# Colorless Mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [December 2, 2009, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729 "2009-12-02T18:21:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 21
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2009, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/401 "2009-12-10T14:36:16Z")
> [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > FWIW, I don’t think his play style has been consistent with a Townie protecting a very important power role and I’m not sure what to make of the fact the he was the first to give “advice” to the Vig (#82). Isn’t that exactly what you’re NOT supposed to do? That read to me like a breadcrumb so we’d have an insight into which kills were his once he was confirmed by death later. > [@peekercpa](#): > > lynch **ped** , he is not the vig. Didn’t we just discuss this being the exact WRONG thing to do? I’m not comfortable with lynching either of them. I wouldn’t be surprised to find out one was the SK and the other was the Vigilante–and therefore I think they can sort each other out. My vote stays on **Freudian**. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2009, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/402 "2009-12-10T14:39:15Z")
I’m worrying myself about the fringe possibilities like “ **pedescribe** is scum, **peekercpa** is SK”. Both of those guys play randomly enough that I wouldn’t put it past either of 'em. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2009, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/403 "2009-12-10T14:43:59Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > I see no reason why a scum **peeker** would make such a claim. Thinking a bit further, I guess if **Freudian** was a strong scum role he might do it, but even then the math is pretty bad. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2009, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/404 "2009-12-10T14:45:04Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > I’m worrying myself about the fringe possibilities like “ **pedescribe** is scum, **peekercpa** is SK”. Both of those guys play randomly enough that I wouldn’t put it past either of 'em. In which case, the REAL vig would still be able to take **peeker** out (eventually, though he might hit a doc block the first night or 2). ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2009, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/405 "2009-12-10T14:47:24Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > Didn’t we just discuss this being the exact WRONG thing to do? Peeker’s position was that the Vig _should_ claim. His action is entirely consistent with his stated position. Other people disagreed, but I don’t remember Peeker saying he was convinced by their arguments. I tend to agree that the Vig _should_ remain hidden, but there are arguments in favour of the counterclaim. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2009, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/406 "2009-12-10T14:48:42Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > Anyway, Tom, you did read my response to peeker regarding my question about role blockers. I was just asking because of the Wild West game. Yeah, but I didn’t buy it 100% - after all, several of the Town players were QQing in the spoiled thread about how Gastardly a roleblock-immune Godfather was. I let it slide at the time because I figured I’d get more of a read from you from the rest of the day’s posts. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2009, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/407 "2009-12-10T15:11:59Z")
> [@USCDiver](#): > > Can you point me towards an open setup game where most of the role claims were lying? I’m not a mathematician and I don’t have hard numbers. But I just know that half the time we end up lynching vanilla town in the beginning. It just seems spectacularly unlikely to me that we just so happened to pick an important town role. Not even like a role blocker–a cool, sexy killing role, like the vig! Just WAY too convenient. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2009, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/408 "2009-12-10T15:14:24Z")
what **mhaye** said. i think that a one for one is always in town’s best interest. **ped** very well could be lying and be a vt or a town power role. but if he is the false claim would be so anti town as to justify his removal anyways. i mean he either gets a counterclaim or he gets targeted. either play is way bad. i think he claimed this to save his butt hoping that he would get investigated and show up town. then when i, the real vig, showed up he would just call b.s. and potentially have the dick confirm that he is town. shoot, enough confusion to not only potentially get a mislynch but also unearth the detective. i am going to eliminate that nonsense. also, the odds of glomming onto another scum or the sk toDay is slim. i know that certain folks say let the other powers hammer it out at Night. that means that most likely we will lynch a townie which is not ideal or glom onto a power role resulting in a claim which is worse. and i agree with **mhaye**. he could very well be the sk, but i also wouldn’t be surprised if he is gf. matter of fact his play suggests the latter. try to draw attention and get an investigation which confuses all sorts of stuff. problem is he got too far down the bunny hole and had to come up with a false claim hoping that the real vig wouldn’g counter claim (as appears to be recommended). i mean at least that way he gets a 1 in 15 chance of a block saving his ass as opposed to a zero chance toNight if he is already dead. ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Skeezix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/aca169/32.png) [@Red\_Skeezix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Skeezix)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2009, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/409 "2009-12-10T15:20:59Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > \ > > \ > > these two posts bother me. in the first one **skeez** seems to really be stretching for a reason for his vote. also, why so sure that what is going on is town on town disagreement or “gutting”. that sure smacks of knowing something. > > also, in the second post he kind of zings **ped** but not enough to justify a vote but merely reiterates his suspicion of **cookies**. sure smells like a nice way to establish some cred without actually pushing a teamie closer to lynch. Thanks for the smudge. I gave my reasons for my vote on Cookies. It may seem to you as a stretch, but to me it makes perfect sense, and seems a lot more solid that your previous insistence that pedescribe be lynched over some trivial point of strategy. I pointed out what I saw as a glaring inconsistency in pedescribe’s post. I made the comment about Cookies, because she had made a post before that people should not take me off their scrutiny lists. Your counter-claim reeks btw. What exactly is the point of it? If you are really the vig, why break cover for no reason? Why are you protecting Freudian? Was that so-called trap a little day 1 bussing? For now, my vote stays where it is. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2009, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/410 "2009-12-10T15:23:10Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > and i agree with **mhaye**. he could very well be the sk, but i also wouldn’t be surprised if he is gf. matter of fact his play suggests the latter. try to draw attention and get an investigation which confuses all sorts of stuff. problem is he got too far down the bunny hole and had to come up with a false claim hoping that the real vig wouldn’g counter claim (as appears to be recommended). i mean at least that way he gets a 1 in 15 chance of a block saving his ass as opposed to a zero chance toNight if he is already dead. And this way at least he gets you out in the open where the roleblocker can block you. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2009, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/411 "2009-12-10T15:35:39Z")
The only good thing is that this isn’t going to be nearly as bad a clusterfuck as it could be–unless one of **pedescribe** or **peeker** are a lying townie, we’re going to nail at least one-two scum or the SK here. > [@Freudian\_Slit](#): > > I’m not a mathematician and I don’t have hard numbers. But I just know that half the time we end up lynching vanilla town in the beginning. It just seems spectacularly unlikely to me that we just so happened to pick an important town role. Not even like a role blocker–a cool, sexy killing role, like the vig! Just WAY too convenient. The roleblocker is WAY more potent than the vig, IMHO–I’ve seen too many vigs single-handedly destroy town by being wrong all the time. It’s really statistically likely we’ll hit a townie on day one unless scum screws up. It’s not even close to unheard of that a town power role gets big in their (invisible to us) britches and gets tagged on day one. Frankly I suspect that you’re bussing–not that we know if scum know who scum are yet. Heck, you were even the third vote. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2009, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/412 "2009-12-10T15:38:17Z")
More inclined to believe **peeker** than **pede** at this juncture, for better or worse. **Unvote Ichini** **Vote pede** This does not mean that I necessarily trust **peeker** , or will be trusting him even if **pede** flips as scum. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2009, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/413 "2009-12-10T15:41:25Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > 1. Please participate. I will not discuss anyone who is not participating. More than likely, I’ll attempt to get subs until we are into the 2nd Day. After that, I’m likely to do nothing. So okay, Ed won’t comment on **Ichini** , but I hope he’ll start looking for a sub pretty soon. ---
**Author:** ![Stanislaus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stanislaus/32/3391_2.png) [@Stanislaus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stanislaus)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2009, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/414 "2009-12-10T15:43:17Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > not that we know if scum know who scum are yet. From [post 67](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11854684&postcount=67): > [@ed](#): > > Alpha Scum: > Win Condition: You win when the number of living Scum players is equal to or greater than the number of living players and the SK is dead. > Power: Your power is passive. If investigated by the Town Cop, you will be revealed as being Town. Your power cannot be blocked by a roleblocker. If selected by the Scum, you may perform the Scum Night Kill that Night. > Scum Communication: Each Night, you may discuss the game with the other Scum players at XXXXXXXXXXXX. Please register for the site. The password is zzzzzzzz. **The other Scum are YYYYYYYYYYYY** > > Scum Goon: 2 in the Game > Win Condition: You win when the number of living Scum players is equal to or greater than the number of living players and the SK is dead. > Power: If selected by the Scum, you may perform the Scum Night Kill that Night. > Scum Communication:Each Night, you may discuss the game with the other Scum players at XXXXXXXXXXXX. Please register for the site. The password is zzzzzzzz. **The other Scum are YYYYYYYYYYYY** > > Scum Roleblocker: > Win Condition: You win when the number of living Scum players is equal to or greater than the number of living players and the SK is dead. > Power: Each Night, you may PM us the name of one player. That player will be prevented from performing any actions for that Night. If selected by the Scum, you may perform the Scum Night Kill that Night, but you may not do that and use your roleblocking power on the same Night. > Scum Communication:Each Night, you may discuss the game with the other Scum players at XXXXXXXXXXXX. Please register for the site. The password is zzzzzzzz. **The other Scum are YYYYYYYYYYYY.** All the scum know who the scum are. If pede does flip scum, that may prove interesting. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2009, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/415 "2009-12-10T15:43:18Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > Frankly I suspect that you’re bussing–not that we know if scum know who scum are yet. Actually, we do know that scum know who each other are. Your homework is to go read #67 again. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2009, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/416 "2009-12-10T15:44:18Z")
NETA. Dammit, should have previewed. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2009, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/417 "2009-12-10T15:46:57Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > The only good thing is that this isn’t going to be nearly as bad a clusterfuck as it could be–unless one of **pedescribe** or **peeker** are a lying townie, we’re going to nail at least one-two scum or the SK here. > > The roleblocker is WAY more potent than the vig, IMHO–I’ve seen too many vigs single-handedly destroy town by being wrong all the time. > > It’s really statistically likely we’ll hit a townie on day one unless scum screws up. It’s not even close to unheard of that a town power role gets big in their (invisible to us) britches and gets tagged on day one. Frankly I suspect that you’re bussing–not that we know if scum know who scum are yet. > > Heck, you were even the third vote. 😛 We COULD get a power role, I’m just saying the likelihood that the person who’s on the chopping role being that power role? Seems like BS to me, frankly. Bussing–I dont’ know that term, explain? ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Skeezix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/aca169/32.png) [@Red\_Skeezix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Skeezix)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2009, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/418 "2009-12-10T15:48:32Z")
> [@Freudian\_Slit](#): > > Bussing–I dont’ know that term, explain? When scum attacks other scum to gain credit with town. Comes from to be thrown under a bus. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2009, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/419 "2009-12-10T15:48:45Z")
> [@Freudian\_Slit](#): > > Bussing–I dont’ know that term, explain? Short for “Throwing x under the bus”; a scum voting to lynch another scum in order to convince people that he/she is Town. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2009, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/420 "2009-12-10T16:05:03Z")
**Vote Count** with about 9 hours and 55 minutes to go (peak vote in Parentheses) **11 Votes** \ ***Pedescribe** (11 #412) ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies (86 384 412), Tom Scud (282 334 393), Freudian Slit (288), peekercpa (308), Mental Guy (318 377), GuiriEnEspaña (330 385), Mahaloth (370), amrussell (394), Drain Bead (395), Mental Guy (396), USCDiver (398), Guiri (399), MHaye (400) **2 Votes** **Freudian Slit** (4 #386) Zeriel (230), Drain Bead (298 395), Red Skeezix (378), USCDiver (386 398) **peekercpa** (2 #326) pedescribe (307), DiggitCamara (326) **Rin Twisted** (2 #358) storyteller0910 (290) ToeJam (358) **1 Vote** **amrussell** (2 #218) Pedescribe (208 235), Rin Twisted (218), ToeJam (272 320) **0 Votes** **ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies** (1 #315) Red Skeezix (315 378) **Mahaloth** (1 #135) peekercpa (135 308) Tom Scud (334 393) **Ichini Sanshigo** (1 #384) ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies (384 412) \ ***Lynch Leader** **Not Voting** : Nanook, Ichini Sanshigo [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729.md?page=20) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729.md?page=22)