# Colorless Mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [December 2, 2009, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729 "2009-12-02T18:21:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 41
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2009, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/801 "2009-12-23T22:44:45Z")
> [@ToeJam](#): > > Just because I asked her about Storyteller does not mean I trust **storyteller**. Hell, if you had bothered to ask me a question, you could have found out that in my personal opinion, \*\*Storyteller \*\*and \*\*Mhaye \*\*are two of three players that should NEVER be alive to endgame just on principle because they’re that damn good at this game. The third being myself of course, but I have an ego to stroke. > Story and Mhaye are two players who I LOVE to play with and admire greatly, but I cannot get a read on them, and the longer the game goes on, the more I wish they were dead. I consider that statement a respectful and honorable statement towards their skill and value at playing the Game- and not a grudge one Mhaye. In fact, I love to know that they are a mason or confirmed roles, but alas, in this game that’s not going to come easily (the mason thing at least). \ just a real quick observation. i made this exact same point in space hijack (i think)regarding **story**. boy, did i get my head handed to me in the unspoiled thread by **sach**. of course, i was scum and wanted the fucker out of the way. while i agree that **story** and **mhaye** can be scary fucks. they typically are the scariest when you are scum. that’s why i’ve never wanted to leave them alive for long if i am not town. so fucking terrible reasoning and conclusion. not so much to warrant a vote but pretty durn close. and yeh, i am voting **mhaye** but that’s because i really think he is scum. his hop onto **dc** just didn’t sit right as well as the post i already referenced. just a personal observation. i’d love to be three handed with the two of them and me confirmed town. they could use all the logic in the world and i’d probably still coin flip it. either that or make them post pics of themselves in ballerina tutus to prove their towniness. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2009, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/802 "2009-12-23T23:13:05Z")
yaknow, i am a dumb bumpkins. in response to the whole what went down at Night. instead of saying i didn’t kill **insert name** i really should have said that i didn’t target **insert name**. now that can mean that i targeted and was blocked or it could mean that i just sat on my ass. just another data point. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2009, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/803 "2009-12-23T23:42:51Z")
> [@ToeJam](#): > > Actually, I wanted simply to hear more from **Guiri**. I like hearing players talk, especially those I don’t have a read on. So sometimes I’ll mix up easy Qs and hard Qs and see what comes up. So you’re saying “I meant to do that” when I ask why you asked a question based on a faulty premise. Whatevs. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2009, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/804 "2009-12-24T02:17:11Z")
Just got home. Mall was like a slaughterhouse, but with slightly less blood and way more screaming. I’m just a little too tired and too frazzled to face substantive participation right now, but I’ll do it in the morning. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2009, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/805 "2009-12-24T20:00:13Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > yaknow, i am a dumb bumpkins. > > in response to the whole what went down at Night. instead of saying i didn’t kill **insert name** i really should have said that i didn’t target **insert name**. > > now that can mean that i targeted and was blocked or it could mean that i just sat on my ass. > > just another data point. I don’t follow Peeker. 1. Are you suggesting that you are not the Vig? Why use the word “target” over “kill” if you are the Vig that we pretty much assume that you are? 2. Why would you want to change what you said, as to be ambiguous on purpose? ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2009, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/806 "2009-12-24T20:09:40Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > I don’t follow Peeker. > > 1. Are you suggesting that you are not the Vig? Why use the word “target” over “kill” if you are the Vig that we pretty much assume that you are? > > 2. Why would you want to change what you said, as to be ambiguous on purpose? sheesh, i’ll type slow. i really don’t want the scum team to know whether i have been sitting on my hands or whether they have been doing something protective. ipso fuckto, i didn’t target either of our Night kills. doesn’t mean jack about whether i got blocked or just fucked off. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2009, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/807 "2009-12-24T20:28:13Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > sheesh, i’ll type slow. > > i really don’t want the scum team to know whether i have been sitting on my hands or whether they have been doing something protective. ipso fuckto, i didn’t target either of our Night kills. doesn’t mean jack about whether i got blocked or just fucked off. By saying you didn’t target the NKs, aren’t you basically implying that you didn’t try to kill anyone? ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2009, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/808 "2009-12-24T20:41:08Z")
> [@Freudian\_Slit](#): > > By saying you didn’t target the NKs, aren’t you basically implying that you didn’t try to kill anyone? bzzzzzzt. nope, wrong. but maybe right. hell i won’t tell. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2009, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/809 "2009-12-24T20:42:16Z")
neta: by saying i didn’t target the NKs i think it is safe to assume that i did not kill them. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2009, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/810 "2009-12-24T20:47:03Z")
Okay, sorry, a little slow here. So clearly the scum killed the NKs and you’re saying you could have targeted someone else but you might have been blocked, or you could have just done nothing. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2009, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/811 "2009-12-24T20:47:09Z")
although this game is very very straight forward. it might be so straightforward as to allow some gaming at this point. if you have a clue you know. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2009, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/812 "2009-12-24T20:51:35Z")
What do you mean by gaming? ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2009, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/813 "2009-12-24T20:51:46Z")
when is a door not a door? when it is a\_ jar. think townies, think. ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2009, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/814 "2009-12-24T21:07:00Z")
> [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](#): > > Mhaye has also been extra crispy quiet… I have no defence, exceptr for a bizarre reaction to this “course” I am on. I come home and fall asleep. Guess I’m more out of tune with the cycle of getting up for work in the morninng than I realised. Somehow, I completely missed your post. My apologies folks. I have a few free days (one fo the reasons I wanted Day 3 to end on Tuesday was that I would have time to re-engage and make some posts. Let’s start with commenting on Peeker’s vote for me - which I also missed. > [@peekercpa](#): > > **mhaye** is one of those folks that plays more town when scum than when he is town. > > i kind of thought, in my twisted little mind, that maybe we caught a big dog. > > but this certainty of the sk makes me go hmmm. > > but even at the end he temporizes. > > and guys/gals i could be totally wrong 'cause i am playing off gut right now. > > vote mhaye. Taking my post as a whole, rather than looking at first one statement then another in isolation, it should be quite clear that I was not certain that Pedescribe was the SK. That was, in my opinion, the most likely probability. I considered, and discussed, other possibilities - including, but not limited to, the possibility that _ **Pede** _ was the Vig and Peeker lying through his teeth. I decided that, irrespective of what Pede was, lynching him was the correct path. That holds even if Pede was the Vig. Also, after Evil Dead, I’ve formed the opinion that as scum it’s not worth lynching a suspected SK until midgame. Two Town by the SK shorten the game by one Day, and for the scum that is a desirable result. It adds extra time pressure to the Town. Thus, if I was scum, I probably would have voted you. _Probably_. More later, after I’ve reread some stuff. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2009, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/815 "2009-12-24T21:24:02Z")
> [@MHaye](#): > > I have no defence, exceptr for a bizarre reaction to this “course” I am on. > > I come home and fall asleep. Guess I’m more out of tune with the cycle of getting up for work in the morninng than I realised. Somehow, I completely missed your post. > > My apologies folks. I have a few free days (one fo the reasons I wanted Day 3 to end on Tuesday was that I would have time to re-engage and make some posts. > > Let’s start with commenting on Peeker’s vote for me - which I also missed. > > Taking my post as a whole, rather than looking at first one statement then another in isolation, it should be quite clear that I was not certain that Pedescribe was the SK. That was, in my opinion, the most likely probability. I considered, and discussed, other possibilities - including, but not limited to, the possibility that _ **Pede** _ was the Vig and Peeker lying through his teeth. I decided that, irrespective of what Pede was, lynching him was the correct path. That holds even if Pede was the Vig. > > Also, after Evil Dead, I’ve formed the opinion that as scum it’s not worth lynching a suspected SK until midgame. Two Town by the SK shorten the game by one Day, and for the scum that is a desirable result. It adds extra time pressure to the Town. Thus, if I was scum, I probably would have voted you. > > _Probably_. > > More later, after I’ve reread some stuff. lynch his ass immediately. ---
**Author:** ![ToeJam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/dfb087/32.png) [@ToeJam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ToeJam)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2009, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/816 "2009-12-24T23:16:28Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > but maybe right. hell i won’t tell. 😃 I read you loud and clear, and i’m fine with you peeks. > [@peekercpa](#): > > \ > > just a real quick observation. i made this exact same point in space hijack (i think)regarding **story**. boy, did i get my head handed to me in the unspoiled thread by **sach**. Actually, when I’m scum I’m LESS scared of Story and not afraid of Mhaye at all, because I’ll KNOW what they are. 😃 And if I’m worried about **Story** , well there’s always Night two, no? What can I say, I love the classics. \*\*Mhaye \*\*just has a steady consistent style (which I recall) as he’s a great town player, and I just happen to always think he’s town, which inherently makes someone suspicious to me. That’s why I hate it if he’s scum, because his original strategy- steady, logical posting, and his late posts/votes are something he does regardless of what he is. Always SO hard to read. Gotta respect both of them for their chops @ Mafia. As for **Sach** - he’s an easy person to manipulate. 😛 He’s too likely to believe in logic and what’s best for scum. All you have to do is be unpredictable to beat him- something I LOVE to do with him. But yeah, fun times to play with these guys again. The kill comment is just because those two are some of the players who I ALWAYS feel so dirty trusting because I always want to trust them, ya know? Just a sign of respect and nothing more should be read into that. > [@peekercpa](#): > > lynch his ass immediately. Always a Great comment to hear from the Vig… 😛 ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2009, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/817 "2009-12-24T23:51:17Z")
**Unvote Freudian** With the extra time and holiday/moving chaos, I need to take a look in a day or two with fresh eyes. I also read **Peeker** loud and clear as to keeping the scum guessing as much as possible, but I’m not yet able to see his case on Mhaye with as much absolutism and vigor. The case has potential but, again, I need to look closer. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2009, 5:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/818 "2009-12-25T05:54:59Z")
> [@MHaye](#): > > **Snipped** > > More later, after I’ve reread some stuff. > [@peekercpa](#): > > lynch his ass immediately. I can’t be the only one wishing that both these guys would finish and or elaborate on these statements, can I? I am about an hour into the 25th myself I doubt we will get the explanation here today. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2009, 5:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/819 "2009-12-25T05:56:19Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > when is a door not a door? > > when it is a\_ jar. > > think townies, think. The cutesy statements are starting to get annoying. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2009, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/820 "2009-12-25T23:04:40Z")
> [@Freudian\_Slit](#): > > The cutesy statements are starting to get annoying. well that is cetainly not the intent. i just know that based on the structure of this game there exists facts certain folks will know and others will not. the statement was intended for those among us who may very well be aware of this. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729.md?page=40) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729.md?page=42)