# Colorless Mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [December 2, 2009, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729 "2009-12-02T18:21:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 68
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2010, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/1341 "2010-01-18T20:05:21Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > šŸ˜• Where did you get that from? We discussed it in the spoilers. I had originally intended for the roleblockers to not be blockable. The other power roles explicitly state that their powers can be blocked. I do see how the roleblockers PM should lead them to believe that they can be blocked. In the game, anyway, no roleblocker was blocked until Night 6, and even then, it made no difference. So had I enforced the rule the way everyone expected it to be, then the game would have gone the same way. Had anyone asked me, however, and I explained it the way I had initially intended, Red probably would not have been lynched. I struggled with that, and probably would have consulted the spoiled people had a roleblocker blocked a roleblocker. Iā€™m certain they would have talked me into enforcing the block. So, in the end, it was not a factor. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2010, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/1342 "2010-01-18T20:05:56Z")
That sucā€¦ Oh, We won? \*\* Thanks Peeker, We knew we could count on you. šŸ™‚ \*\* I will be back later with a TON of observations. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2010, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/1343 "2010-01-18T20:06:36Z")
> [@Alka\_Seltzer](#): > > Ed, that is hugely frustrating for me, #67 clearly says: > > Town Roleblocker: > Win Condition: You win when all Scum and the SK are dead. > Power: Each Night, you may PM us the name of one player. That player will be prevented from performing any actions for that Night. > > How on earth can that mean that one roleblocker canā€™t block another? > > I do appreciate the time and effort it takes to mod games, and that itā€™s really tricky to get rules posts completely unambiguous, but that doesnā€™t make any sense. You are right, as was pointed out to me. But, like I said, the game actually played out as if the rules you were expecting were actually in placeā€¦so I donā€™t think it was a factor. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2010, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/1344 "2010-01-18T20:07:00Z")
> [@pedescribe](#): > > That was a fun game to watch! Props, Ed and everyone! > > What I canā€™t believe is that no-one, not even the roleblockers realized that the roleblockers couldnā€™t roleblock the other roleblocker. We planned to do that last night. Block Blocker, Kill Killer. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2010, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/1345 "2010-01-18T20:08:04Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > Iā€™m certain if Chronos looked this game over thoroughly, heā€™d throw out his program, as the scum were _more_ likely to vote for other Scum than they were to vote for Town Wow. You had to mention ā€œthe programā€ eh? Agreed though. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2010, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/1346 "2010-01-18T20:11:31Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > Wow. You had to mention ā€œthe programā€ eh? Agreed though. which was the key to the Scum win in this game, IMO. despite the fact that you didnā€™t seem to like having scum vote for other Scum ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2010, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/1347 "2010-01-18T20:11:37Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > Wow. > > Well done, scum. I knew trouble was ahead when the vote moved off Meeko. ā˜¹ And I saw the bright and shining moment to shift my vote, and you guys already cleared it earlier, stating that anyone would move a vote in the name of self preservation. Town or not. The best part? You guys treated me as Godfather, even after that role had no meaning what so ever. * * * And no one commented on my Post count numbers. [Yeah, I know I just made up for it right now. So sue me.] I think this was my best game yet. But It still got to me. _Sorry Skeezix_ ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2010, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/1348 "2010-01-18T20:15:17Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > and knowing that would have saved Red and probably led to Meekoā€™s lynching, but no one ever asked for clarification on that. > Also, Iā€™m sorry for the rules being difficult to understand. I really thought I was pretty clear when I stated them, which is why I never wanted to answer directly. I felt it might be telling if I answered questions. The fact that roleblocker had a rules issue is news to me. You see, I kinda skimmed this game. Because well, you know us scum do that. But seriously, was that why Alka was asking the questions on what happened two nights back? I soooooo did not pick up on that, and I doubt I would have, even if I was Town and paying attention. I see Roleblocker, and I have one set definition of what it does. I wouldnt think to think otherwise. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2010, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/1349 "2010-01-18T20:17:50Z")
> [@storyteller0910](#): > > Soā€¦ uhā€¦ anyone thinking of moderating another one? I really need to wash the taste of my own terrible play out as soon as possible! I have three spots open in my Family Feud / Mafia Hybrid game ā€œDirty Rotten Cheaterā€ over on Idleā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2010, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/1350 "2010-01-18T20:18:47Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > We planned to do that last night. Block Blocker, Kill Killer. It didnā€™t matter who you killed. I think the actual ā€˜optimalā€™ scum move would have been to have Mental Guy kill Alka. That would have eliminated the fear Scum would have had from being ā€˜detectedā€™ by Alka. The Scum should have expected Peeker not to shoot. However, had peeker shot from the unconfirmed pool (no guarantee after Night 5), his possibilities were: 1 out of 6 chance Tom was godfather. 2 out of 5 chance any others were Scum 6.67% chance of hitting Scum 5 out of 6 chance Tom was NOT godfather 3 out of 5 chance any others were Scum 50% chance of hitting Scum So, in reality, peeker had a 57% chance of hitting Scum by shooting into the unconfirmed pool. He just didnā€™t. And he shouldnā€™t have tried, because he wouldnā€™t buy the Town an extra mislynch, theyā€™d still be at lynch or lose at 4-2 (assuming Alka was dead) ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2010, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/1351 "2010-01-18T20:19:49Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > I think this was my best game yet. But It still got to me. _Sorry Skeezix_ No more benefit of the doubt for you. **vote Meeko** ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2010, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/1352 "2010-01-18T20:20:47Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > But seriously, was that why Alka was asking the questions on what happened two nights back? I soooooo did not pick up on that, and I doubt I would have, even if I was Town and paying attention. Because there was no kill on Night 3, the Night he blocked Drain. If you were paying attention in the game thread, Drain tried to kill Alka Seltzer that Night and failed. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2010, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/1353 "2010-01-18T20:21:18Z")
Actually, I think thatā€™s my takeaway from this game; no frigging benefit of the doubt for players with bad track records; if you mislynch you mislynch but I did myself ridiculous amounts of damage by trying to keep Freudian (and Meeko) in perspective. ---
**Author:** ![Alka\_Seltzer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c89c15/32.png) [@Alka\_Seltzer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alka_Seltzer)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2010, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/1354 "2010-01-18T20:22:44Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > You are right, as was pointed out to me. But, like I said, the game actually played out as if the rules you were expecting were actually in placeā€¦so I donā€™t think it was a factor. That simply isnā€™t true Ed, if Iā€™d known that I wouldnā€™t have pushed the Red lynch. Iā€™d have been more likely to claim after blocking Drain if Iā€™d known I couldnā€™t find the scum blocker. I was also thinking I could semi-confirm people if the scum kill went thorugh and Peeker was blocked. You really should have posted a clarification in game. I think the scum team would probably still have won though. Drain was in a pretty good position, and MentalGuy had very little suspicion all game. I also found it very frustrating when you wouldnā€™t answer my questions about scum night actions when we were trying to decide what to do about Nanook. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2010, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/1355 "2010-01-18T20:30:22Z")
> [@Alka\_Seltzer](#): > > That simply isnā€™t true Ed, if Iā€™d known that I wouldnā€™t have pushed the Red lynch. Iā€™d have been more likely to claim after blocking Drain if Iā€™d known I couldnā€™t find the scum blocker. I was also thinking I could semi-confirm people if the scum kill went thorugh and Peeker was blocked. You really should have posted a clarification in game. > > I think the scum team would probably still have won though. Drain was in a pretty good position, and MentalGuy had very little suspicion all game. > > I also found it very frustrating when you wouldnā€™t answer my questions about scum night actions when we were trying to decide what to do about Nanook. No, the game DID play out the way it would have with the rules you expected. I didnā€™t clarify because no one asked, and had they asked, or had the event occurred, Iā€™m pretty certain that he spoiled would have talked me into enforcing the rules as you expected them to be, and as they appeared to be. The only way it would have been an issue would have been if I had clarified them earlier or if a roleblocker on roleblocker interaction had occurred. Because it didnā€™t, the game played out exactly as you expected it toā€¦exactly as it would have if roleblockers could roleblock other roleblockers. Youā€™re stating that the game would have been different if you had known what you assumed to be true wasnā€™t trueā€¦AND that what you assumed to be true should have been true. You canā€™t have it both ways. But, I do apologize for that, even though it had no impact on the outcome. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2010, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/1356 "2010-01-18T20:31:25Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > Actually, I think thatā€™s my takeaway from this game; no frigging benefit of the doubt for players with bad track records; if you mislynch you mislynch but I did myself ridiculous amounts of damage by trying to keep Freudian (and Meeko) in perspective. My takeaway? Vig Meeko Night 1. ---
**Author:** ![Alka\_Seltzer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c89c15/32.png) [@Alka\_Seltzer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alka_Seltzer)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2010, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/1357 "2010-01-18T20:32:10Z")
> [@Alka\_Seltzer](#): > > I was also thinking I could semi-confirm people if the scum kill went thorugh and Peeker was blocked. Just to clarify this, I was hedging my bets somewhat when picking my blocks because of this. ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2010, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/1358 "2010-01-18T20:35:11Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > i mean iā€™ve fucking tried to kill just about everyone in this game and theyā€™ve all been town. how fucking horrible can i be? there should be a new scum role in upcoming games. a town aligned peek vig. fuck probably about a twelve on the jsex formula. > > thatā€™s the pm i sent **ed** last night. > > fuck, i suck as town. > > hangs head in shame. Told you. ---
**Author:** ![ToeJam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/dfb087/32.png) [@ToeJam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ToeJam)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2010, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/1359 "2010-01-18T20:38:42Z")
> [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](#): > > [vindictive outing] > And for fuck sake, ToeJam is Roosh??? Who knewā€¦ > [/vindictive outing] Heh, yeahā€¦ I was really hoping I coulda been a power role and lay low through the game or at least get to Claim \*\*Ro0sh \*\*at some point. But then I had to go and be the first townie in a line of Viggingsā€¦ -So whyā€™d you kill each of the peep you did, **Peeks**? Iā€™m curious as to why me. Also, from reading the scum boards: I found it hilarious that both \*\*Storyteller \*\*and I got suspicion on Day 1 for voting for **Rin** ā€™s odd actions, but Storyteller got all the heat because heā€™s the "experiencedā€™ player while i was just a newbie fingering Rin and probably not as big a threat. šŸ˜ƒ That was my goal precisely, I just wish I had kept up on the Meeksā€“\>Rin wagon. I always give subbed players a Pass when it comes to their roles, and I really shouldnā€™t do that. Not that it mattered, I couldnā€™t really start playing this game until Week 3, and even then that day was over so quick I never got a chance to log in and play- and then I was Vigged off so quickly without a hint or chance of a defense so nothing really I could do except bitch from the sidelines. ---
**Author:** ![Alka\_Seltzer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c89c15/32.png) [@Alka\_Seltzer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alka_Seltzer)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2010, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/1360 "2010-01-18T20:40:09Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > But, I do apologize for that, even though it had no impact on the outcome. Sorry Ed, but the rule as stated in #67 wasnā€™t ambiguous, it was simply wrong. If the rule had been stated corretly Iā€™d have played my game differently. It affected my strategy and caused the Red mis-lynch. Itā€™s unfortunate, but there is nothing that can be done about it now. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729.md?page=67) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729.md?page=69)