# Comic Con "zombies" attack deaf family's car **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [July 28, 2014, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comic-con-zombies-attack-deaf-familys-car/694240 "2014-07-28T14:09:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![AClockworkMelon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aclockworkmelon/32/10803_2.png) [@AClockworkMelon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AClockworkMelon)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2014, 7:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comic-con-zombies-attack-deaf-familys-car/694240/21 "2014-07-29T07:32:22Z")
> [@GrumpyBunny](#): > > My thoughts exactly. Wouldn’t you know something was up if you saw a bunch of people dressed as zombies, Batman, Darth Whomever, and Stormtroopers? > > Or to put it in a less politically correct way – The family is deaf, not from another planet. Are you saying they were… Deaf and dumb? /sunglasses YEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2014, 11:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comic-con-zombies-attack-deaf-familys-car/694240/22 "2014-07-29T11:38:47Z")
> [@Rick](#): > > In California pedestrians are like Garbaldi fish. Just posting to point out that, in California, “the pedestrian always has the right of way” is malarkey–“folk wisdom”, if you will. The pedestrian doesn’t always have the right of way in that state. Come to think of it, I’ve lived in many jurisdictions around the world and the pedestrian doesn’t automatically have the right of way in any of them. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2014, 11:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comic-con-zombies-attack-deaf-familys-car/694240/23 "2014-07-29T11:41:47Z")
> [@gazpacho](#): > > According to the UT article the Zombie parade is not an official part of Comic Con but is instead an ad hock thing. Zombies got loogies? ---
**Author:** ![NinjaChick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/71c47a/32.png) [@NinjaChick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NinjaChick)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2014, 12:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comic-con-zombies-attack-deaf-familys-car/694240/24 "2014-07-29T12:52:24Z")
Looks like the, uh, “zombies” [didn’t](http://www.deadline.com/2014/07/comic-con-hit-and-run-zombie-march/) have a permit (implying to me that the roads were not closed to car traffic), and were not any sort of official, organized thing but just a bunch of knuckleheads hanging out in the street. Pedestrians generally have the right of way in marked and/or signaled pedestrian crossings and not otherwise; I’m willing to bet that they don’t have the right of way to just stand around obstructing traffic. On the other hand, you don’t get people out of your way by driving through them. It looks to me like there’s an awful lot of fault to go around. ---
**Author:** ![Doctor\_Jackson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doctor_jackson/32/32_2.png) [@Doctor\_Jackson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doctor_Jackson)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2014, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comic-con-zombies-attack-deaf-familys-car/694240/25 "2014-07-29T13:20:50Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Just posting to point out that, in California, “the pedestrian always has the right of way” is malarkey–“folk wisdom”, if you will. The pedestrian doesn’t always have the right of way in that state. Come to think of it, I’ve lived in many jurisdictions around the world and the pedestrian doesn’t automatically have the right of way in any of them. In Georgia [pedestrian right-of-way is real](http://www.gahighwaysafety.org/campaigns/pedestrian-safety/pedestrian-safety/what-the-ga-codes-says-about-pedestrians/), at least within a crosswalk: > [@](#): > > (a) The driver of a vehicle shall stop and remain stopped to allow a pedestrian to cross the roadway within a crosswalk when the pedestrian is upon the half of the roadway upon which the vehicle is traveling, or when the pedestrian is approaching and is within one lane of the half of the roadway on which the vehicle is traveling or onto which it is turning. For the purposes of this subsection, “half of the roadway” means all traffic lanes carrying traffic in one direction of travel. > > In other words, it’s illegal for drivers to squeeze by, drive around or cut off a pedestrian in a crosswalk, even if there’s room. Forget yield. Remember STOP. A crosswalk exists at most intersections, whether marked as such or not. Outside of a cross walk it’s a bit more iffy. ---
**Author:** ![NinjaChick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/71c47a/32.png) [@NinjaChick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NinjaChick)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2014, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comic-con-zombies-attack-deaf-familys-car/694240/26 "2014-07-29T13:46:58Z")
> [@Doctor\_Jackson](#): > > In Georgia [pedestrian right-of-way is real](http://www.gahighwaysafety.org/campaigns/pedestrian-safety/pedestrian-safety/what-the-ga-codes-says-about-pedestrians/), at least within a crosswalk: > A crosswalk exists at most intersections, whether marked as such or not. Outside of a cross walk it’s a bit more iffy. How do you have an unmarked crosswalk? ---
**Author:** ![buddy431](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6a8cbe/32.png) [@buddy431](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/buddy431)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2014, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comic-con-zombies-attack-deaf-familys-car/694240/27 "2014-07-29T14:31:25Z")
> [@NinjaChick](#): > > How do you have an unmarked crosswalk? A judge decides that someone hit was in an unmarked crosswalk, and hold the driver liable. In seriousness, I think it depends on the state. In Illinois, it is generally any place where a [sidewalk continues onto a road](http://gridchicago.com/2012/what-is-an-unmarked-crosswalk/). However, there was a recent [court ruling](http://chi.streetsblog.org/2013/05/08/state-court-ruling-may-weaken-protections-for-walking-in-un-marked-crosswalks/) that appears to erode that definition somewhat. In that case, frankly, I sort of agree with the assessment that the driver shouldn’t be punished: The pedestrian was crossing a wide arterial street at an intersection from a side street with stop signs onto the artery (but others disagree, obviously). In California, the rule for “unmarked crosswalks” is similar, basically from the corners of intersections with sidewalks. However [it is generally legal](http://www.meaforensic.com/jaywalking-and-unmarked-crosswalks/) to cross outside of a crosswalk (yielding to traffic). ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2014, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comic-con-zombies-attack-deaf-familys-car/694240/28 "2014-07-29T14:31:52Z")
> [@Doctor\_Jackson](#): > > In Georgia [pedestrian right-of-way is real](http://www.gahighwaysafety.org/campaigns/pedestrian-safety/pedestrian-safety/what-the-ga-codes-says-about-pedestrians/), at least within a crosswalk: > A crosswalk exists at most intersections, whether marked as such or not. Outside of a cross walk it’s a bit more iffy. Who said it wasn’t real? Did you not notice where I said the automatic right of way for pedestrians doesn’t exist, the commonly-held assumption that a pedestrian always has a right of way regardless of the pedestrian’s jaywalking doesn’t exist. Plus: see the last sentence in **buddy431** ’s post above. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2014, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comic-con-zombies-attack-deaf-familys-car/694240/29 "2014-07-29T14:33:39Z")
> [@NinjaChick](#): > > How do you have an unmarked crosswalk? IIRC, in California the term for the appropriate place to be crossing at an intersection that doesn’t have a marked crosswalk is “implied crosswalk”. ---
**Author:** ![doreen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/858c86/32.png) [@doreen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doreen)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2014, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comic-con-zombies-attack-deaf-familys-car/694240/30 "2014-07-29T14:44:05Z")
> [@NinjaChick](#): > > How do you have an unmarked crosswalk? NYC Traffic Rules > [@](#): > > Crosswalk. > (i) Marked crosswalk. That part of a roadway defined by two parallel lines or highlighted by a > pattern of lines (perpendicular, parallel or diagonal used either separately or in combination) > that is intended to guide pedestrians into proper crossing paths. > (ii) Unmarked crosswalk. That part of a roadway, other than a marked crosswalk, which is > included within the extensions of the sidewalk lines between opposite sides of the roadway at > an intersection, provided that (A) the roadway crosses through the intersection rather than > ending at the intersection, and/or (B) all traffic on the opposing roadway is controlled by a > traffic control device. ``` Lots of smaller intersections have unmarked crosswalks and it's even more common for one street ( the one with a stop sign) to have a marked crosswalk while the other does not. ``` ---
**Author:** ![NinjaChick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/71c47a/32.png) [@NinjaChick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NinjaChick)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2014, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comic-con-zombies-attack-deaf-familys-car/694240/31 "2014-07-30T04:08:25Z")
Huh. I’ve learned something. I always assumed a crosswalk had to be delineated by some sort of visual marker. ---
**Author:** ![Ruken](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f475e1/32.png) [@Ruken](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ruken)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2014, 11:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comic-con-zombies-attack-deaf-familys-car/694240/32 "2014-07-30T11:24:53Z")
In most states no one ever _has_ the right of way; the law may require you to yield it. And it usually requires a driver to yield to a pedestrian even if the pedestrian is crossing illegally. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2014, 11:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comic-con-zombies-attack-deaf-familys-car/694240/33 "2014-07-30T11:33:05Z")
> [@buddy431](#): > > Who had the right of way? Were people crossing the street, or milling in the street? Was it at a crosswalk? > [@OldGuy](#): > > It’s completely irrelevant who had the right of way. You don’t purposely plow down people in the street. > [@buddy431](#): > > It won’t be irrelevant in the inevitable court cases and insurance claims. > [@aceplace57](#): > > Wouldn’t a parade permit override normal road rights? That’s the point of a parade. The road use is reserved for a special event… > > Assuming of course a parade permit was applied for and granted. Right of way will not be relevant when a driver intentionally drives through a crowd. It doesn’t matter why the crowd is there or whether they have permission to do what they’re doing. ---
**Author:** ![Doctor\_Jackson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doctor_jackson/32/32_2.png) [@Doctor\_Jackson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doctor_Jackson)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2014, 12:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comic-con-zombies-attack-deaf-familys-car/694240/34 "2014-07-30T12:47:17Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Who said it wasn’t real? Did you not notice where I said the automatic right of way for pedestrians doesn’t exist, the commonly-held assumption that a pedestrian always has a right of way regardless of the pedestrian’s jaywalking doesn’t exist. You said: > [@Monty](#): > > Just posting to point out that, in California, “the pedestrian always has the right of way” is malarkey–“folk wisdom”, if you will. The pedestrian doesn’t always have the right of way in that state. Come to think of it, I’ve lived in many jurisdictions around the world and the pedestrian doesn’t automatically have the right of way in any of them. > [@I respondd:Doctor Jackson](#): > > In Georgia [pedestrian right-of-way is real](http://www.gahighwaysafety.org/campaigns/pedestrian-safety/pedestrian-safety/what-the-ga-codes-says-about-pedestrians/), at least within a crosswalk: To recap: You - In CA pedestrian right of way is malarky Me - In GA, pedestrian right of way is codified Not sure what you’re so upset about. My post in no way refuted anything you said. ---
**Author:** ![TellMeI\_mNotCrazy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tellmei_mnotcrazy/32/3419_2.png) [@TellMeI\_mNotCrazy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TellMeI_mNotCrazy)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2014, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comic-con-zombies-attack-deaf-familys-car/694240/35 "2014-07-30T13:42:53Z")
Monty says automatic pedestrian right of way outside of a crosswalk is malarkey. You say pedestrian right of way in a crosswalk, marked or otherwise, is codified. ---
**Author:** ![Ruken](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f475e1/32.png) [@Ruken](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ruken)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2014, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comic-con-zombies-attack-deaf-familys-car/694240/36 "2014-07-30T14:00:28Z")
The malarky or lack thereof, is of course, irrelevant. A driver may not deliberately drive through pedestrians. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2014, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comic-con-zombies-attack-deaf-familys-car/694240/37 "2014-07-30T14:07:20Z")
> [@Ruken](#): > > The malarky or lack thereof, is of course, irrelevant. A driver may not deliberately drive through pedestrians. unless they are - in fact - zombies. ---
**Author:** ![Sr\_Siete](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6de8d8/32.png) [@Sr\_Siete](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sr_Siete)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2014, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comic-con-zombies-attack-deaf-familys-car/694240/38 "2014-07-30T14:09:52Z")
> [@simster](#): > > unless they are - in fact - zombies. Mmh. It’s Vitality-Challenged People, if you don’t mind. ---
**Author:** ![Ruken](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f475e1/32.png) [@Ruken](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ruken)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2014, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comic-con-zombies-attack-deaf-familys-car/694240/39 "2014-07-30T14:31:39Z")
Hasn’t the zombie rights act been passed in CA? ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2014, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comic-con-zombies-attack-deaf-familys-car/694240/40 "2014-07-30T16:11:25Z")
> [@Ruken](#): > > Hasn’t the zombie rights act been passed in CA? That or MA are the most likely first state to do so. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comic-con-zombies-attack-deaf-familys-car/694240.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comic-con-zombies-attack-deaf-familys-car/694240.md?page=3)