# Columbus Day v Indigenous People's Day v Leif Erikson Day

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**Category:** Great Debates\
**Created:** [October 11, 2021, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/columbus-day-v-indigenous-peoples-day-v-leif-erikson-day/952323 "2021-10-11T21:56:49Z")\
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**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\
**Post date:** [November 10, 2021, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/columbus-day-v-indigenous-peoples-day-v-leif-erikson-day/952323/371 "2021-11-10T16:52:40Z")

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> [@thorny\_locust](#):
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> That is just plain not true. (Maybe it is in, say, Japan. That I don’t know. But it is most certainly not true in the USA.)

And yet another USA poster has said it _is_ true. Why should I believe you over them (and my own experiences of US culture)?.

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> Because people buy Christmas presents doesn’t mean they’re not also celebrating a religious holiday.

If they’re not _also_ engaging in actual religious activities, then it does.

And if they only engage in minor religious activities and a lot more secular activities, then the holiday is still secular.

> [@Max\_S](#):
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> I am not actually saying that.

🙄  
Do you see a moral difference between an oppressor and a resister to oppression, yes or no?

> [@Max\_S](#):
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> Indigenous People’s day celebrates a people/culture.

…and their _history_.

> [@Max\_S](#):
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> I didn’t write that

I know that. You can tell because it’s not presented as a quote.

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> and don’t believe it.

You _just_ believe that if they don’t identify with Europeans, they don’t share the same national identity as Americans who do…  
I fail to see the distinction. What is American “national identity”, if not that supposedly singular identity that defines a real American? If two people, one identifying with Europeans and one not, both have national identities, either one (or possibly both) must not have _the singular_ national identity. Or else you’ll have to admit that multiple national identities are in fact the reality.

> [@Religious/Secular holidays in America (mostly Christmas, split from the Columbus Day thread)](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/religious-secular-holidays-in-america-mostly-christmas-split-from-the-columbus-day-thread/954138/54):
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> How tautological of you.

I’m not right _because I’m right_. I’m right because that’s what the reality of tree toppers is. No amount of fear of accidentally getting Christian cooties from them is going to change that.

> [@Religious/Secular holidays in America (mostly Christmas, split from the Columbus Day thread)](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/religious-secular-holidays-in-america-mostly-christmas-split-from-the-columbus-day-thread/954138/54):
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> I don’t buy what they peddle, and I don’t buy what you peddle, either.

No addressing of your mapping of “worship” onto “oppression”, there, so I’m not exactly concerned about what you’re buying or not.

> [@Max\_S](#):
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> if B thinks I belong to a different nation, but I think B and I belong to the same nation

The issue here is you have outright said B and you _don’t_ share a national identity. _B_ is the one who thinks they belong to the same nation as you.

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