# Colorless Mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [December 2, 2009, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729 "2009-12-02T18:21:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 31
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2009, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/601 "2009-12-15T22:01:02Z")
\*\*Additionally, Meeko is the final sub for this game. Any non-participation from this point on will not be dealt with by the moderators.\*\* ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2009, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/602 "2009-12-15T22:09:45Z")
> [@Red\_Skeezix](#): > > We are not solely focusing on strategy, if we were there wouldn’t be as many votes cast as there are. Agreed. I only was voicing my discontent at analysis that might optimize Scum’s strategy. > [@Red\_Skeezix](#): > > But it wasn’t waiting until he has more information, it was waiting till the cop claims and can provide him with actual targets, targets which can be just as easily lynched. I say if the vig feels confident enough to make the kill, then do so, for two reasons: > > 1. It’s more information to town, not just about the alignment of the deceased, but also an insight into the motivation of the deceased. If a town player gets NK’d by the vig, then they are confirmed and their statements can be examined with out the overhead of looking for scum motivation behind the statements. (This is another reason why I feel it is important for town to avoid lying whenever possible and never lying about suspicions.) > > 2. The vig might hit scum, which is good. Not quite. The Cop might never claim ((s)he could be Night Killed). And when/if (s)he claims (s)he might not even have found out a single Scum. Even so, it would narrow the pool for the Vig. Point 1, btw, applies even to Scum Night Kills. I’m in favor of slowing down the pace of Deaths for the first couple of Days, because it helps us gather information, and keeps the Scum’s win condition farther off. > [@Red\_Skeezix](#): > > Your analysis is flawed (16 players tonight because of lynch and assuming that the town blocker isn’t going to block a claimed vig): The random probability(which is a base, but not the actual based on the comments of the players during the day) of the town blocker doing no harm or at least fouling scum plans is 7/8 compared to the probability of 1/8 that they hit the town doc, or town cop. Yet you don’t take any of this into account when you argue that the roleblocker shouldn’t act tonight. Your analysis seems just about right. I may very well have been mistaken about my assessment of the risks the Roleblocker incurs. Still, I think it should be up to the Roleblocker to decide what (s)he does toNight. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2009, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/603 "2009-12-15T22:53:02Z")
> [@Red\_Skeezix](#): > > I hadn’t really been looking at you closely, you seemed to be under my radar. But this last post is scummy as hell. > > **unvote Freudian** [COLOR] (Although I still heavily suspect her) > **[COLOR=“Blue”]vote DiggitCamara[COLOR]** \ ok, this post confuses the ever living fuck out of me. i was really beginning to think without a doubt that **skeez** was scum. he’s got a safe vote on a majority candidate and then moves it to a freaking one off vote. what’s the gd point? seriously, if he is scum a **freud** bus makes sense. i mean it looks like she will swing and the vote is already down. so why move and one off which he should know that is going to catch a ration of shit from at least me. because **dc** was going to be my second choice for today behind **skeezy**. pretty much for the reasons he stated but primarily for the chickenshit Day one vote on me. and i’ve played with **dc** before so he should know as well or better than the rest of you folks that i am can be a heck of lot more obtuse than i have in this game. this certainly does not exonerate **skeez** or **freud** but sure makes this an easy choice **[color=red]unvote skeez** **vote digit** ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2009, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/604 "2009-12-15T23:01:46Z")
**Vote Count** with about 2 days, 2 hours, and 58 minutes 11 Votes required to start countdown. (peak vote in parentheses) **6 Votes** \ ***Freudian Slit** (7 #584) Zeriel (512), Red Skeezix (536 593), Drain Bead (545), Tom Scud (561), GuiriEnEspaña (568), USCDiver (582), Mental Guy (584) **2 Votes** **Meeko** (2 #540) Tom Scud (534 561), storyteller0910 (540). Mahaloth (571) **DiggitCamara** (2 #603) Red Skeezix (593), peekercpa (603) **1 Vote** **Red Skeezix** (2 #590) peekercpa (526 603), Alka Seltzer (590) **0 Votes** **Mental Guy** (1 #522) Alka Seltzer (522 590) **Zeriel** **Drain Bead** **Tom Scud** **Alka Seltzer** **peekercpa** **Mahaloth** **Nanook of the North Shore** **ToeJam** **USCDiver** **MHaye** **GuiriEnEspaña** **storyteller0910** **ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies** _Lynch Leader \*\* Not voting:_\* Nanook of the North Shore, Freudian Slit, ToeJam, DiggitCamara, MHaye, Meeko, ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2009, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/605 "2009-12-15T23:09:50Z")
> [@DiggitCamara](#): > > Re: my comment about the discussion of Scum strategy: > > The reason I posted that comment was that it seems to me we’re trying too hard to guess what scum will be doing about **peeker** and while doing so, we might easily give them ideas about him. > > It’s not an accusation against anyone, just something that might damage us if we keep doing it. > Re: my comments about the vig’s Night actions: > > I have seen, far too often, Vig’s killing Town left and right because they have no real informed decisions. Our strength is in numbers, not in information. So: less dead players during the first couple of Nights helps us. Which is why I advocate in-action by our Vig until he has more information. > > Re: my comments about the Roleblocker’s Night actions: > > Arguably the weakest one. The greatest harm (s)he could do would be to block one of the Town’s power roles (Doc or Detective). The greatest good the Roleblocker could do would be to stop one of the Scum’s power roles (Goon or Roleblocker). Stopping the Scum Roleblocker… well, unless he’s targetting a Town Power role, it doesn’t help anyone. And it would not even be perceived. Stopping the Goon would help (by having less deaths during the Night). > > The potential Net Gain is negative (Two Negative options against a Positive one). At least until we have more information. no no no no no. i think the strategy discussion is fascinating. shit i might listen to a, b or c or just do whatever the hell i feel like. wifom for scum is good for town. so i tend to agree with b in the thread and b is scum so scum don’t do shit and i kill b. or i argue with c in the thread and scum know they are scum so they block. or i argue with c in the thread and c is town so scum doesn’t do shit and i kill d. i actually think the way people propose strategy can be enlightening. also it’s better than sitting around and circle jerking. regarding vig Night actions early. actually i think the percentage is to go for it early and wait late. i mean seriously, do you folks want me making a decision when it’s one of 17 and a misfire doesn’t mean as much or when its one of 3 and i could hand the game to scum with a misfire. fuck i am betting on the dealer in that case. so, you guys do what you want. i would strongly suggest that the doc protect my ass and the town rb sit on their hands toNight. oh, and scum rb you could do us all a favor by sitting on your hands or shooting in the dark. see, one thing town has on their side is town. unless scum manage to lynch or kill the dick we’ve got two data points for sure tomorrow. ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2009, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/606 "2009-12-15T23:48:54Z")
DiggitCamara In post [post=11890538]592[/post], Diggit asks us to stop analysing the situation, so we don’t help Scum out. It’s a good maxim in these games that the Scum, collectively, have a better idea of the game status than the Townies, individually. The primary reason for this is that a Townie’s developing ideas can’t be bounced off someone else for quality checking, whereas the Scum can do just that. So stifling discussion of strategy helps the Scum more than it helps the Town. Then in post [post=11891463]595[/post], we have this. > [@DiggitCamara](#): > > Re: my comments about the vig’s Night actions: > > I have seen, far too often, Vig’s killing Town left and right because they have no real informed decisions. **Our strength is in numbers, not in information.** So: less dead players during the first couple of Nights helps us. Which is why I advocate in-action by our Vig until he has more information. (Bolding mine) Our strength may be in numbers, but our _ **need** _ is information. We have a significant oversupply of numbers, and a massive information deficit. So why not trade what we have a surplus of for what we have a shortage of? In the early game, an extra death or two will not cause us to lose. In the late game, it might. If, for example, we go into a Night with 10 players remaining, and have not reduced the Scum numbers at all, we risk losing if the Vig kills the wrong person (a 55½% chance, approximately). That’s two pointers, very close together. I may not be in the clearest state of mind, but still, that’s enough. **Vote DiggitCamara**. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2009, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/607 "2009-12-15T23:57:39Z")
Oh yeah, I remember this Mafia thing. It’s a game I used to play, I think. \*\* I’m here, I’m In. \*\* Give me a few seconds to catch up. This should go realtively quick, as well, I haven’t been spamming the game. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2009, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/608 "2009-12-16T00:02:00Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > Oh yeah, I remember this Mafia thing. It’s a game I used to play, I think. > \*\* > I’m here, I’m In. \*\* > > Give me a few seconds to catch up. > > This should go realtively quick, as well, I haven’t been spamming the game. Hi, Meeko! ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2009, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/609 "2009-12-16T00:23:30Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > If anyone posts more than 750 times in this thread, I’m going to lock them in a cell with Meeko for a week. :smack: > > :eek: > > 😃 > > hehe j/k \*\* Hey! \*\* I promise this game wont end up being 10% of total post count… that was… Frankly a wake up call for me. Besides, it wasn’t over 500… What game was that anyway, Crimson Glyph? LOST? ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2009, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/610 "2009-12-16T00:26:03Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > \*\* > Hey! \*\* > > I promise this game wont end up being 10% of total post count… that was… Frankly a wake up call for me. > > Besides, it wasn’t over 500… > What game was that anyway, Crimson Glyph? LOST? [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/misc.php?do=whoposted&t=515347](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/misc.php?do=whoposted&t=515347) Crimson Glyph had me at 579. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2009, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/611 "2009-12-16T01:19:53Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > > [@special\_ed](#): > > > > If anyone posts more than 750 times in this thread, I’m going to lock them in a cell with Meeko for a week. :smack: > > > > :eek: > > > > 😃 > > > > hehe j/k > > \*\* > Hey! \*\* I guess if you do it, it’ll be solitary confinement, eh? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2009, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/612 "2009-12-16T01:24:24Z")
Oh, hey, Meeko. Glad to see you can join us. I hate when people get subbed out half-way through the day. My vote looks like it’s targeting the new guy, now. ☹ Anyway, I guess I’m keeping my vote on Rintwisted for now anyway. Still tops my suspect list even if Meeko has inherited the role. Seriously, though, welcome, Meeko. Glad to have you back in the game. We need to get a “haggle” game going sometime. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2009, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/613 "2009-12-16T01:49:25Z")
Ok, I think I am caught up. \*\* What time is it in game currently? Current vote count please. \*\* ---
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2009, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/614 "2009-12-16T01:50:27Z")
Hey **Meeko**! Welcome to the game. This one should be a good straightforward open set-up game to get you back in the swing of things. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2009, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/615 "2009-12-16T01:56:15Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > Ok, I think I am caught up. > > \*\* > What time is it in game currently? > > Current vote count please. \*\* There was a vote count about 3 hours ago and only 1 vote since then. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2009, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/616 "2009-12-16T02:00:09Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > There was a vote count about 3 hours ago and only 1 vote since then. And right at 2 Days left in “Day” on Day 2 ? ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2009, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/617 "2009-12-16T02:02:05Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > And right at 2 Days left in “Day” on Day 2 ? to the very minute of your post, yes ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2009, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/618 "2009-12-16T02:45:47Z")
**Mhaye** : I don’t follow through on your vote for Diggit. Can you explain how you get from point A, Diggit’s opinion on play, to B, voting for him? I mean, if someone offers an opinion on play, shouldn’t you ask for clarification before going directly to vote, and collecting $200 ? I’m still a noob in comparison here, this makes my fourth or fifth game. I’ve offered up ideas that were out there, done things that were incredibly stupid [I wouldn’t be Meeko if I didn’t] and I’ve come to realize that they were wrong only by experience. I don’t know Diggits record, and I’m willing to guess he is more noob than me. I just feel your speed is out of synch here, Mhaye. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2009, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/619 "2009-12-16T03:06:10Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > Ok, I think I am caught up. > > \*\* > What time is it in game currently? > > Current vote count please. \*\* ok, bs. if you read you know. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2009, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/620 "2009-12-16T03:08:15Z")
Meeko, make sure you read the setup. This game is open, so the rules and roles are all clearly laid out. No gasterd sneeky stuff is in the game, so we have a lot of info. compared to some other games. Make sure you really review the first pages extra-carefully. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729.md?page=30) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729.md?page=32)