# Colorless Mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [December 2, 2009, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729 "2009-12-02T18:21:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2009, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/121 "2009-12-06T19:01:03Z")
and of course **ed** will make sure, i assume. but what i have normally seen is that the instigator of the action is told if it was successful or not. and typically if someone who has a night action is blocked that person is told that their action didn’t work because of [add color]. of course in colorless mafia maybe they are just told that they were blocked. i’ve never seen where an action performed on someone was communicated to the performee except in the above example where that person was actually trying to do something as well and was blocked. i mean, i can’t imagine that in this game the target would get any kind of message of “oh, btw, the doc protected you or the dick investigated you last Night”. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2009, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/122 "2009-12-06T19:04:00Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > **[COLOR=“Green”]Can the roleblocker stop the scum teams kill if he/she blocks the person who does the kill. Can the vigilante or serial killer be stopped by roleblocking?[/COLOR]** Post 67. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2009, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/123 "2009-12-06T19:06:00Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > **Mod, will a player who is roleblocked or doc-protected be told this? (in the case of a roleblock, if the player has not attempted a night action)** no ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Skeezix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/aca169/32.png) [@Red\_Skeezix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Skeezix)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2009, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/124 "2009-12-06T19:10:04Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > no That’s a new one on me. At least it will provide cover for if/when the doc self protects. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2009, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/125 "2009-12-06T19:26:55Z")
I’d be for the role blocker doing something. That way if they role block someone later revealed as scum, they can say I did x on y night, it means something. I don’t think the vig should act until absolutely necessary, but the role blocker’s role is a lot more harmless. Not necessarily all together harmless, but more than the vig. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2009, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/126 "2009-12-06T19:40:56Z")
I also encourage any town roleblocker to follow their hunches, and I honestly don’t mind the vig following hunches either. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2009, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/127 "2009-12-06T19:53:38Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > and now that i think about it a little more maybe it does make sense for an rb to fire away. > > they could either: > > 1. hit a doc - bad only to the extent that said doc happens to be protecting the person that scum are targeting for a kill > > 2. hit a detec - bad > > 3. hit a vig - good if the vig was firing away at a townie, bad if they were firing at a scum > > 4. hit a scum killer - good > > 5. hit a scum rb - good for the most part - really the only way this would be bad would be if the scum rb was targeting a vig or sk that also happened to be targeting a townie > > 6. hit a sk - see 3 > > 7. hit vanilla - who the fuck cares > > did i miss anything? Don’t think so. And the likelihood is almost always vanilla right away. I mean, in pretty much all the games, no one but vanilla gets killed just because there are so many. A vig who gets vanilla is bad, but a RB–makes no difference. It’s a pretty hit or miss role initially. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2009, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/128 "2009-12-06T20:37:19Z")
Hey, I thought we were starting tomorrow for some reason. In, confirming, all that jazz. I think that we should definitely trust our power roles to do what they think is right. If that involves not exercising their power, so be it, but I don’t think we should try to stifle our Blocker and Vig’s judgment one way or the other. Those roles can have drawbacks, but they can also help win the game for us. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2009, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/129 "2009-12-06T20:57:11Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > no This is a boon for us, since it means it will be as hard for the scum team to piece together what happened after a single-kill or no-kill Night as it will be for us. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2009, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/130 "2009-12-06T21:17:53Z")
> [@pedescribe](#): > > This is a boon for us, since it means it will be as hard for the scum team to piece together what happened after a single-kill or no-kill Night as it will be for us. boy, i’m sorry **pede** but you are really starting to ping at full throttle. i couldn’t disagree more strongly. if it’s a single kill scum will know whether their kill went through. if no kill they will know that they were blocked. town on the other hand will be clueless except for some assumptions. scum will be the only folks that will be able to make some sort of definitive conclusion about Night results. absent of course, the vig and the sk who will also obtain data elements. and remember they have an rb. so they will be able to start piecing shit together much quicker than town. shit, dude are you doing this to piss me off so that i vote for you? fcs, you are better than this and so you are confusing me. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2009, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/131 "2009-12-06T21:53:00Z")
and one other fracking administrative item. if a scum false claims anything other than dick could the real town role step up? i mean seriously, a one for one trade in a game with 4 and 1 means that we have some lattitude. and just one other minor detail. can we please kill the fuckers that want to talk about anything exotic. read the freaking lack of color. this is going to be straightforward. so anyone who wants to talk about bs is just obfuscating. lynch them immediately. sersiously if someone goes down the miller discussion route they swing just on principle. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2009, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/132 "2009-12-06T21:57:22Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > sersiously if someone goes down the miller discussion route they swing just on principle. Yeah, I agree with killing the miller. I mean if someone gets IDed as a scum and is all, “Well, I’m not really” and then we end up lynching someone else, we’re very likely to mislynch a townie. I’d rather get the miller out of the way because at least we’re not killing someone helpful (i.e., a doctor or RB or whatnot). ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2009, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/133 "2009-12-06T22:04:24Z")
**Vote Count** with about 4 days, 3 hours and 56 minutes to go 12 Votes required to start Countdown. (peak vote in Parenthesis) **1 Vote** **Pedescribe** (1 #86) ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies (86) **Not Voting** : Mahaloth, Nanook, Tom Scud, Drain Bead, Freudian Slit, pedescribe, ToeJam, USCDiver, peekercpa, DiggitCamara, storyteller, Ichini Sanshigo, Red Skeezix, Zeriel, MHaye, amrussel, Rin Twisted, GuiriEnEspaña, Mental Guy ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Skeezix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/aca169/32.png) [@Red\_Skeezix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Skeezix)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2009, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/134 "2009-12-06T22:09:41Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > boy, i’m sorry **pede** but you are really starting to ping at full throttle. > > i couldn’t disagree more strongly. if it’s a single kill scum will know whether their kill went through. if no kill they will know that they were blocked. town on the other hand will be clueless except for some assumptions. scum will be the only folks that will be able to make some sort of definitive conclusion about Night results. absent of course, the vig and the sk who will also obtain data elements. > > and remember they have an rb. so they will be able to start piecing shit together much quicker than town. > > shit, dude are you doing this to piss me off so that i vote for you? > > fcs, you are better than this and so you are confusing me. Underlining added. The scum/sk will not know if they were blocked or the target was protected. (Or at least that’s how I read that “no”). Town will of course be clueless about someone who doesn’t die. But the target will be indistinguishable to town from all the other people that didn’t die that night. Having scum know if they were roleblocked would provide more info than if they just know that their target did not die. In short, **they can’t know more from less data**. Of course scum will be piecing things together faster than town, they have more data at the onset, and realistically since there are no masons and this is an open game they don’t have much to piece together. Just a couple of roles, really. I have to wonder however, if this mischaracterization is deliberate? On preview: @peeker: I disagree with your second comment. A counterclaim IMO, should be made at the players discretion depending on the context of the game. A general policy that can be easily gamed, would be wasting our power roles for naught. @freudian slit: There is no miller. This is an open game. If anyone claims miller, then they are lying, or this game is gastard, which at this time I see no reason it should be that way. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2009, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/135 "2009-12-06T22:09:57Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > Yes, and it counts as a “search” I believe, so you have to wait 3 minutes to do it again. > > I have nothing to base any vote on at this point, but I think we need to be sure about our roleblocker’s power. > > Forgive me if this is foolish or if it was stated, but I have to ask. > > **[COLOR=“Green”].Can the roleblocker stop the scum teams kill if he/she blocks the person who does the kill. Can the vigilante or serial killer be stopped by roleblocking?[/COLOR]** ok, this is too something or another. huh? wtf? you are kidding me, right? did you read the stinking setup? i mean it’s one thing to look like “helpful townie” (aka known as **tom scud** ) but sheesh even this one goes over the line. i mean, maybe you are sleep deprived or something but “… can the role blocker stop the scum teams kill… Can the vigilante or serial killer be stopped by roleblocking?” what the fuck about roleblock do you not understand? shit, youv’e been a mod so christ on a biscuit what the hell? seriously, it’s a **role blocker** not a stinking offensive lineman that misses an assignment. **vote mahadada**. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2009, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/136 "2009-12-06T22:14:14Z")
**skeez** they will know if they were blocked by either a doc or an rb ffs. what else would they assume? oh shoot, the mod just decided not to let it go through? ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2009, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/137 "2009-12-06T22:15:32Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > i’ve never seen where an action performed on someone was communicated to the performee except in the above example where that person was actually trying to do something as well and was blocked. i mean, i can’t imagine that in this game the target would get any kind of message of “oh, btw, the doc protected you or the dick investigated you last Night”. Well, Ed has spoken, but in the Weird Wild West game there were 2 prostitute role blockers (1 town, 1 scum) who both gave a message “you had a wonderful night” or something like that, regardless of whether the person was blocked. Also, I’ve definitely seen docs with “you feel healed” messages - Crimson Glyph had a scum doc who did that. Anyway, would have been nice for purposes of confirming people, but we’ll have to live without it. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2009, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/138 "2009-12-06T22:17:12Z")
> [@Freudian\_Slit](#): > > Yeah, I agree with killing the miller. I mean if someone gets IDed as a scum and is all, “Well, I’m not really” and then we end up lynching someone else, we’re very likely to mislynch a townie. I’d rather get the miller out of the way because at least we’re not killing someone helpful (i.e., a doctor or RB or whatnot). there is no miller in this game unless the mods are lying. why the fuck would we talk about that which there is no possibility is my point. i mean it might be fruitful to discuss the living conditions in darfur but that really doesn’t impact the current game goal. kill the scum and sk. anyone who wants to talk about something else is just filling space. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2009, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/139 "2009-12-06T22:17:41Z")
NETA … regardless of whether the person had taken an action that was blocked… ---
**Author:** ![Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc8723/32.png) [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nanook_of_the_North_Shore)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2009, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729/140 "2009-12-06T22:20:42Z")
If there’s one or no kills, the scum won’t know any more than us. Yeah they’ll know they got roleblocked or were stopped by a doc block or doubled up with the vig/SK, but so what? We’ll know that too. They won’t know which one, and neither will we. THat’s his point. It’s interesting that you’re being so aggressive in that regard. Oh and i got my role. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/colorless-mafia/519729.md?page=8)