# Colorless Mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [December 2, 2009, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729 "2009-12-02T18:21:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 33
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2009, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/641 "2009-12-16T21:09:01Z")
**Vote Diggit** Let’s hear a claim already. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2009, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/642 "2009-12-16T21:10:01Z")
**Vote Diggit** ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2009, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/643 "2009-12-16T22:26:21Z")
> [@Red\_Skeezix](#): > > Meeko, you criticize MHaye for voting w/o first asking for an explanation. But you vote me in the same manner, why the inconsistency there? The difference is motive of the player being voted on. That is, I suspect you more than I suspect Diggit, and I frankly think that I suspect you more than Mhaye suspects Diggit. My point is simply that I think Peeker is 100% correct with his play on counterclaiming pedescribe’s claim. We can both entertain hypotheticals on what Peeker should have done. However, given the result, I don’t think any other course of action could have been more pro town. Peeker put it best when he explained his rationale in part with:: - i think he claimed this to save his butt hoping that he would get investigated and show up town. then when i, the real vig, showed up he would just call b.s. and potentially have the dick confirm that he is town. shoot, enough confusion to not only potentially get a mislynch but also unearth the detective.\* As per your post 531, you still cling to a anti town stance, even after Peeker’s gamble paid off. I didn’t like Mhaye’s case, or his reasons, or his explanation [or seeming lack of one] to vote against Diggit. Diggit’s questions reminded me of moves I made in the past. I can see those moves as being innocent and harmless. You remain anti-town, and I believe that, that warrants a vote. Based on 531 It would appear to me that your explanation will be more of the same, telling me that Peeker was wrong. I would like to think that my argument for my vote on you was enough, but you do bring up a valid point. You seem to want to say something, and I am bit ahead of myself for not asking you. I can not move off voting for you yet. I will listen to what you feel you need to say, however. ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Skeezix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/aca169/32.png) [@Red\_Skeezix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Skeezix)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2009, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/644 "2009-12-16T22:48:53Z")
Meeko, you have not yet explained how my opinion about peeker’s counterclaim is anti-town, or pro-scum, or anything beyond a difference of opinion. Please feel free to do so. That last post was you essentially repeating yourself from your vote post. Secondly, I have nothing pressing to say, just to point out that you are being blatantly hypocritical. It appears that you believe that when you do something that you have criticized, the same criticism is not applicable to you and that your suspicion is paramount to consistent play. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2009, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/645 "2009-12-16T23:00:48Z")
> [@Red\_Skeezix](#): > > Secondly, I have nothing pressing to say Snipped. I believe we are done here. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2009, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/646 "2009-12-16T23:16:07Z")
**Vote Count** with about 1 day, 2 hours, and 45 minutes 11 Votes required to start countdown. (peak vote in parentheses) **6 Votes** \ ***DiggitCamara** (6 #642) Red Skeezix (593), peekercpa (603), MHaye (606), Tom Scud (633), Freudian Slit (64), ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies (642) **5 Votes** **Freudian Slit** (7 #584) Zeriel (512), Red Skeezix (536 593), Drain Bead (545), Tom Scud (561 633), GuiriEnEspaña (568), USCDiver (582), Mental Guy (584) **2 Votes** **Meeko** (2 #540) Tom Scud (534 561), storyteller0910 (540). Mahaloth (571) **Red Skeezix** (2 #590)) peekercpa (526 603), Alka Seltzer (590), Meeko (627) **0 Votes** **Mental Guy** (1 #522) Alka Seltzer (522 590) **Zeriel** **Drain Bead** **Tom Scud** **Alka Seltzer** **peekercpa** **Mahaloth** **Nanook of the North Shore** **ToeJam** **USCDiver** **MHaye** **GuiriEnEspaña** **storyteller0910** **ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies** _Lynch Leader \*\* Not voting:_\* Nanook of the North Shore, ToeJam, DiggitCamara ---
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2009, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/647 "2009-12-16T23:56:01Z")
> [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](#): > > **Vote Diggit** > > Let’s hear a claim already. Cookies, can you expound a little bit on your vote? I assume it is related to this post above: > [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](#): > > At least we are in relative agreement on **Diggit**. I’m willing to let his Day 1 stuff with respect to **peeker** slide as just being wrong on Day 1. But the comment about not giving scum any ideas strikes me as the sort of thing that a Townie might think probably decide not say, and that a scum player might say without thinking. > [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](#): > > NETA: :smack: I mean “But the comment about not giving scum any ideas strikes me as the sort of thing that a Townie might think but probably decide not to say, and that a scum player might say without thinking.” I take it this is now enough rationale for you to place a vote, but it wasn’t when you first posted it. Right now, your vote simply looks like you’re breaking a tie in \*\*Freudian’s \*\*favor. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2009, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/648 "2009-12-17T00:04:52Z")
Would you rather I just not vote where I feel the most suspicion then? I’ve stated a few times why I don’t have much confidence in the case against Freudian, and I can see at least one significant and compelling mark against Diggit. It is compelling enough for me to vote for him. ---
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2009, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/649 "2009-12-17T00:29:32Z")
> [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](#): > > Would you rather I just not vote where I feel the most suspicion then? I’ve stated a few times why I don’t have much confidence in the case against Freudian, and I can see at least one significant and compelling mark against Diggit. It is compelling enough for me to vote for him. No, I think your vote is fine if that’s where your suspicions are, but I just couldn’t find where you spelled out what made you suspicious in the first place. Your vote post was lacking. The best I could find was the post I quoted and I just wanted you to confirm that that was your reasoning or to provide more if that wasn’t it. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2009, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/650 "2009-12-17T00:47:29Z")
Cool beans, I guess I figured the post you quoted had been recent enough. Aside from my anecdotal statement of justification I also just simply agree with the other observations that have already been made about dishing strategy in one post and then chastising other players for strategizing later, and the motivation behind trying to quell such discussion seems more likely to benefit scum than town. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2009, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/651 "2009-12-17T03:22:56Z")
can we just kill diggit and move on? another fish in the boat, woot woot. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2009, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/652 "2009-12-17T04:03:32Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > can we just kill diggit and move on? > > another fish in the boat, woot woot. " another fish in the boat " ? Care to share with the rest of the class, peeker? ---
**Author:** ![MentalGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/439d5e/32.png) [@MentalGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MentalGuy)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2009, 5:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/653 "2009-12-17T05:26:23Z")
Looking back on Freudian’s play, I still think she looks scummy. I have seen similar play, though, from frustrated town players. I can’t really say the same thing about Diggit and since his play seems to have more scum motivation behind it, I will \*\* Unvote Freudian Slit\*\* **Vote DiggitCamara** ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2009, 9:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/654 "2009-12-17T09:41:47Z")
Re: **DiggitCamara** , when he made his last post ([#602](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11891996&postcount=602)) he had received just one vote from **Red Skeezix** and his post was a response to the pokes and accusations received from **Red**. He was active on the board yesterday morning when he had gathered 3 more votes (4 to **Freudian** ’s 5). Since then he’s gone on to get 3 more votes and is the lynch leader (7-4) but he hasn’t been back to respond to any of the votes after **Red** ’s. Very brief WoW of his 9 game-related posts (spoilered): [#196](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11859483&postcount=196) Suggests the Vig should hold off for a couple of nights - “our main advantage lies in numbers”. [#198](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11859542&postcount=198) In response to **Tom** ’s pointing out that previous discussion on the Vig had been held, disagrees that “Night 2” is a good starting point, Vig should hold off till far later - better ratio of scum/town or when info from Cop is available (70 posts later) [#263](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11861124&postcount=263) Random comment about how to recognize **Peeker** when he’s scum due to his behavior always being the same. (63 posts later) [#326](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11868476&postcount=326)Votes **Peeker** of the “main lynch candidates” because he pings the hardest and is incomprehensible. (At this time **Peeker** only has 1 vote from **Pedescribe** while **Pedescribe** and **Freudian** are the two main candidates) (100 posts later) [#426](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11872804&postcount=426) Unvotes **Peeker** to vote **Pedescribe** - agrees with **Tom** that there’s no reason why **Peeker** would make such a claim (132 posts later) [#558](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11886367&postcount=558) Also agrees that the “Night Lynch” suggestion is a bad idea as scum can “play” him to their benefit and can influence Daytime discussion. Suggests that Town RB should hold off as much as possible but at his/her discretion [#592](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11890538&postcount=592)To **Tom** , asks to stop analyzing strategy for scum to avoid giving ideas \* Vote from **Red** [#593](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11890723&postcount=593), “So it’s okay for YOU to analyze strategy during the day, but everyone should keep mum, lest we give scum ideas.”\* [#595](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11891463&postcount=595) Responds to vote “we’re trying too hard to guess what scum will be doing about peeker and while doing so, we might easily give them ideas about him” [#602](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11891996&postcount=602) Second and final response to **Red** - “I only was voicing my discontent at analysis that might optimize Scum’s strategy.” Accepts corrected analysis on risks of Roleblocker hitting the town Cop or Doc. I’d really like to hear something from **Diggit** before Day End - a claim, a response to the votes, a defense - as the simple fact of lurking while gathering votes and accusations is not pro-town but as he apparently hasn’t been active since the case against him started to gather momentum, I’d prefer to hold off on moving my vote for now - realizing that both keeping my vote on **Freudian** and moving my vote to **Diggit** this late in the Day would look equally scummy in the eyes of several people. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2009, 12:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/655 "2009-12-17T12:41:41Z")
**Vote Count** with about 13 hours, and 18 minutes (peak vote in parentheses) **7 Votes** \ ***DiggitCamara** (6 #642) Red Skeezix (593), peekercpa (603), MHaye (606), Tom Scud (633), Freudian Slit (640), ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies (642), MentalGuy (653) **4 Votes** **Freudian Slit** (7 #584) Zeriel (512), Red Skeezix (536 593), Drain Bead (545), Tom Scud (561 633), GuiriEnEspaña (568), USCDiver (582), MentalGuy (584 653) **2 Votes** **Meeko** (2 #540) Tom Scud (534 561), storyteller0910 (540). Mahaloth (571) **Red Skeezix** (2 #590)) peekercpa (526 603), Alka Seltzer (590), Meeko (627) **0 Votes** **MentalGuy** (1 #522) Alka Seltzer (522 590) **Zeriel** **Drain Bead** **Tom Scud** **Alka Seltzer** **peekercpa** **Mahaloth** **Nanook of the North Shore** **ToeJam** **USCDiver** **MHaye** **GuiriEnEspaña** **storyteller0910** **ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies** _Lynch Leader \*\* Not voting:_\* Nanook of the North Shore, ToeJam, DiggitCamara ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2009, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/656 "2009-12-17T13:18:24Z")
I find it somewhat suspicious that **Diggit** is so absent. In these cases, it generally means we’ve found a Scum who has given up, or who wants to cause as much confusion as possible by delaying a roleclaim until late in the Day. Switching my vote is meaningless at this point, so I’m going to sit on my **Freudian** vote until I hear a claim from **Diggit** , after which point I will re-evaulate. ---
**Author:** ![USCDiver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uscdiver/32/354_2.png) [@USCDiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/USCDiver)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2009, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/657 "2009-12-17T13:34:48Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > I find it somewhat suspicious that **Diggit** is so absent. In these cases, it generally means we’ve found a Scum who has given up, or who wants to cause as much confusion as possible by delaying a roleclaim until late in the Day. Switching my vote is meaningless at this point, so I’m going to sit on my **Freudian** vote until I hear a claim from **Diggit** , after which point I will re-evaulate. Y’know, I’ve also seen Vanilla Town act the same way, especially in an open setup. They know a claim of VT is going to be met with skepticism. Still, I’m definitely suspicious of Diggit and don’t object to those who have voted for him, but I’m happy where my vote is now. I’m working from 12p-9p (EST) today, so I’m going to probably miss the end of the Day including any last minute claims. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2009, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/658 "2009-12-17T13:47:46Z")
With the Scum blocker out there, I’d be surprised if Scum didn’t make a claim to try to draw out the Doc or Cop. Unless, of course, **Diggit** IS the Scum blocker. Not sure what the good play for Scum might be there. ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2009, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/659 "2009-12-17T15:51:38Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > I find it somewhat suspicious that **Diggit** is so absent. In these cases, it generally means we’ve found a Scum who has given up, or who wants to cause as much confusion as possible by delaying a roleclaim until late in the Day. Switching my vote is meaningless at this point, so I’m going to sit on my **Freudian** vote until I hear a claim from **Diggit** , after which point I will re-evaulate. Sorry about that. I was at a wedding yesterday so I couldn’t log in much. I’m just a lowly vanilla townfolk, so I don’t think I’m too much of a loss at this juncture (particularly since my ideas don’t seem to be getting much common approval in this game). So: Go Town! ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2009, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/660 "2009-12-17T17:38:45Z")
Eh. My switching still means nothing, so I will keep my vote on the person I still believe to be the scummiest. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729.md?page=32) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729.md?page=34)