# Comfort Crap, Chick Tracks, and CBN - oh my! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 2, 2009, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comfort-crap-chick-tracks-and-cbn-oh-my/516086 "2009-11-02T19:04:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![pythonzzz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9e8a1a/32.png) [@pythonzzz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pythonzzz)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2009, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comfort-crap-chick-tracks-and-cbn-oh-my/516086/1 "2009-11-02T19:04:39Z")
Wow, it seems like those kind and loving Real, True, Christians are working overtime to save our heathen souls from eternal damnation… Pat Robertson’s CBN printed then pulled the following on the evilness of Halloween: [The Danger of Celebrating Halloween](http://74.125.93.132/search?q=cache:tpp4ipDgs2IJ:www.cbn.com/spirituallife/onlinediscipleship/halloween/halloween_danger_daniels.aspx+Christian+Broadcasting+Network%E2%80%99s+Web+site,+writer+Kimberly+Daniels&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a) > [@](#): > > For example, most of the candy sold during this season has been dedicated and prayed over by witches. > [@](#): > > The danger of Halloween is not in the scary things we see but in the secret, wicked, cruel activities that go on behind the scenes. These activities include: > > Sex with demons > Orgies between animals and humans > Animal and human sacrifices > Sacrificing babies to shed innocent blood > Rape and molestation of adults, children and babies > Revel nights > Conjuring of demons and casting of spells > Release of “time-released” curses against the innocent and the ignorant. Damn, all I did for Halloween this year was watch “Young Frankenstein” on DVD 'cause I never got invited to an orgy ☹ Or Jack Chick and his newest tract already pitted: [“It’s Not Your Fault”](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=538257) And Rayturd Comfort’s latest screed of stupidity: > [@](#): > > A National Outcry > > We live in what many call “the age of tolerance.” Never before has a generation been so sensitive to the ethnicity, the sexual diversity of people groups, or the beliefs and concerns of others. This is a generation that not only cares about animals, about smoke-free zones and the general environment, they care about people. > > Can you imagine the outcry if a university (under the guise of freedom of speech) allowed students to have a “Black Day International Event,” where white students, with the blessing of authorities, spent the day chalking the sidewalks with the “n” word and other racial slurs? There would be a national outcry. Or imagine if a university condoned a “Gay Day International Event,” where students were free to write slurs about homosexuals. Such would be deemed “hate speech,” have severe repercussions, and make national news. > > Early in October of 2009, the University of Northern Iowa allowed a group of atheist students who saw themselves as “Freethinkers,” host a “Blasphemy Day International event.” This was a day that they said was “devoted to the defense of free speech and blasphemy.” They spent the day chalking blasphemous messages and sexually perverted cartoons depicting Jesus. Their president said, “There was a lot of kind of lowbrow chalking, I would guess, and there was some profanity. While that’s not what I chalked, and that’s not something I would chalk, I definitely support our members chalking whatever they want to chalk, because it was a day to protect free speech.” > > I’m not concerned about the childish acts of the atheists. What concerns me is the blatant hypocrisy of the university in allowing such juvenile behavior. I’m concerned, but not surprised. What other totally laughable, poorly executed performances, and completly fucked-up bullshit (yeah, redundant) from self-prolaimed “True Christians” have you found lately to toss into the Pit? ---
**Author:** ![wierdaaron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/eada6e/32.png) [@wierdaaron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wierdaaron)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2009, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comfort-crap-chick-tracks-and-cbn-oh-my/516086/2 "2009-11-02T19:57:51Z")
I swear I just saw the same cat walk past the door twice. ---
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2009, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comfort-crap-chick-tracks-and-cbn-oh-my/516086/3 "2009-11-02T20:24:21Z")
I find it a touch uncomfortable to be defending Ray Comfort, but I can’t help but wonder why **Python** included that particular screed. Ray has said a lot of crazy and stupid things, but this time he is actually making sense. Hate speech is speech that targets a group based on race, creed, sex, sexual orientation, or religion. The atheists held a blatant anti-Christian rally (c’mon, how is a sexual cartoon of Jesus anything but an attack on Christianity?), and then claimed they were just exercising free speech. That’s what the Klan always says about their rallies. Sure, the atheists can have their “blasphemy day”, just as the Klan can have their events, but perhaps it shouldn’t be on campus. Again, Ray has said _a lot_ of stupid shit, but he has a point here. Would the University have allowed anti-muslim students to chalk pornographic pictures of Mohamed on the sidewalk? As to Pat Robertson and CBN, _chuckle_, I can’t shake the image of the three witches from Macbeth chanting incantations over a cauldron of fun sized snickers bars. “double, double, toil and trouble. Chocolate, nougat, peanuts rumble” ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2009, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comfort-crap-chick-tracks-and-cbn-oh-my/516086/4 "2009-11-02T20:35:25Z")
> [@pythonzzz](#): > > Release of “time-released” curses against the innocent and **the ignorant**. Those “time-released curses” must be slow, seeing as how Pat Robertson and his enterprises are still alive. ---
**Author:** ![pythonzzz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9e8a1a/32.png) [@pythonzzz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pythonzzz)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2009, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comfort-crap-chick-tracks-and-cbn-oh-my/516086/5 "2009-11-02T21:24:57Z")
\*\*A Monkey With a Gun \*\* - This was just his lastest post (11-2-09) and he also has added a post script: > [@](#): > > Post Script: The atheist’s typical response to this post is: “The difference here is that blasphemy is a victimless crime.” But that is not true. The blasphemer is the victim: > > “You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain. For the Lord will not hold him guilty who takes His name in vain.” > > Blasphemers are victims of their own willful ignorance. They are guilty of a most serious crime against God and unless they repent they will be punished to the full extent, despite their unbelief. Ray produces heaps of inflamatory hate-speech, fabricated lies and generalizations about “typical” actions taken by labeled groups such as atheists, ‘Moslems’(his spelling), homosexuals, and ‘darwinists’. Just don’t direct it back to Christians!! They are soooo innocent and oppressed by everyone and haven’t done _anything_ wrong! Ever! It’s a free country, I respect your right to defend this scrawny-assed, peabrained, motherfuc…er, bananna molesting, Kirk-squicking, hypocritical, napoleonistic, homophobic, Dawkins-bashing, PZphobic, misogynistic, [insert insult or fruit of choice], lying, peewee Kiwi. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2009, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comfort-crap-chick-tracks-and-cbn-oh-my/516086/6 "2009-11-02T21:36:30Z")
So who sets up the orgies, animals or humans? Or do they alternate years? ---
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2009, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comfort-crap-chick-tracks-and-cbn-oh-my/516086/7 "2009-11-02T21:54:31Z")
> [@pythonzzz](#): > > Ray produces heaps of inflamatory hate-speech, fabricated lies and generalizations about “typical” actions taken by labeled groups such as atheists, ‘Moslems’(his spelling), homosexuals, and ‘darwinists’. So why didn’t you quote from some of that? There’s oceans of that shit. I don’t want to defend the asshole, but you picked the one quote from the guy I have a hard time disagreeing with. As much as it pains me to say, he is actually right about the University of Northern Iowa. You just should have picked something better. “the University’s policy is hypocritical” is not even in the same galaxy of crazy as CBN’s satanic candy and “time released” curses. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2009, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comfort-crap-chick-tracks-and-cbn-oh-my/516086/8 "2009-11-02T22:36:49Z")
> [@A Monkey With a Gun](#): > > Hate speech is speech that targets a group based on race, creed, sex, sexual orientation, or religion. The atheists held a blatant anti-Christian rally (c’mon, how is a sexual cartoon of Jesus anything but an attack on Christianity?), and then claimed they were just exercising free speech. That’s what the Klan always says about their rallies. Except for the little detail that they are complaining about the race people are born as, which is not something you choose. You do choose to be religious. And race has nothing to do with behavior or belief; religion does. Race and religion are not similar at all. Would you complain about people holding an anti-fascist rally and drawing insulting pictures of Hitler? Would you compare them to the Klan? Since when has condemning or mocking a belief system been “hate speech?” It’s very convenient for the believers that they get to label criticism or mockery of their pet delusion “hate speech”. Especially since EVERY day is bash-the-unbelievers day. Somehow it’s not hate speech when you insult or threaten atheists and agnostics. ---
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2009, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comfort-crap-chick-tracks-and-cbn-oh-my/516086/9 "2009-11-02T22:53:33Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Since when has condemning or mocking a belief system been “hate speech?” [France](http://gone-hollywood.com/2008/04/brigitte-bardot-fined-23000-inciting-hatred/) sees to think it is. We are not as draconion here in the U.S. but our anti-discrimination laws **do** equate race and religion as things you can’t discriminate against. In addition, Judaism is a religion and some Jews made the choice to convert to it. Does that make antisemitism O.K., **red shirt**? ---
**Author:** ![Plynck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Plynck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plynck)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2009, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comfort-crap-chick-tracks-and-cbn-oh-my/516086/10 "2009-11-02T22:54:49Z")
> [@Steve\_MB](#): > > Those “time-released curses” must be slow, seeing as how Pat Robertson and his enterprises are still alive. It’s really the only safe way to do it. Some people grind up and snort their time release curses all at once, and end up with a cursing monkey on their backs. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2009, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comfort-crap-chick-tracks-and-cbn-oh-my/516086/11 "2009-11-02T23:03:08Z")
> [@A Monkey With a Gun](#): > > In addition, Judaism is a religion and some Jews made the choice to convert to it. Does that make antisemitism O.K., **red shirt**? Define antisemitism. Is criticizing aspects of the Jewish belief system anti-Semitic? Criticism of Israel? If I say that belief in God is stupid, am I being anti-Semitic? That’s insulting their religion, after all. What about someone who opposes circumcision as immoral? Are they anti-Semitic? That is also a criticism of them. How about a Jew who says that Judaism is silly and becomes an atheist? Is he antisemitic? Judaism the belief system and Jews the ethnic group/culture aren’t the same thing. Are you going to call people who criticise the Aztecs for torture and human sacrifice bigots too? How about people who bash Scientology? Or is it only popular, powerful religions we aren’t allowed to criticize? ---
**Author:** ![appleciders](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85f322/32.png) [@appleciders](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/appleciders)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2009, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comfort-crap-chick-tracks-and-cbn-oh-my/516086/12 "2009-11-02T23:08:16Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Except for the little detail that they are complaining about the race people are born as, which is not something you choose. You do choose to be religious. And race has nothing to do with behavior or belief; religion does. Race and religion are not similar at all. > > Would you complain about people holding an anti-fascist rally and drawing insulting pictures of Hitler? Would you compare them to the Klan? Since when has condemning or mocking a belief system been “hate speech?” > > It’s very convenient for the believers that they get to label criticism or mockery of their pet delusion “hate speech”. Especially since EVERY day is bash-the-unbelievers day. Somehow it’s not hate speech when you insult or threaten atheists and agnostics. Look, just because atheists are, in some cases, a persecuted minority in America doesn’t make it right for atheists to attack believers. Rather than approach this from an eye-for-an-eye point of view, why can’t BOTH sides just live and let live? Your demand that it be acceptable for atheists to attack Christians, but wrong for Christians to attack atheists is just as bigoted as the Christians you’re opposing. Oh, and Pat Robertson’s always good for a laugh. What’s a “revel night”? And besides, you said you’d oppose an anti-black Klan rally. Would you likewise oppose an anti-Jewish Klan rally? ---
**Author:** ![Tapioca\_Dextrin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Tapioca\_Dextrin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tapioca_Dextrin)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2009, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comfort-crap-chick-tracks-and-cbn-oh-my/516086/13 "2009-11-02T23:16:29Z")
> [@wierdaaron](#): > > I swear I just saw the same cat walk past the door twice. Siamese? ---
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2009, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comfort-crap-chick-tracks-and-cbn-oh-my/516086/14 "2009-11-02T23:17:26Z")
**red shirt** , O.K., forget the anti-semitism thing. How about you address [the Canadian Hate Speech Code](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech_laws_in_Canada) > [@Canadian Law](#): > > The Code defines an “identifiable group” as "any section of the public distinguished by colour, race, **religion** , ethnic origin or sexual orientation. condemning a religion is hate speech according to Canadian law, French law, and numerous others. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2009, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comfort-crap-chick-tracks-and-cbn-oh-my/516086/15 "2009-11-02T23:18:46Z")
> [@appleciders](#): > > Rather than approach this from an eye-for-an-eye point of view, why can’t BOTH sides just live and let live? Because that is not how Christians think. They’ve never been willing to live and let live; that is exactly why they are such a powerful and widespread religion. > [@appleciders](#): > > Your demand that it be acceptable for atheists to attack Christians, but wrong for Christians to attack atheists is just as bigoted as the Christians you’re opposing. That presupposes that the two sides have equal arguments for their positions, which is untrue. The truth isn’t hate speech; and there are a great many insulting truths about Christianity. > [@appleciders](#): > > And besides, you said you’d oppose an anti-black Klan rally. Would you likewise oppose an anti-Jewish Klan rally? Considering _ **why** _ they’d be holding such a rally, yes. How much of what people like that believe about Jews even has a basis in reality? Truths, even insulting truths may not be hate speech; but insulting lies are. That I feel is one of the most important distinctions between speech which is hate speech, and that which is not: is it true? Whether it is hateful is secondary, because there are many things that deserve hatred. It is not hate speech to condemn the Aztec as murderous for engaging in human sacrifice, because they really did; it IS hate speech to accuse the Jews of using the blood of unbaptized infants in their ceremonies, because they don’t. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2009, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comfort-crap-chick-tracks-and-cbn-oh-my/516086/16 "2009-11-02T23:19:57Z")
> [@A Monkey With a Gun](#): > > **red shirt** , O.K., forget the anti-semitism thing. How about you address [the Canadian Hate Speech Code](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech_laws_in_Canada)condemning a religion is hate speech according to Canadian law, French law, and numerous others. \< shrugs \> In that case I disagree with the law. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2009, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comfort-crap-chick-tracks-and-cbn-oh-my/516086/17 "2009-11-02T23:26:47Z")
I went to a Wiccan Samhain celebration on Saturday night and there was **none** of that stuff Robertson was ranting about! ☹ Maybe I should convert to Satanism . . . ---
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2009, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comfort-crap-chick-tracks-and-cbn-oh-my/516086/18 "2009-11-02T23:52:44Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > \< shrugs \> In that case I disagree with the law. “Hate Speech” is a legal term. You can’t just ignore the meaning of the phrase when it has already been defined. You asked "Since when has condemning or mocking a belief system been “hate speech?” I answered the question, and yet you continue to ignore the facts in front of you, because doing otherwise would conflict with your own hatred. ---
**Author:** ![kidneyfailure](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/9f8e36/32.png) [@kidneyfailure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidneyfailure)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2009, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comfort-crap-chick-tracks-and-cbn-oh-my/516086/19 "2009-11-02T23:53:49Z")
> [@pythonzzz](#): > > Damn, all I did for Halloween this year was watch “Young Frankenstein” on DVD 'cause I never got invited to an orgy ☹ The animal and baby sacrifices this year were awesome, dude! Too bad you missed out, tough shit for you! There’s always next year, though… ---
**Author:** ![Grumman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/43a26b/32.png) [@Grumman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grumman)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2009, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comfort-crap-chick-tracks-and-cbn-oh-my/516086/20 "2009-11-03T00:16:18Z")
> [@A Monkey With a Gun](#): > > Hate speech is speech that targets a group based on race, creed, sex, sexual orientation, or religion. No matter what the UNHRC or the Canadian government thinks, religion is not more worthy of protection than other beliefs and ideas. Religion should be treated just like any other incorrect belief. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comfort-crap-chick-tracks-and-cbn-oh-my/516086.md?page=2)