# Colorless Mafia

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729>\
**Category:** The Game Room\
**Created:** [December 2, 2009, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729 "2009-12-02T18:21:59Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\
**Post date:** [December 11, 2009, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/441 "2009-12-11T00:05:04Z")

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> [@peekercpa](#):
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> these two posts bother me. in the first one **skeez** seems to really be stretching for a reason for his vote. also, why so sure that what is going on is town on town disagreement or “gutting”. that sure smacks of knowing something.
> 
> also, in the second post he kind of zings **ped** but not enough to justify a vote but merely reiterates his suspicion of **cookies**. sure smells like a nice way to establish some cred without actually pushing a teamie closer to lynch.

You know that the second part of your case totally falls apart if pede does flip SK, right? (And why in the world would **pede** say that if he wasn’t?)

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**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\
**Post date:** [December 11, 2009, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/442 "2009-12-11T00:11:23Z")

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> [@Tom\_Scud](#):
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> You know that the second part of your case totally falls apart if pede does flip SK, right? (And why in the world would **pede** say that if he wasn’t?)

and **tom** you are correct. that’s why i caveated my suspicion of you.

let’s see. if sk, yips. if not, then whoopee.

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**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\
**Post date:** [December 11, 2009, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/443 "2009-12-11T00:13:19Z")

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and i had hoped for scum, but if not, meh.

we got a bad guy out of the way which opens up a lot of stuff. i’d like the walk off but will take the single.

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**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\
**Post date:** [December 11, 2009, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/444 "2009-12-11T00:18:55Z")

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and now i get to play the way i like to. i get confirmed and get to start fucking with our scum participants. they almost have to try to kill me toNight. but let us see what happens. no strategy in a couple, i just wanted to get it out there. we just only have to worry about a gf and this should be walk home.

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**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\
**Post date:** [December 11, 2009, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/445 "2009-12-11T00:29:01Z")

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> [@peekercpa](#):
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> wtf should i do tonight.
> 
> i’d dearly love to hear some input.
> 
> i’m thinking killing a lurker, would that be the best play?

Here is my advice, for what it’s worth.

Don’t kill a lurker. Not on Night 1.

Firstly, by “lurker” we all to often mean “someone who is not participating.” I don’t consider such people to be lurker. Either their absence is due to a sudden-but-short complication, or the Mod needs to sub them out and get an active player. In either case, we can hope to see more activity from a player on Day 2.

Secondly, what do we learn by picking someone out for nonGame reasons?

I’ve been in at least one game where I deduced the identity of the Godfather by a process of elimination - I listed all the players and crossed out all those who had convinced me it wasn’t them. The only person left was the person deliberately posting low volumes. So we lynched him - and lost, because we needed to take out the SK first.

If the Mod has said they will deal with nonparticipating players, then let them do so.

That’s my advice. Take it or leave it.

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**Author:** ![Red\_Skeezix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/aca169/32.png) [@Red\_Skeezix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Skeezix)\
**Post date:** [December 11, 2009, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/446 "2009-12-11T00:44:52Z")

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> [@peekercpa](#):
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> uh, and just one other question for the crowd.
> 
> wtf should i do tonight.
> 
> i’d dearly love to hear some input.
> 
> i’m thinking killing a lurker, would that be the best play?
> 
> or do is shoot away based on my suspicions or in the dark?
> 
> wow, what to do?
> 
> seriously, i’d like some input.
> 
> before i just go down the 'ol peek path.

Assuming pede actually rolls over SK. If he’s scum I’d be looking closely at how other people played WRT him.

I say go with your suspicions. (Even if that includes me). Just don’t telegraph what you’re going to do. I say take the advice, and don’t comment too much on it. Letting scum know how your making your decisions, or who you decide to kill means that your kill can be gamed.

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**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\
**Post date:** [December 11, 2009, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/447 "2009-12-11T00:48:31Z")

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Well, with the Scum Roleblocker probably still out there (taking **pedescribe** at his word, since there’s no point in him lying about being the SK now), it may not matter, but follow your best judgment. It’s done well for you so far. Generally when everyone tells you what to do, it doesn’t turn out well, because a portion of the people telling you what to do are untrustworthy anyway. Trust yourself and nobody else.

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**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\
**Post date:** [December 11, 2009, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/448 "2009-12-11T00:50:19Z")

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Oops, missed the page 12 on refresh. My last post was meant for **peeker**.

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**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\
**Post date:** [December 11, 2009, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/449 "2009-12-11T01:06:35Z")

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> [@Drain\_Bead](#):
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> Oops, missed the page 12 on refresh. My last post was meant for **peeker**.

huh?

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**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\
**Post date:** [December 11, 2009, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/450 "2009-12-11T01:07:32Z")

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I got back to my computer, refreshed the page I was on to see the new posts, and missed the fact that we had a page 12 until my first post there showed up at the bottom of it. 😉

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**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\
**Post date:** [December 11, 2009, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/451 "2009-12-11T01:33:30Z")

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> [@peekercpa](#):
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> and even though i am typically averse to telling power roles how the heck to play.
> 
> doc protect my ass. you know now that i am the town vig. unless you feel that you have outed yourself and need to self protect, which i would understand. let our dick get some time looking at folks and let me get rid of **inchini**. if **ped** is what he says he is then if i am protected they have to shoot in the dark. which will be information in and of itself (up yours ped).

If **pedescribe** flips scum and not SK, this is essentially you telling the doc to protect you from the actual vig. Grant that you’d have to be insane or really bad at math to try to pull it off, but since you’re at least one of those two (;)) it’s a possibility.

> [@](#):
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> and for the **cookies** of the world that still doubt me just go read, fgs. i suck at false claims. get lynched every fracking time. so i can still fuck up and be me but anyone who harbors any doubt about me being the town vig needs to die immediately. or at least in the order in which the doubt is expressed. so we’ve got one bad dude down and one confirmed townie. pretty good start my friends.

I will take your suggestion that I be killed for pointing out that this might be a too-clever gambit under advisement. Nothing’s proven until death reveal (even cop results, until we nail the Godfather).

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**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\
**Post date:** [December 11, 2009, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/452 "2009-12-11T01:39:03Z")

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> [@Zeriel](#):
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> If **pedescribe** flips scum and not SK, this is essentially you telling the doc to protect you from the actual vig. Grant that you’d have to be insane or really bad at math to try to pull it off, but since you’re at least one of those two (;)) it’s a possibility.
> 
> I will take your suggestion that I be killed for pointing out that this might be a too-clever gambit under advisement. Nothing’s proven until death reveal (even cop results, until we nail the Godfather).

shit if **ped** flips scum then you would be wrong. he claimed vig. the only person that would know that he is not the vig would be the vig. either way, i am the vig. shit dude, what up. so yeh, you might need to move to the top of the list for being so a anti town and blinded.

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**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\
**Post date:** [December 11, 2009, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/453 "2009-12-11T01:51:13Z")

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so z if it’s just personal go ahead and say it. i’m a big boy.

**zeriel** : _i know that all the evidence points one way but because of personal reasons i will refuse to accept the evidence._

i mean it’s one way to play the game i suppose.

the above is a hypothetical and only mean to reflect my opinion of the current game state. z has not said that specifically. no animals were harmed in the formation of this opinion.

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**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\
**Post date:** [December 11, 2009, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/454 "2009-12-11T01:59:51Z")

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**Pedescribe, a Serial Killer** , is dead.

\*\*Night begins now. It will end in 48 hours on Saturday at 8PM CST (Chicago time).  
\*\*

**FLUFF ONLY. NO STRATEGY TALK**  
Scum thread is open.

Doctor, Cop, Vigilante, and Roleblocker, please PM your Night Actions to Special Ed and Normal Phase.

**Living Players**

1. Mahaloth
2. Nanook
3. Tom Scud
4. Drain Bead
5. Freudian Slit
6. ToeJam
7. USCDiver
8. peekercpa
9. DiggitCamara
10. storyteller
11. Ichini Sanshigo
12. Red Skeezix
13. Zeriel
14. MHaye
15. amrussel
16. Rin Twisted
17. GuiriEnEspaña
18. Mental Guy
19. ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies

**Dead Players**  
**Pedescribe, Serial Killer (Lynched Day 1)**

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**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\
**Post date:** [December 11, 2009, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/455 "2009-12-11T02:03:59Z")

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Right. Go Town. And because it really annoys me when people use the wrong genders (especially when the people getting things wrong are me), my best guess at genders:

1. Mahaloth - Male
2. Nanook - Male (??)
3. Tom Scud - My wife says Male
4. Drain Bead - Female
5. Freudian Slit - Female
6. ToeJam - ???
7. USCDiver - Male
8. peekercpa - Male
9. DiggitCamara - Male (??)
10. storyteller - Male
11. Ichini Sanshigo - ???
12. Red Skeezix - ???
13. Zeriel - Male
14. MHaye - Male (??)
15. amrussel - Female
16. Rin Twisted - Female
17. GuiriEnEspaña - Male
18. Mental Guy - Male
19. ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies - Female

And Pedescribe is a guy too. So is Ed. But Normal is a GURL.

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**Author:** ![Red\_Skeezix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/aca169/32.png) [@Red\_Skeezix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Skeezix)\
**Post date:** [December 11, 2009, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/456 "2009-12-11T02:11:36Z")

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Red Skeezix = Male.

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**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\
**Post date:** [December 11, 2009, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/457 "2009-12-11T02:15:01Z")

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This is helpful, Tom. I am classic at screwing up gender-neutral names, which is funny since I have one and I’m female.

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**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\
**Post date:** [December 11, 2009, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/458 "2009-12-11T02:15:08Z")

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> [@Red\_Skeezix](#):
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> Red Skeezix = Male.

not when it comes to poker. hee hee.

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**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\
**Post date:** [December 11, 2009, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/459 "2009-12-11T02:18:44Z")

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If everyone chimes in, I can post the player list in pink and blue if that makes it easier.

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**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\
**Post date:** [December 11, 2009, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/460 "2009-12-11T02:19:42Z")

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> [@special\_ed](#):
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> If everyone chimes in, I can post the player list in pink and blue if that makes it easier.

That’d be really cute, and sweet.

So, I’ll tend bar. Who’s drinking?

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