and scum and then a SK collective. Maybe something I should consider in the future.) ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2009, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/37 "2009-12-03T21:22:35Z")
Yeah, it’s that time. I’m in! ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2009, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/38 "2009-12-03T21:49:06Z")
> [@Hoopy\_Frood](#): > > Yeah, but then they’ll only manage to eliminate all the town vanilla cover roles anyway… > > (Even though it was a bit of a one-trick game, I wonder what would happen if it was rerun with the number of serial killers being unknown ahead of time. And they still get a collective kill. Might make for an interesting setup. There actually would be town and scum and then a SK collective. Maybe something I should consider in the future.) But let’s hope no one who signs up for your future game remembers this post! ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2009, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/39 "2009-12-03T21:50:27Z")
NETA: \*\* Can the Town Doctor protect him/herself?\*\* ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2009, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/40 "2009-12-03T22:19:09Z")
To heck with it. /In. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729.md?page=3)