# Colorless Mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [December 2, 2009, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729 "2009-12-02T18:21:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 54
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2010, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/1061 "2010-01-07T16:34:35Z")
> [@Alka\_Seltzer](#): > > If he is scum, they win if we do nothing about him, and that isn’t a game, it’s a farce. This actually isn’t true - if we kill all of the other scum, and he’s the only one left, we’ll find that suddenly there are no more night kills, and yet the game is still going on. I’m reasonably confident our players will be able to work out the mechanics there. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2010, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/1062 "2010-01-07T16:36:07Z")
(Whatever players are still alive that is). Still braindead; no idea if I’ll be able to write a halfway cogent defense post much less go try and find new scum; frankly, I’ll be no great loss to town if you do lynch me at the moment. (Just check out my stellar contributions to the current idlemafia game, where I’m frigging mod-confirmed Town). ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Skeezix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/aca169/32.png) [@Red\_Skeezix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Skeezix)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2010, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/1063 "2010-01-07T16:41:31Z")
I know my opinion on the matter wasn’t solicited, but if the cop has usable results, and feels ready to claim, they should lead the mass claim. Until that point a mass claim is worthless. And I see no reason for the town roleblocker to lead a claim. If the cop claims and is not counterclaimed and has only town/dead results, I would be amenable to lynching to Nanook, since that would prevent the case of a scum fake claiming cop when Nanook is actually the cop. I think I would do this only if the cop lead the mass claim. Any thoughts? ---
**Author:** ![Alka\_Seltzer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c89c15/32.png) [@Alka\_Seltzer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alka_Seltzer)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2010, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/1064 "2010-01-07T16:47:00Z")
> [@storyteller0910](#): > > I am opposed to a mass claim at the moment. More precisely, I am opposed to a mass claim unless it is led by the power roles themselves. I agree with this as a general principle, but it breaks down in this case if Nanook is in fact a power role. As I said earlier, I’m not in favour of a mass claim toDay either, but we need to make a decision on Nanook. > [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > This actually isn’t true - if we kill all of the other scum, and he’s the only one left, we’ll find that suddenly there are no more night kills, and yet the game is still going on. I’m reasonably confident our players will be able to work out the mechanics there. I hadn’t considered that, but with 1 scum left and Nanook still unknown scum could submit a no-kill. On preview, no Red, I asked everyone for their input on this. I only asked Tom and Story again because they posted without answering. I suggest we hold off on discussing this any further until the mods answer my questions in #1058. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2010, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/1065 "2010-01-07T17:07:16Z")
> [@Alka\_Seltzer](#): > > **Mods: A few questions. What happens if a Cop or Town Blocker does not submit a night action? Does nothing happen or is a random action carried out? Also, how does it work on the scum boards? Does the Scum Blocker or designated killer have to submit the action themselves, or can another scum player submit their action for them?** These questions are answered in post 67. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2010, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/1066 "2010-01-07T17:08:04Z")
> [@Alka\_Seltzer](#): > > If he is scum, they win if we do nothing about him, and that isn’t a game, it’s a farce. > [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > This actually isn’t true - if we kill all of the other scum, and he’s the only one left, we’ll find that suddenly there are no more night kills, and yet the game is still going on. I’m reasonably confident our players will be able to work out the mechanics there. > [@Alka\_Seltzer](#): > > I hadn’t considered that, but with 1 scum left and Nanook still unknown scum could submit a no-kill. Sure, and in a 4-person game that would finish things (in a 3-person game, the scum can win just by night-kill one of the remaining Town). Otherwise, you mislynch Nanook and then go back to hunting for the one last scum - Town is in the same position as if we lynched Nook (and he flipped Town) today. ---
**Author:** ![Alka\_Seltzer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c89c15/32.png) [@Alka\_Seltzer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alka_Seltzer)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2010, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/1067 "2010-01-07T18:00:16Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > These questions are answered in post 67. No random actions then if nothing is submitted. **Sorry Ed, but the rest is ambiguous. It says actions must be PM’ed, but then says scum can submit their actions in the scum thread. Could a scum player submit another player’s action for them?** ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2010, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/1068 "2010-01-07T18:30:21Z")
> [@Alka\_Seltzer](#): > > **Sorry Ed, but the rest is ambiguous. It says actions must be PM’ed, but then says scum can submit their actions in the scum thread. Could a scum player submit another player’s action for them?** It seems pretty clear to me: > [@special\_ed](#): > > I will start the Day as soon as I finish sending out PMs. PMs will be sent out in order of sign up. > > **Roles:** > **Vanilla Town:** **11 In the game** > **Win Condition:** You win when all Scum and the SK are dead. > > **Town Doctor:** > **Win Condition:** You win when all Scum and the SK are dead. > \*\*Power: \*\*Each Night, you may PM us the name of one player to protect. Unless you are blocked, that player will be immune to any Night Kills for that Night. > > **Town Cop:** > \*\*Win Condition: \*\*You win when all Scum and the SK are dead. > \*\*Power: \*\*Each Night, you may PM us the name of one player to investigate. Unless you are blocked, at the start of the following Day, if you survive, you will be told the alignment (i.e., Town or Scum or Neither) of the player you chose to investigate. The exception is that if you investigate the Alpha Scum, you will be told that player is “Town” > > **Town Vigilante:** > **Win Condition:** You win when all Scum and the SK are dead. > **Power:** Each Night, you may PM us the name of one player to kill. Unless you are blocked or that player is protected, that player will die during the Night. > > **Town Roleblocker:** > **Win Condition:** You win when all Scum and the SK are dead. > **Power:** Each Night, you may PM us the name of one player. That player will be prevented from performing any actions for that Night. > > **Alpha Scum:** > **Win Condition:** You win when the number of living Scum players is equal to or greater than the number of living players and the SK is dead. > **Power:** Your power is passive. If investigated by the Town Cop, you will be revealed as being Town. Your power cannot be blocked by a roleblocker. If selected by the Scum, you may perform the Scum Night Kill that Night. > **Scum Communication:** Each Night, you may discuss the game with the other Scum players at XXXXXXXXXXXX. Please register for the site. The password is zzzzzzzz. The other Scum are YYYYYYYYYYYY > > **Scum Goon:** **2 in the Game** > **Win Condition:** You win when the number of living Scum players is equal to or greater than the number of living players and the SK is dead. > **Power:** If selected by the Scum, you may perform the Scum Night Kill that Night. > \*\*Scum Communication:\*\*Each Night, you may discuss the game with the other Scum players at XXXXXXXXXXXX. Please register for the site. The password is zzzzzzzz. The other Scum are YYYYYYYYYYYY > > **Scum Roleblocker:** > **Win Condition:** You win when the number of living Scum players is equal to or greater than the number of living players and the SK is dead. > **Power:** Each Night, you may PM us the name of one player. That player will be prevented from performing any actions for that Night. If selected by the Scum, you may perform the Scum Night Kill that Night, but you may not do that and use your roleblocking power on the same Night. > \*\*Scum Communication:\*\*Each Night, you may discuss the game with the other Scum players at XXXXXXXXXXXX. Please register for the site. The password is zzzzzzzz. The other Scum are YYYYYYYYYYYY. > **Serial Killer:** > \*\*Win Condition: \*\*\*\*\*\*You win when you are alive at the start of a Day and there is at most 1 other player still alive. > **Power:** Each Night, you may PM us the name of one player to kill. Unless you are blocked or that player is protected, they will die that Night. > **Rules:** > > 1. Votes are only counted during the Day phase. Please \*\*Vote \*\*in bold and blue. \*\*Unvote \*\*in bold and red. > > 2. The person with the highest vote count will be lynched. In the event of a tie, the person who had the highest peak amount of votes will be lynched. If that too is tied, the person who reached that highest peak earliest will be lynched. I will make these figures available in my post counts. > > 3. No communication outside of the game thread except for the Scum, who may communicate on the Scum board at Night only. > > 4. No strategy talk at Night in the game thread. Fluff only for the Night. > > 5. Please participate. I will not discuss anyone who is not participating. More than likely, I’ll attempt to get subs until we are into the 2nd Day. After that, I’m likely to do nothing. > > 6. The set-up is straight forward, and I will not be discussing participation. So there should be few questions. I would prefer if you PM’d me questions. > > 7. If you have a Power Role that requires that you send PMs, please send them to Special Ed and Normal Phase. You may send them in advance, but please clearly indicate which Night you want specific action performed. You may change your mind at any point until the end of Night. Scum may post their instructions to me in the Scum thread. > > 8. A specific Scum is selected to perform their Night Kill. Therefore, their Night Kill is blockable. > > 9. Alignment and Role will be revealed immediately upon the death of a player. > > 10. Day and Night ending times will be posted with the message that begins each Day or Night. There will be extreme flexibility with the upcoming holidays. Feel free to express your opinions via PM or in the game thread. Nights will last for 48 hours at the outset, but maybe be shortened later in the game if I get approval from any power roles, the Serial Killer, and the Scum > > 11. There will be a hammering procedure. If a player has 2 more than 50% of the players voting for him, an 18-24 hour countdown timer will begin (depending on the time to make it convenient for the moderators). ---
**Author:** ![Alka\_Seltzer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c89c15/32.png) [@Alka\_Seltzer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alka_Seltzer)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2010, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/1069 "2010-01-07T18:38:03Z")
\*\*Can you just answer the question please Ed? I’ve read it again and it’s still not clear to me. I find it very frustrating to have to deal with inactive players (a previous game I was in was wrecked by inactivity), so I’m trying to make the best of the situation by finding out exactly where we stand.\*\* ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2010, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/1070 "2010-01-07T18:39:25Z")
For the record: If Alka-Seltzer is Scum, then his whole ongoing exchange with Ed is some of the best performacne art I’ve ever seen. I am strongly leaning Town on Alka. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2010, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/1071 "2010-01-07T18:40:38Z")
Performance. Not performacne, which sounds frankly disgusting. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2010, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/1072 "2010-01-07T18:53:03Z")
I’m also curious why you’re only soliciting opinions from Tom and Story, but the fact of the matter is that non-participation just sucks and there is nothing that can be fairly done about it in this set up anymore. I also think that if the Cop is present and playing and has results, he/she should lead a mass claim and I’d be willing to do it either Today or Tomorrow. Meeko: Would you just elaborate on your continually cryptic smear? You’re currently the vote leader, but I don’t want to put you in the noose just for being a cryptic, stubborn, mistaken Townie. Is there something about the statement of mine that you quoted that you find suspicious, or are you agreeing with my self-assessment and the behavior that I described is what you find suspicious? ---
**Author:** ![Alka\_Seltzer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c89c15/32.png) [@Alka\_Seltzer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alka_Seltzer)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2010, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/1073 "2010-01-07T19:01:07Z")
> [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](#): > > I’m also curious why you’re only soliciting opinions from Tom and Story, but the fact of the matter is that non-participation just sucks and there is nothing that can be fairly done about it in this set up anymore. You are doing a Freudian there Cookies, I already clarified to Red that I wasn’t just asking Story and Tom for an opinion on this. I asked them again because they posted without responding. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2010, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/1074 "2010-01-07T20:05:35Z")
> [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](#): > > I > Meeko: Would you just elaborate on your continually cryptic smear? You’re currently the vote leader, but I don’t want to put you in the noose just for being a cryptic, stubborn, mistaken Townie. Is there something about the statement of mine that you quoted that you find suspicious, or are you agreeing with my self-assessment and the behavior that I described is what you find suspicious? The latter, you seem to put a bullseye of sorts on your back. You call attention in general. My vote on story remains because of one specific act. RE: votes on freudian are terrible. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2010, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/1075 "2010-01-07T20:46:45Z")
hey, **alka** read the role for the scum blocker. the way i read it is that the blocker “may” pm the mod with his/her action. so i would take that to mean that a non participating scum rb is just another scum goon. but it could just be the way that i am reading it as well. of course, it also nowhere discusses how the scum kill is communicated to the mod so i guess that also leaves some room for interpretation as well. ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Skeezix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/aca169/32.png) [@Red\_Skeezix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Skeezix)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2010, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/1076 "2010-01-07T20:53:41Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > of course, it also nowhere discusses how the scum kill is communicated to the mod so i guess that also leaves some room for interpretation as well. [QUOTE=Post 67, Rule 7] Scum may post their instructions to me in the Scum thread. [/QUOTE] Not sure what implications that has if any though. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2010, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/1077 "2010-01-07T22:04:13Z")
I’m categorically not “pulling a Freudian”, Alka, and if you think missing one line of clarification in half of a page worth of posts is equivalent to the amount of skimming she was caught doing most of the time she was alive, you’re judgment is highly questionable, at least with respect to me. And I’m not painting a target on my back either, Meeko, I’m acknowledging the opening that my posts about Freudian have provided to the scum, which is just another layer of wifom with them as to whether or not they exploit it or let it ride that there is enough inherent suspicion of me from Townies that exploiting it isn’t necessary, or they’re just concentrating on other players for whatever scummy reason. So far Today, only you and MentalGuy seem to be willing to smear me yet not vote for me. More wifom. Are you just mistaken townies or are one or both of you just trying to see if one of the smears will eventually stick with a critical mass? Who knows. Regarding Nanook, I’m torn. If he’s a power role with intel, lynching him would be a crippling blow to the Town. If he’s a power role with no intel, killing him is equivalent to lynching him would be equivalent to killing a vanilla and the net loss of not getting the potential intel available to his role would be written off as just pure shitty luck. If he’s scum, those advocating putting off his lynch just a little longer start to smell a little funny. To those of you who are not willing to lynch him now, can you justify (or re-justify) why? ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2010, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/1078 "2010-01-07T22:56:54Z")
> [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](#): > > To those of you who are not willing to lynch him now, can you justify (or re-justify) why? Fundamentally, because there are three scum running around, and two of them are participating. Storyteller’s analysis of the gamestate (see post [post=11955423]1021[/post]), which looks right to me, suggests we have three Days to LyLo, provided the town Vig doesn’t hit Town both Nights 5 and 6. (If he does, we lose). There are two situations where I would go down a LtL path, one of which simply does not apply in this game. The first (inapplicable) reason is if the Mod intends to Modkill the inactive player and **not** reveal the player’s alignment and/or role, whereas if the inactive is lynched, that data will be revealed. The second situation is where I have Town reads on all the remaining active players. If you know there is one scum, and have eliminated all bar one player, then you should vote for that player. Right now, with twelve players in the game, three scum among those twelve and two mislynches in hand, I don’t think we should even be considering lynching Nanook Today. Tomorrow will be a new Day with more information; I will reconsider the question then. A mass claim (if it happens) might also change my mind. Additionally, knowing Nanook, his playstyle is to make a small number of posts per Day, but to make those posts informative and useful. If he’s not posting at all, there are real life reasons. Thus I conclude that he’s not lurking (as I use the term) at all. ---
**Author:** ![Alka\_Seltzer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c89c15/32.png) [@Alka\_Seltzer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alka_Seltzer)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2010, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/1079 "2010-01-07T23:44:07Z")
Time for some actual analysis. The stampede of votes away from Freudian on days 2 and 3 is interesting. I looked at the Day 1 votes in #1037 (prior to the scum having a chance to talk to each other). Freudian picked up quite a bit of heat on Day 1 (4 votes, 2 of which are now confirmed town). Scum must have been aware that Freudian was very unlikely to make it to the endgame, the percentage play would be to ensure that a Freudian flip didn’t expose them. Early on Day 2 I floated the idea that Freudian might be a goon setting herself up for a bus (#522). This should have got the scum’s attention at the very least, and might have discouraged them from voting her. The Day 2 votes (thanks for the ultra useful format mods): > [@special\_ed](#): > > **Vote Count** with about 2 hours, and 24 minutes > > (peak vote in parentheses) > > **7 Votes** > \ ***DiggitCamara** (6 #642) Red Skeezix (593), peekercpa (603), MHaye (606), Tom Scud (633), Freudian Slit (640), ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies (642), MentalGuy (653) > > **5 Votes** > **Freudian Slit** (7 #584) Zeriel (512), Red Skeezix (536 593), Drain Bead (545), Tom Scud (561 633), GuiriEnEspaña (568), USCDiver (582), MentalGuy (584 653), ALka Seltzer (665) > > **2 Votes** > **Meeko** (2 #540) Tom Scud (534 561), storyteller0910 (540). Mahaloth (571) > > **1 Vote** > **Red Skeezix** (2 #590)) peekercpa (526 603), Alka Seltzer (590 665), Meeko (627) > > **0 Votes** > … > > **Not voting:** Nanook of the North Shore, ToeJam, DiggitCamara I don’t like Storyteller’s argument that the votes for Freudian were ‘terrible’. Freudian gave us little real content to analyse, and was consistently anti-town in her play. It’s natural to think that anti-town play may have a scum motive, and eventually you have to lynch anti-town players as they are a huge distraction. Story does have a point that scum may have trouble being objective about the cases they make, but scum can easily manufacture good reasons to vote each other. I’m somewhat suspicious of Story because he found a solid reason to vote Freudian (that Zeriel may have been killed because he dropped a cop tell, which implies that Freudian was scum) yet did not do so. **@Storyteller** – I found #765 an odd post, what exactly did you mean by this (bolded)? > [@storyteller0910](#): > > Not at all. I have made that assumption. Assuming I didn’t lose my lunch money on the last bet I made, I’ll bet it again that it’s a good assumption. > > **The Scum would be stupid to do anything else, and Towns have never benefited from expecting the Scum to be stupid.** Day 3 votes: > [@special\_ed](#): > > Final **Vote Count** > (peak vote in parentheses) > > **6 Votes** > \ ***Mahaloth** (6 #921) Tom Scud (728 787 887), Mental Guy (902), GuiriEnEspaña (904), peekercpa (905), Red Skeezix (911), ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies (921) > > **3 Votes** > **MHaye** (5 #856) peekercpa (788 905), Red Skeezix (849 911), Freudian Slit (851), Mahaloth (855), Meeko (856) > > **2 Votes** > **Freudian Slit** (6 #867) Drain Bead (707 891), MentalGuy (761 902), ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies (779 817), Alka Seltzer (835), Tom Scud (859 873), USCDiver (865), GuiriEnEspaña (867 874) > **Tom Scud** (2 #751) ToeJam (737), storyteller0910 (751) > > **1 Vote** > **Red Skeezix** (1 #907) MHaye (907) > > **0 Votes** > **ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies** (2 #790) [COLOR=“Red”]Freudian Slit (733 851)[/COLOR], Meeko (790 856) > **Meeko** (1 #708) Red Skeezix (708 849) > **ToeJam** (1 #716) Tom Scud (716 723 787 859) > **Nanook of the North Shore** (1 #721) Mahaloth (721 855) > **storyteller0910** (1 #770) GuiriEnEspaña (770 867) > > … > > _Lynch Leader > \*\* > Not voting:_\* Nanook of the North Shore, Drain Bead The response to Freudian’s claim was a bit of a shambles, I don’t get why town accepted “I was playing scummily” as an explanation for her play. A pro-town player with a history of being NK’ed might be prepared to take some heat to protect a power role, but not vote-magnet Freudian. Drain ended the day without a vote down. **@Drain** - Who do you suspect right now? I’m not all that convinced by the case against Tom. His votes do look opportunistic, so I’m not willing to give him a pass, but I’m also fairly sure he would realise this if he was scum (and see my thoughts on scum not wanting to be exposed by a Freudian flip). I’d say Tom is unlikely to be a scum power role. **@Tom** - Why did you unvote Freudian when she claimed, what were you thinking? Meeko is hard to read. His play has been better this game, but his votes are not terribly well justified. Rin gave me a bit of a townie read early in the game, despite a bad case on amrussell. I’ve seen her play a similar way as town before, town does need some agitators early in the game to get it moving. #167 caught my eye, where she FOS’ed Ped (a scum-Rin couldn’t have known he was the SK), peeker and ToeJam. Would be a bit reckless of scum to FOS 3 townies and vote another on Day 1. **@Cookies** - Sorry, my comment was meant as tongue-in-cheek. I tried PM’ing Ed, but he’s just quoting #67 back at me. Don’t know why he won’t give me a yes or no answer to my question, but I think we have to assume that the player has to submit the action or kill themselves (which would be fair, as it would make an AWOL scum player as much of a handicap to them as an AWOL townie is to us). More to come, probably tomorrow now. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2010, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/1080 "2010-01-08T00:52:51Z")
I’m REALLY busy lately and haven’t had much time to keep up with the thread. Best answer I have to your question is **Meeko** , **Story** , **Tom** , and a bit of **Cookies** , although I can’t put a finger on why. If one or the other of **Story** or **Tom** is Scum, I doubt the other is. That fight seemed authentic. I was leaning toward **Story** when the Day started (I tend on the side of **Meeko** in their argument, actually, but damned if **Story** doesn’t always make me feel like anyone he’s arguing with is Scum), but he made good points against **Tom**. **Story** is terrifying to have alive this late in the game because of how persuasive he becomes as time goes on. If he’s Scum, he’s like the fucking Pied Piper. If he’s Town and he’s wrong, even worse. And the fact that he’s still alive makes me wonder, you know? Every time I’ve been Scum and he’s been Town, he was one of the first ones nightkilled, and that pattern has played out in a few other games I wasn’t Scum in (or wasn’t in at all) as well. Sorry for the rambling. I posted this as a bit of stream-of-consciousness because I have no time to edit. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729.md?page=53) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729.md?page=55)